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legendary
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February 19, 2018, 07:57:17 AM
#44
Hi,

I both agree and disagree with you.

I agree with you when you say that it is the good time to buy. Indeed, with low prices, potential profits are higher. If you are able to wait long enough, you may be able to make sizeable profits.

But I strongly disagree when you talk about government manipulation. I don't say that it doesn't exist at all, but.. I think that most government members are old. They are not ready to bet on such technology. They may see it as a threat, but not as a source of profits.

I may be naive, though! Wink
newbie
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February 19, 2018, 04:36:05 AM
#43
Governments control the Fiat currencies. They use central banks to manage money holdings, using so-called monetary policy. They also determine how remittances need to be implemented, which allows them to monitor the movement of the currency, and also dictate who benefits from this movement, collect taxes from it, and track criminal activities. But all this control is lost when non-governmental organizations devise their currency.

Control over the currency has many different hidden currents, especially in the framework of the fiscal policy of the country, the business environment, and, of course, crime control.
legendary
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February 14, 2018, 10:32:41 AM
#42
You realize that this would mean going against the law.
Filing their pockets in this fashion leads to some nasty punishments.
From a few decades in prison to a bullet in the head on a stadium in China.

And don't get me started with politicians that get away, here we have thousands of them in prison for bribery.
It's far to risky than simply do a bit of lobby and speeches around the country

The problem with this model is that they take risks, enormous risks.
Let's say Germany starts the FUD. They fill their pockets but next day they wake up and see that half of Europe has done the same and cryptos are 1/10 of the value. Do you really think they would risk their own money is such a scheme?

I'm not talking about other countries but India, the country where I live in as well as familiar with the same. Here, I've not seen these guys doing anything but spreading a lot of FUD by not giving straight statements like Bitcoin is illegal, but they say that it is not legal. Now tell me, what are they exactly trying to convey? Still, an enormous amount of stupid fellas show up by trying to create panic in the markets by throwing air to those "literally spoken illiterate words" and fear spreads. Who wins? Those who are in the wait of gaining these coins for least values.

Coming to the bold part, why do you think that it's a scheme itself? This is what they're also saying about Bitcoins, that it's a ponzi.

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Now, if you say that they do this for personal gains, then there is no "government" in this equation.
You should have said politicians. Not the government body.
Some politicians do this to buy bitcoins, that would be far more appropriate to the scheme your presenting.

I believe you're correct in this sense, but in the end, they're the ones running the government, and as the saying goes - A single sheep infects the whole flock.

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I really want to hear your opinion on this, in terms of percentages, how many do you think are interested in the technology and how many on grabbing 1 cent coins worth a million in a month?

To me, this forum helps a lot of people understand Bitcoins better, or at least try to - if they are really willing to. But if we talk about %s, I believe that not more than 10% of the forum members are even completely clear to Lightning Network and many newer concepts which are very greatly explained over their website as well as online articles are also available on this. But, who cares?
As well, people who're here to make a buck in bitcoins and wait for some time to convert that buck x times are 90% IMHO.
member
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February 13, 2018, 12:15:16 PM
#41
Yes because they have the resources and are using it to extract as much profit as they can from the people.
hero member
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February 12, 2018, 03:53:32 AM
#40
As we can see that after the overwhelming 2017 when bitcoin and alts used to rock everybody with the enormous returns that they gave, everything relevant to this caught the eyes of many Governments and bitcoin also got considered as a matter of topic to be discussed about, in many official meetings held by these governments. The way these people came up with their so-called negative comments and some very sophisticated, yet confusing statements that bitcoin is ponzi and we will not give it the position of a legal tender - made every bitcoiner think that they'll actually ban it. And such mess created a lot of panic in markets where only sells took place.

