Topic: GPU MINING PRIMECOIN (Read 4312 times)
Forget ASICs for primecoin. I mine at 50'000 pps with my rebuilt Zuse Z3:
Anyone up for a Z3? Groupbuy?
Anyone up for a Z3? Groupbuy?
Amazingly enough, 50MHz TI SPARC processors, long thought dead as nails by everyone but me and the CDE crew are PERFECT for XPM, you just need a cluster:
+1 for OpenBSD stickers. I ran my companies firewalls of it for 10+ years. Never had a single problem.
i already tried my best to persuade conman, (his nick is conman) who is the lead dev for cgminer to add primecoin support.
Here is the IRC Log:
conman can you add primecoin please
no
why?
no more coin support, I regret adding litecoin support
how come, not enough donations?
it's a maintenance burden and supports something I don't really care about
i understand, it is something you don't benifit much from i guess.
conman, your Con Kolivas?
yes I am
nice to meet you
be careful he is a conman
though I happen to be travelling in Europe at the moment so can't really do anything for another 5 weeks
thanks
litepool, if I were to support another coin, it would be done as a standalone fork for a large fee and I probably would not keep the code in mainline cgminer any more
you may or may not know I added scrypt support for 100BTC
conman, why not support it, "test" mine and collect quiet a lot of coins before the next person
and have a fair share in that coin
because I'm here not for profit only but because I support bitcoin as a concept
you just said you want money
I'm not here to mine the most profitable spin off
no, I want bitcoin, and that helps the bitcoin economy too
because you pay me in bitcoin
there's a big difference
i don't understand, You can take the capita out of the alt coin by exchanging it for bitcoin anyway conman
it is pretty strait forward
that directly supports the altcoin chains
which I dont want to do
it doesn't really, you empty the buy walls
and take the capita/buying power out
especially with something simple as prime.ccp
well I say this at regular intervals but if you really want me to
i think you can use the same methodology
altcoins are for butthurt miners who missed out on early mining on bitcoin and fail to impress in any other way to me
You can think of it that way, but some offer a fair advantage over bitcoin. It just makes bitcoin supporters look "buthert" whilst they can't accept another coin to exist alongside
so yeah you can pay me to code on something I dont care about, but not in altcoin currency
They see it as a threat
all you may do is delay it, but i wouldn't miss the opportunity if i were you
nah it's not a thread, the bitcoin cosmos is far too big to give a fuck about them
threat*
for me it's effort wasted on something I could be spending better time on, but I can be paid to work on something for sure
ok what i was trying to say conman is, if you want to benifit from it you can use this as an advantage, as long as you don't plan on doing any malicious attacks it seems pretty fair. There are no GPU Miners for primecoin yet, only cpu https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin/blob/master/src/prime.cpp and https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin/blob/master/src/prime.h
as you already done scrypt, i believe you can use a similiar method to implement prime
litepool, while the prospect of making a lot by being the first miner is mildly appealing, it's not at all what drives me
I'm one of the few "miners" that doesn't need any of the profit I make off mining, I'm here because I support the bitcoin concept
Yes thats the disadvantages to the GPU. However, we are working on durability, and those are just preliminary speeds, in two week ill be able to come up with the proper configuration of board to fpga.
hmm
Alpha will you open source your work
Alpha, normally I'd support hardware if I was given access to it if the hardware itself is quite profitable , or was paid a fee for it
publicise
conman, we would like to work with you yes
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Any place we can talk privately, via e-mail?
sure but as I said, I'm on holiday
my email is in the cgminer readme
Okay, enjoy your holidays. We are a few weeks off in development anyway so itll be good timing
Alpha, note that quite a few btc asic manufacturers are expected to start having development boards soon so if they come first I will be prioritising them
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however we know from experience that there are always delays
Yes, its a very long process getting ASIC's made.
I just wish they wouldn't make a mess of the final part
decent fpga, interface, buffers, queues, callbacks etc
I think BFL especially, should have just taken batch orders
the avalon is such a steaming pile of crap in design
but they were first, nothing can take that away...
They are far too many orders, and i dont think they can fulfill them. And they are the most legitimate
bfl's design is half decent but they're just hopeless
So yes i agree
a year late is ridiculous
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though there's a combination of fail and planned lateness as well
A LOT of people have profited from their pre-orders though, including myself.
heh
anyway I don't mind making my opinions known in the main channel even if you're not planning on negotiating here
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if it's a lowly performing device, I'd rather get sponsored to work on it than just be given the device as payment
Conman, i assure you everything will be high performing. Its not like the other litecoin fpga's being developed by 2 people, we have electronic engineers and software engineers with 5+ years of experience
I state 500-800 but thats the minimum speed requirement. What's more important is at what cost we can get to that speed per unit, if its siginificantly lower then we can amp it up. Or even sell it as that becuase people can then stack up on them. As i know not everyone has 1000s to spend on per unit. Which could arise the matter of having more than 1 unit down the line
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But considering what profits we are aiming towards. We would rather have you both sponsored and also be given the device anyway as a complimentary
lol using a guy named conman to vouch for the validity of your product, only in crypto...
illpoet, I believe conman is the developer of CGMINER
alpha: no i know, i'd trust his judgement/opinion im just saying its ironic
lol
right, I earn my trust, I don't expect people to trust me based on a stupid IRC handle
and I'm brutally honest if I don't like something
like ltc mining
that was pure mercenary work
Anyway, i know its early, but follow us on https://twitter.com/ukalpha , itll keep you up to date on progress so far, and when more info will be launched on our website along with video/images of the prototype.
no offense, but won't be following
I have a billion things trying to take my focus
once there's something to work on, I'll be on it like a piranha
Okay understood as your a developer. It was for the onlookers/miners
nod
and as a vague indication, for paid (non btc) work, I charge $155/hr
Not looking for followers at the moment if i was i would put the post on bitcoin forum. I believe we need to showcase a cost efficient working product before giving out claims.
