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February 20, 2015, 04:12:47 PM
#67
There are numerous shitcoins that are 0.
So? A lot of them that are equally worthless are not at 0. That is enough to prove my point.

What is your point?  I know of no other crypto that has the infastructure that btc has?
My point is you are obviously either all pissey because you lost the 10 dollars to your name trying to be a trader or you are a paid shill making $1 a day posting. 
If you were trying to warn people, you would take your efforts to the shitcoins. 
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February 20, 2015, 04:06:52 PM
#66
There are numerous shitcoins that are 0.
So? A lot of them that are equally worthless are not at 0. That is enough to prove my point.
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February 20, 2015, 04:01:26 PM
#65
Now, the author was correct in saying BTC was in a bubble at that time.  Plenty of people were saying it and were right.  He then went on to incorrectly make the assumption that because BTC was in a bubble that it would behave identically to something else in history that also went through a bubble... despite the two assets/items in question having nothing else in common.  At one point in their history, tulips did have scarcity in common with BTC - again, given that we're discussing ridiculously different assets, their scarcity was not limited by their design.  Supply of tulips started to catch up.  The supply of BTC is fixed.  
Oh, I see what you are trying to say: "tulips were just useless flowers, bitcoin is a revolutionary technology".

The tulip comparison works well because the charts look identical and it works to prove a point using their respective charts. But sure, fundamentals wise is not quite the same. I agree.

Regarding fundamentals, another better analogy I like to bring up is pets.com (or any other domain that went into a bubble like World.com) during the dotcom bubble.
With the idea that:

distributed ledger technologies  -> the internet
cryptocurrencies -> pets.com


You can read all about it in my post here (the second part of the post, mostly)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10236780



Oh, and scarcity, the thing you bitcoiners always like to talk about. bitcoin's scarcity is 100% artificial. It the world doesn't need cryptocurrencies (or at least it doesn't need them for use cases that justify a high price/marketcap), it doesn't need them, whether they are scarce or not.

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February 20, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
#64
Getting back to your flawed point:

The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

Except that it doesn't.  The tulip's value bubble correlates with all of BTC's bubbles for possibly 90% of the initial duration.  The ridiculously important detail you missed was the last 10% when Tulips go right to 0 and BTC corrects down, does some price finding and then survives, and has historically gone on to do it all the fuck over again, and see a new ATH due largely to speculation.
Is the price of a tulip bulb zero today?

As long as bitcoin can be used for illicit activities or some people can make a quick buck with a daily pump&dump, it will have a price that is not zero. That doesn't mean that its price wasn't a bubble that bursted.



The price of quarkcoin or countless other useless shitcoins is not zero today. So what?

There are numerous shitcoins that are 0.  I don't know why you only waste your efforts hear, you can troll the hell out of everyone in the altcoin subforum.
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February 20, 2015, 03:52:06 PM
#63
Getting back to your flawed point:

The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

Except that it doesn't.  The tulip's value bubble correlates with all of BTC's bubbles for possibly 90% of the initial duration.  The ridiculously important detail you missed was the last 10% when Tulips go right to 0 and BTC corrects down, does some price finding and then survives, and has historically gone on to do it all the fuck over again, and see a new ATH due largely to speculation.
Is the price of a tulip bulb zero today?

As long as bitcoin can be used for illicit activities or some people can make a quick buck with a daily pump&dump, it will have a price that is not zero. That doesn't mean that its price wasn't a bubble that bursted.



The price of quarkcoin or countless other useless shitcoins is not zero today. So what?
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February 20, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
#62
NHJT livin up to his name people. Why do you bother?
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February 20, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
#61
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


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What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley
The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

The tulip bubble had 2 major bubbles as you can see.
The BTC bubble had 3. The last 2 of them look exactly as the tulip ones, the first one (the 32$ to 2$ one, on mtgox) was done when price and market cap were more than 100X less what they are today, so a lot easier to pump and insignificant in scale as the other ones.

What's your point?

