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June 08, 2013, 05:46:23 PM
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But, all this Data is collected by government agencies. Do you really think the same guys that mess up every single project they touch are even capable to put all this data to use?

I know for a fact that this data is being used by people who shouldn't have access to it (ie. buddies of guys who are authorized to access it). One sociopath even uses it to stalk porn stars.
legendary
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June 08, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
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I wouldn't worry so much about this. Yes, the Government(s) is (are) watching. They probably try to get as much Data on every single person as legally(?) possible.

But, all this Data is collected by government agencies. Do you really think the same guys that mess up every single project they touch are even capable to put all this data to use?

There is not very much to worry about, not because they respect your freedom (which they don't) but because government paid lazy bureaucrats are to incompetent to use this data.

Also every government funded agency always grows and grows, gets more expensive and continuously inefficient. Now they start all this projects and in 10 - 15 years we will see headlines like this in the press:

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Government internet surveillance costs the Taxpayer 30 Billion the year and has not stopped a single terrorist act


Also watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVaodJQmnRc
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June 08, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
#11
PGP. OTR. Bitcoin.

Everything (not just meta data) is archived, so they can just go back and crack PGP at their leisure.
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June 08, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
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The government largely is a bunch of lazy ass pension seekers. Go to the dmv if you want to see government in action. The governments of the world cant keep people feed.. they screwed up and let the people get the internet uncensored.. there are open drug markets online if they cant stop that how are they going to do shit about anything. It is just a matter of time. Governments of the world are not going to get stronger they are going to shrink to the point that no one cares what they do. Every bit of wealth held in digital currency or gold or silver is a nail in the coffin of the state.
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June 08, 2013, 04:34:27 PM
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It's not the governments that will be your ruin. It's your curious neighbors, people you pissed off, corporations, marketers, social networks, criminals, crooks, malicious types, perverts, gossip spreaders, blackmailers, and identity thieves. Your privacy is gone, and it's not the government that's taking it.
I did not know that FBI and NSA all are thieves, criminals, crooks, perverts and blacmailers.

The average gangbanger and drug dealer are not trying to pass laws of backdoors and data retention. It is FBI CIA NSA and learned elders of zionism who are behind all this mass surveillance and nanny state.
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If you're a normal person, then nothing you do is interesting. If the algorithms cough up something that it thought was interesting, then the people look at it. Then, again, if you're normal (i.e not some Boston bomber), then the person dismisses it.
Did that prevented Boston bombings? Did that stopped Breivik. No. And realistically it would not. And that is not even the true purpose of such surveillance. Total control and elimination of all dissent is what this surveillance is all about. With such total control no revolution or deviaton from official party ideology will be possible. Every single rebellion could be identified and crushed in early stages. Even before the rebels would start thinking about disobeying their supreme leaders.
Even though such control gives security, it still seems kind of frightening to me.
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June 08, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
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It's not the governments that will be your ruin. It's your curious neighbors, people you pissed off, corporations, marketers, social networks, criminals, crooks, malicious types, perverts, gossip spreaders, blackmailers, and identity thieves. Your privacy is gone, and it's not the government that's taking it.
I did not know that FBI and NSA all are thieves, criminals, crooks, perverts and blacmailers.

The average gangbanger and drug dealer are not trying to pass laws of backdoors and data retention. It is FBI CIA NSA and learned elders of zionism who are behind all this mass surveillance and nanny state.
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If you're a normal person, then nothing you do is interesting. If the algorithms cough up something that it thought was interesting, then the people look at it. Then, again, if you're normal (i.e not some Boston bomber), then the person dismisses it.
Did that prevented Boston bombings? Did that stopped Breivik. No. And realistically it would not. And that is not even the true purpose of such surveillance. Total control and elimination of all dissent is what this surveillance is all about. With such total control no revolution or deviaton from official party ideology will be possible. Every single rebellion could be identified and crushed in early stages. Even before the rebels would start thinking about disobeying their supreme leaders.
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June 08, 2013, 11:33:10 AM
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I'm so scared.

It's not the governments that will be your ruin. It's your curious neighbors, people you pissed off, corporations, marketers, social networks, criminals, crooks, malicious types, perverts, gossip spreaders, blackmailers, and identity thieves. Your privacy is gone, and it's not the government that's taking it.

What about when governments install CCTV cameras outside your house? I don't want them to know exactly when I arrive/leave my house, so they're invading my privacy. I'm not saying they're the worst, but they still belong on the list.

The NSA, and other organizations, are composed of two things: databases and people. The people don't know you, nor do they care about you. The databases are harddrives. The people don't actually look at the harddrives until something happens, or the harddrive coughs up something interesting.

If you're a normal person, then nothing you do is interesting. If the algorithms cough up something that it thought was interesting, then the people look at it. Then, again, if you're normal (i.e not some Boston bomber), then the person dismisses it.

In the end, what the NSA, or other organizations collect are bits which do nothing.

Furthermore, and this is very important, if they're collecting massive amounts of data on everyone, then it stands to reason that you're not special. Just go on about your life.

However, perverts, blackmailers, people you've wronged, tweeters, identity thieves, and neighbors have a different modus operandi. They have you in their sights, and then take action to collect data on you. Those are the ones you should be worried about.
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June 08, 2013, 03:11:01 AM
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I'm so scared.

It's not the governments that will be your ruin. It's your curious neighbors, people you pissed off, corporations, marketers, social networks, criminals, crooks, malicious types, perverts, gossip spreaders, blackmailers, and identity thieves. Your privacy is gone, and it's not the government that's taking it.

What about when governments install CCTV cameras outside your house? I don't want them to know exactly when I arrive/leave my house, so they're invading my privacy. I'm not saying they're the worst, but they still belong on the list.
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June 08, 2013, 01:38:10 AM
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Governments are watching.

I'm so scared.

It's not the governments that will be your ruin. It's your curious neighbors, people you pissed off, corporations, marketers, social networks, criminals, crooks, malicious types, perverts, gossip spreaders, blackmailers, and identity thieves. Your privacy is gone, and it's not the government that's taking it.
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June 08, 2013, 01:06:59 AM
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A major is people's browsing habits. They don't care if someone sees what they put online because they think "why would they care about me?". People care more about efficiency and ease of use than their privacy/security. It's only going to get worse as the younger generations get older, we're having this notion of sharing forced upon us wherever we go. The governments are only going to have to do a quick search when they want to know everything about someone because all this information is in the public domain.
legendary
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June 08, 2013, 12:26:43 AM
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Governments are Watching
I see dead people! And black helicopters!
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What methods if any do you prefer to use to avoid this form of stalking
Freenet for file sharing and uncensored discussion.
TorChat for encrypted IM - the best available in terms of privacy and secrecy.
Tor for browsing sensitive information and using it's Socks5 proxy and .onion land.
Good old SSL/TLS for secrecy of transmitted data contents.

Many other possibilities.

The problem is not new ways of spying. Most of that already was possible with court warrant and current technology. The problem is that now even more and more people are spied upon without them committing any crimes and without any warrant or other justification. The western world government are fucked up and beyond and must be discarded and replaced like used diaper.
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June 08, 2013, 12:20:52 AM
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PGP. OTR. Bitcoin.
legendary
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June 08, 2013, 12:11:09 AM
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So with the announcements of the US secret projects on monitoring internet conversations, phone records and other things with agreement over multiple forms of media. What methods if any do you prefer to use to avoid this form of stalking Smiley

http://www.vice.com/read/privacys-public-death
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