When people are looking it as a matter of worry, I think that Governments just tried to create panic in markets to purchase Bitcoins themselves at these cheaper values, and once the chaos gets settled, the value will bounce to such a level where small investors won't be able to buy Bitcoins. What do you think? Do you agree with what I think? I think buying at current rates when some "fools" are selling it is the best option to earn great profits this year alone as Investors are predicting that bitcoin may go to $25000 during mid-2018.
Regarding your comments, I would like to say that governments can not directly buy or sell cyrpto currencies even how they are accounting it if they do not legalise it but the intellegence or speacial governmental agencies can, otherwise it is not that easy to do by the governments trade on them.
member
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February 12, 2018, 03:33:09 AM
#39
While I am also with the idea that cryptos are to a certain extent decentralized and are independent of the governments, the truth is that the governments have a lot of leeway if they want to interfere in the natural movements of cryptos. This will lead us to conclude that governments can, in one way or another, manipulate the crypto economy. There are so many alibis the governments can use in doing it. For example, they will claim that they will look into possible tax liabilities, or about it highly being used for fraud or illegal transactions, or perhaps they are just protecting the welfare of its citizens in investing in it, and so on.
the only proof we have currently is North Korea (best Korea) trying to, and having success hacking South Korea and Japan's exchanges. There have been several articles about it. Also, coins like nano and tron which are Chinese coins are not private business enterprises. The Chinese government has its hand in all major Chinese bussiness. That is why we pay was not allowed to buy western union. I think some of the smaller, poorer corrupt countries will pose a prob in this regard as well. The US government has allowed the CME and CBOE and now the Nasdaq in on the unregulated crypto market so they are definitely happy with a new revenue source. Plus the nickels and dimes they get from us. I'm still befuddled as to I will handle my crypto tax
hero member
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February 12, 2018, 03:11:04 AM
#38
As we can see that after the overwhelming 2017 when bitcoin and alts used to rock everybody with the enormous returns that they gave, everything relevant to this caught the eyes of many Governments and bitcoin also got considered as a matter of topic to be discussed about, in many official meetings held by these governments. The way these people came up with their so-called negative comments and some very sophisticated, yet confusing statements that bitcoin is ponzi and we will not give it the position of a legal tender - made every bitcoiner think that they'll actually ban it. And such mess created a lot of panic in markets where only sells took place.

When people are looking it as a matter of worry, I think that Governments just tried to create panic in markets to purchase Bitcoins themselves at these cheaper values, and once the chaos gets settled, the value will bounce to such a level where small investors won't be able to buy Bitcoins. What do you think? Do you agree with what I think? I think buying at current rates when some "fools" are selling it is the best option to earn great profits this year alone as Investors are predicting that bitcoin may go to $25000 during mid-2018.

While I appreciate or do not dscredit the fact that I there might be a plausible chance for people to feel that some governments might be trying to manipulate the cryptocurrency stock depending on what would suit them. However, I still think that there might be a small chance that this isn’t likely because of how decentralized bitcoin currency is.
sr. member
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February 12, 2018, 02:59:17 AM
#37
While I am also with the idea that cryptos are to a certain extent decentralized and are independent of the governments, the truth is that the governments have a lot of leeway if they want to interfere in the natural movements of cryptos. This will lead us to conclude that governments can, in one way or another, manipulate the crypto economy. There are so many alibis the governments can use in doing it. For example, they will claim that they will look into possible tax liabilities, or about it highly being used for fraud or illegal transactions, or perhaps they are just protecting the welfare of its citizens in investing in it, and so on.
jr. member
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February 12, 2018, 02:57:36 AM
#36
Government  has power  to manipulate  and control  the crypto currency market, through news release related to fear of bitcoin banned  or regulations.

I do not know whether all this restrictions where manipulations, but they influenced the crypto market very much.
member
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February 12, 2018, 02:50:25 AM
#35
The US alone is 20 trillion in debt. Btc to them is nothing. Tax revenue sure, I guess it's possible they could move crypto to fund black ops but history shows they like to deal cocaine and weapons to fund slush funds. Public ledgers wouldn't interest them
full member
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February 12, 2018, 02:41:30 AM
#34
Because that's where they are good at. Telling their people that they are safe but they are ensuring their own families full protection when there's bad situations like terrorism is happening so whether it's true or not, it is expected.
sr. member
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February 12, 2018, 01:43:53 AM
#33
As we can see that after the overwhelming 2017 when bitcoin and alts used to rock everybody with the enormous returns that they gave, everything relevant to this caught the eyes of many Governments and bitcoin also got considered as a matter of topic to be discussed about, in many official meetings held by these governments. The way these people came up with their so-called negative comments and some very sophisticated, yet confusing statements that bitcoin is ponzi and we will not give it the position of a legal tender - made every bitcoiner think that they'll actually ban it. And such mess created a lot of panic in markets where only sells took place.