His point is exactly what he said, pay attention because reading comprehension is important:


What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley

To illustrate this, I'll use the exact tulip chart you linked.  It came from this site:

http://seekingalpha.com/author/dan-naumov/instablog

What's unintentionally funny about your post is that you used a picture that this guy posted trying to compare BTC to tulips back in April of 2013.  The top line of that blog post read as follows:

"Bitcoin Breaks 100$"

...he proposed his version of the theory and put it up on 4/2/2013.

Put very simply, He tried to say exactly what you're saying now almost two years ago.  He was wrong then.  It turned out to be a false analogy based on only the value aspect of BTC to something else that had value at some point in history.  Trying to claim the same thing now comes off as either stupid, FUD, or trolling - or some combination of the three.  Your user name and lacking content shed light on which of those three your claim is largely comprised of.

Now, the author was correct in saying BTC was in a bubble at that time.  Plenty of people were saying it and were right.  He then went on to incorrectly make the assumption that because BTC was in a bubble that it would behave identically to something else in history that also went through a bubble... despite the two assets/items in question having nothing else in common.  At one point in their history, tulips did have scarcity in common with BTC - again, given that we're discussing ridiculously different assets, their scarcity was not limited by their design.  Supply of tulips started to catch up.  The supply of BTC is fixed.  

Guess what happened after he wrote this? The bubble popped, BTC corrected, did lots of sideways movement, corrected more and then went through the fucking roof.  Again.  

Just like it did when it went up to $266 from $10.
Just like it did when it went up to $32 from <$1.

Getting back to your flawed point:

The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

Except that it doesn't.  The tulip's value bubble correlates with all of BTC's bubbles for possibly 90% of the initial duration.  The ridiculously important detail you missed was the last 10% when Tulips go right to 0 and BTC corrects down, does some price finding and then survives, and has historically gone on to do it all the fuck over again, and see a new ATH due largely to speculation.
Except the fact that the first 2013 bubble (the $260 one) doesn't look like that tulip chart at all.
Also, the dude from your link posted the tulip comparison during the pump, that's not a very efficient way of making an analogy like that.
I showed the tulip-BTC comparison after 1 year of bear market from the $1200 bubble to show you in hindsight that the two charts indeed look very similar.


If anything the first 2013 pump (that I repeat, doesn't look like that tulip chart that much) fits in the larger picture as the first bubble that doesn't correct completely in the tulip chart here:




Calling a top of a bubble before it even starts to dump is stupid. These comparisons make sense in hindsight.



Again, the tulip bubble had 2 bubbles. The BTC bubble had 3.
Are you saying that the first bitcoin bubble (that happened when BTC was very easily pumpable and an obscure experiment very few people knew about, perfect for smart speculators to pump&dump) alone is sufficient to invalidate the tulip-bitcoin price comparison even though the 2 tulip bubbles look EXACTLY like the last 2 bitcoin bubbles (something that you can say only in hindsight)?
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February 20, 2015, 03:39:59 PM
#60
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


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What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley
The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

The tulip bubble had 2 major bubbles as you can see.
The BTC bubble had 3. The last 2 of them look exactly as the tulip ones, the first one (the 32$ to 2$ one, on mtgox) was done when price and market cap were more than 100X less what they are today, so a lot easier to pump and insignificant in scale as the other ones.

What's your point?

My point is, if we have yet another bubble now, the Nov 2014 one will look like the tiny rise on the tulip graph.
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February 20, 2015, 03:26:59 PM
#59
I see people say its great time to buy irrespective of the price all the time. But its true Tongue
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February 20, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
#58
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


[/img


What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley
The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

The tulip bubble had 2 major bubbles as you can see.
The BTC bubble had 3. The last 2 of them look exactly as the tulip ones, the first one (the 32$ to 2$ one, on mtgox) was done when price and market cap were more than 100X less what they are today, so a lot easier to pump and insignificant in scale as the other ones.

What's your point?

His point is exactly what he said, pay attention because reading comprehension is important:


What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley

To illustrate this, I'll use the exact tulip chart you linked.  It came from this site:

http://seekingalpha.com/author/dan-naumov/instablog

What's unintentionally funny about your post is that you used a picture that this guy posted trying to compare BTC to tulips back in April of 2013.  The top line of that blog post read as follows:

"Bitcoin Breaks 100$"

...he proposed his version of the theory and put it up on 4/2/2013.