Okay Conman, that sounds perfect, with your skills we wont need A LOT of hours 
that's what I like to hear
sick of vapourware
sweet
just remember, queue, buffer, non-polling, direct usb
though queue isn't so important at only 700kh since one work item can still go a long way
oh and ability to abort quickly
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Thanks for the reccomendations
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supporting higher diff internally would also be nice for low power front ends to run the hardware
Thanks, anything else? its good to have more information, as we know overall USB connection etc would be better. However, were a group of experienced engineers but not much knowledge in mining or crypto-currency, if you get my drift
hmm
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well
the things above I listed are the common mistakes
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ability to abort and flush work while queueing new work in one go would be very helpful
asynchronous submit work / return results would be nice, but that also requires supporting some work ID system for return results
temperature settings
fan control if any involved
ability to idle the device
data on safe operating temperatures
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ability to dynamically control speed
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Ok, ive forwarded this all to the team
mk
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the issues are the same but (not so) surprisingly, most manufacturers have never done anything mining related and don't realise how important these things are
whereas miners have been dealing with the same issues for 4 years now, they're the same regardless of what the hardware is
cpu, gpu, fpga, asics, (quantum)
or what the coin is, for that matter
Exactly, i always want to look from the miner/consumers point of view, to make the best possible fpga.
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you tackle all of the above and you've made better custom hardware than exists for btc even
Thanks. Would be great to have CGMINER powering our hardware. Do you post on the bitcoin forum?
lots
litepool, just as an aside, despite the fact I added scrypt opencl mining to cgminer, I did NOT write the scrypt code so don't think I'm necessarily an opencl expert that can do "anything"
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Of course there are a GPU miner for primecoin. Who knows how much better it hashes.
I am just waiting for them to show their face publicly.
Of course there are a GPU miner for primecoin. Who knows how much better it hashes.
I am curious whether the OpenCL or CUDA miner will be out first.
I'm hoping for OpenCL. I'm sure most people are since we are all sitting on AMD GPUs
I am curious whether the OpenCL or CUDA miner will be out first.
From Sunny King.
I am buying XPM. If you made a large stash consider selling some to me as your appreciation of my work. Note there is no premine or tax with primecoin nor do I want donations. But I like to have a stash as well of my creation We can negotiate at market price. PM me.
I am buying XPM. If you made a large stash consider selling some to me as your appreciation of my work. Note there is no premine or tax with primecoin nor do I want donations. But I like to have a stash as well of my creation We can negotiate at market price. PM me.
huh?
From Sunny King.
I am buying XPM. If you made a large stash consider selling some to me as your appreciation of my work. Note there is no premine or tax with primecoin nor do I want donations. But I like to have a stash as well of my creation We can negotiate at market price. PM me.
I am buying XPM. If you made a large stash consider selling some to me as your appreciation of my work. Note there is no premine or tax with primecoin nor do I want donations. But I like to have a stash as well of my creation We can negotiate at market price. PM me.
Don't mess around with crappy old GPU tech, lets just build an ASIC and be done with it!
Group pre-order, anyone? Lets be honest, it will take at least two weeks, but hey, worth it, right?
-MarkM-
Group pre-order, anyone? Lets be honest, it will take at least two weeks, but hey, worth it, right?
-MarkM-
I'm in
Don't mess around with crappy old GPU tech, lets just build an ASIC and be done with it!
Group pre-order, anyone? Lets be honest, it will take at least two weeks, but hey, worth it, right?
-MarkM-
Group pre-order, anyone? Lets be honest, it will take at least two weeks, but hey, worth it, right?
-MarkM-
I bet someone has it going. The question is when anything will be released.... i do not predict soon.
All the more too put up a bounty for it 
I bet someone has it going. The question is when anything will be released.... i do not predict soon.
how does it work with gpu?
something with unicorns and smiling rainbows 
how does it work with gpu?
Yepppp 
I am full of BS! But am still mining Primecoin with GPUs, lots of orphans though, but sure am finding a block 10x faster than with CPU!
I am full of BS! But am still mining Primecoin with GPUs, lots of orphans though, but sure am finding a block 10x faster than with CPU! 
Amazingly enough, 50MHz TI SPARC processors, long thought dead as nails by everyone but me and the CDE crew are PERFECT for XPM, you just need a cluster:
I can cofirm this! Rewrote and modified Cgminer code myself a week ago and currently mining at about 100k pps with my 4 x 7950 cards. Dont wanna share or sell this yet, because I want to have about 20k of prime coins first. 
Wow that sounds like some really poor GPU-code you got there.
-MarkM-
I didnt say its optimized to the max! I just enabled it to work...
you have enabled BS
I can cofirm this! Rewrote and modified Cgminer code myself a week ago and currently mining at about 100k pps with my 4 x 7950 cards. Dont wanna share or sell this yet, because I want to have about 20k of prime coins first.
Wow that sounds like some really poor GPU-code you got there.
-MarkM-
I didnt say its optimized to the max! I just enabled it to work...
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