When people are looking it as a matter of worry, I think that Governments just tried to create panic in markets to purchase Bitcoins themselves at these cheaper values, and once the chaos gets settled, the value will bounce to such a level where small investors won't be able to buy Bitcoins. What do you think? Do you agree with what I think? I think buying at current rates when some "fools" are selling it is the best option to earn great profits this year alone as Investors are predicting that bitcoin may go to $25000 during mid-2018.

Yeap, it is not very good scenario, but I am almost sure, that some people are manipulating with the market and try to influence the price, in order to get benefit.
full member
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February 12, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
#32
i also have to wonder if north korea meddles with bitcoin also because it is well known that they have a quite advanced elite hacking division in there military. Every time i see an exchange got hacked like the one in Japan recently that springs to my mind. But that aside i agree with you, i am not selling i am holding at least 1 btc just in case that scenario eventuates
sr. member
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February 11, 2018, 11:17:50 PM
#31
I don't think governments are manipulating the crypto currencies,since it is a decentralized economy but they are trying to control it in the name of regulation,blah,blah.But still no one can control it,if prople want to use it they can but only the price may fall if more governments restricts the bitcoin.
member
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February 11, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
#30
Every government has the power to manipulate the flow of money. There is no assurance that they will be able to provide the price for each of cryptocurrency. It is still by chance, if there are so many buyers, then they might decrease the price, and then if there are no buyers, they will make the price high.
newbie
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February 11, 2018, 10:15:21 PM
#29
I think there is a possibility.

The government does not do these things by itself, they buy and sell digital money through the consortium they control!

Because of the hidden nature of digital currency, people have no way to find the direction of digital currency.
member
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February 11, 2018, 09:42:10 PM
#28
I don't agree that governments are manipulating the price of bitcoin, but I do believe in something much much worse. Governments can easily ban bitcoin, so it is not a real threat.

Instead, governments plan to let the cryptocurrency craze create a bunch of useful blockchain technology. They will use the blockchain to record every single transaction you make and tax you accordingly. They can analyze the data for money laundering or if they find you purchased something that wasn't government approved. Ledger technology is the government's wet dream. Why would they try to stop it?

member
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February 11, 2018, 08:49:53 PM
#27
In 2013 it was public knowledge that the us government controlled 8o% of bitcoin , controlled meaning they held 80%.Why , becasue they are the inventor of bitcoin as the russian reporter said and was laughed at by the deceived people.The CIA created bitcoin, that is why it is good to invest in it.They will only grow this thing becasue it is their creation to control and spy on people finances like they can not do with cash
hero member
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February 11, 2018, 08:24:39 PM
#26
Government  has power  to manipulate  and control  the crypto currency market, through news release related to fear of bitcoin banned  or regulations.
They don't have that much power over Bitcoin. Average people might think that they do though the average person is the one holding the coins.

I think indirect government can manipulate the price of cryptocurrency dude. you can see a tremendous impact on the cryptocurrency market when all governments in some countries are compact to ban cryptocurrency. and after that the cryptocurrency market becomes crazy and messed up. maybe will give a good effect to the market when the government wants to legalize cryptocurrency.
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February 11, 2018, 07:43:06 PM
#25
I really agree with your opinion, I also think that way, it's just a game of government drama to shake up the bitcoin price and lower the bitcoin price to fall in the cheap price, and it is also true that this is a very good opportunity to buy and hold up to the price reaches the peak go month, i'm sure it's all.
All this FUD'S will gone soon. Governments should react like that so bitcoin will dump and ofcourse after many FUD news they will reverse the situation and to think they are buying on dips so better to buy on dips before it pump.
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