Put very simply, He tried to say exactly what you're saying now almost two years ago.  He was wrong then.  It turned out to be a false analogy based on only the value aspect of BTC to something else that had value at some point in history.  Trying to claim the same thing now comes off as either stupid, FUD, or trolling - or some combination of the three.  Your user name and lacking content shed light on which of those three your claim is largely comprised of.

Now, the author was correct in saying BTC was in a bubble at that time.  Plenty of people were saying it and were right.  He then went on to incorrectly make the assumption that because BTC was in a bubble that it would behave identically to something else in history that also went through a bubble... despite the two assets/items in question having nothing else in common.  At one point in their history, tulips did have scarcity in common with BTC - again, given that we're discussing ridiculously different assets, their scarcity was not limited by their design.  Supply of tulips started to catch up.  The supply of BTC is fixed.  

Guess what happened after he wrote this? The bubble popped, BTC corrected, did lots of sideways movement, corrected more and then went through the fucking roof.  Again.  

Just like it did when it went up to $266 from $10.
Just like it did when it went up to $32 from <$1.

Getting back to your flawed point:

The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

Except that it doesn't.  The tulip's value bubble correlates with all of BTC's bubbles for possibly 90% of the initial duration.  The ridiculously important detail you missed was the last 10% when Tulips go right to 0 and BTC corrects down, does some price finding and then survives, and has historically gone on to do it all the fuck over again, and see a new ATH due largely to speculation.
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February 20, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
#57
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


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What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley
The tulip bubble fits better than any other bubble in history chart wise.

The tulip bubble had 2 major bubbles as you can see.
The BTC bubble had 3. The last 2 of them look exactly as the tulip ones, the first one (the 32$ to 2$ one, on mtgox) was done when price and market cap were more than 100X less what they are today, so a lot easier to pump and insignificant in scale as the other ones.

What's your point?
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February 20, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
#56
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


[/img




What I never understand when people do this kind of comparison is the lack of understanding that no matter what bubble you zoom in to, 2011, 2013, whichever, they ALWAYS look like the tulip graph.
The difference is that bitcoin always has a next one Smiley
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February 20, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
#55
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

You should buy more and prove the analogy wrong, so far it's working out decently well.


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February 20, 2015, 11:28:38 AM
#54
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Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

If you say so, Anon Undecided

You tell him boss!   Cheesy

Let's get all these guys to short those BTCeanie BTCabies like crazy.


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February 20, 2015, 10:50:46 AM
#53
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Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.

If you say so, Anon Undecided
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February 20, 2015, 10:49:07 AM
#52
If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

It's already lasted 6 years, like you mentioned.

Anyone using the phrases "tulip" or "beanie baby" as a parallel is a fucking idiot, and has been for a while.
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February 20, 2015, 01:40:42 AM
#51
let just hope it will start to rise little by little
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February 20, 2015, 12:19:10 AM
#50
The confidence returning to job markets means more disposable income and more interest in bitcoin.  watch out...
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February 19, 2015, 06:53:30 PM
#49
Everytime they say great time to buy, Bitcoin's price drops. I don't think the time has come yet. We need to see sub-150 coins first.

Technically if you believe that bitcoin's price will rise significantly anytime after now, it's always a great time to buy.
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February 19, 2015, 02:27:09 PM
#48
Anything above zero means the experiment lives on.  So far it's been 6 years in counting.

If it survives until the halving next year, maybe it isn't just a Tulip-mania or Beanie Babies scenario.  If it last that long, could it be......Legit???

Just buy now, while you still can.

you sound just like op in dec 5th 2013 lol, but its true, bitcoin has that extra wildcard,halving, so even if it wanted to stay frozen in terms of price its virtualy impossible.
So the question you are asking is will it survive until the halving; sure it will, and not just that, it will probably spark up another bubble, and til that bubble bursts, another halving will happen,. etc--etc-
u get my point, bitcoin was briliantly created by someone who obviously has deep roots in economics.

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