There was medium sized discussion in the Greek Pirate Party's forum.
Can you give us a link to it please in the local Greek thread?
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Can you give us a link to it please in the local Greek thread?
There was medium sized discussion in the Greek Pirate Party's forum.
...how about some more Greek Pride over here, please?
How many Greeks and associates are in the forum poll
Do we really only have 5 people here that are willing to admit that they are Greek?
Doesn't look very promising for a Greek subforum. Almost 4 weeks of polling, and not even as many Greeks in the poll as we have fingers.
Is there some big Greek computer geek forum, where Bitcoin is already being discussed? ...Or should be?
BrotherJohnF just mentioned bitcoin again in his silver report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HfAx2aGyBGY#t=235s
The question of the day was something about a local barter currency somewhere in Greece.
The question of the day was something about a local barter currency somewhere in Greece.
Quote from: BrotherJohnF
But, again, this is, uhm, the same weakness with this "TEM" is the weakness with all these alternative currencies and I just find it a little bit surprising that they didn't try to use something like the bitcoin. Not necessarily the bit... doesn't have to be a bitcoin, uh, it could be anything else but this suffers from the problem of all currencies, which is: who is in control of the currency and who gets to say how much of it is created and how do people trade and value things.
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Let's say someone offers a haircut. The network determines that's worth 10 credits. Ok, there's the big flaw of these sorts of things here: you do not want to have the network determining what something is worth. Is every haircut equal? What if someone is really poor is giving haircuts? What if someone is really good? So, that's a big flaw to have these assigned prices.
You have to have a free market. [...] You can't have this centrally planned economy like this, it just simply wont work and the pricing mechanism will be broken. [...]
It's an interesting concept [that greek barter currency], it definitely needs some work. It needs to borrow some of the ideas from bitcoin, with a limit on the number that's locked in and some kind of anti-counterfeiting mechnism built into it. If that's not there, then you're totally at the mercy of the people who administer it and you can see what's happened with the federal reserve and how that's worked out.
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Let's say someone offers a haircut. The network determines that's worth 10 credits. Ok, there's the big flaw of these sorts of things here: you do not want to have the network determining what something is worth. Is every haircut equal? What if someone is really poor is giving haircuts? What if someone is really good? So, that's a big flaw to have these assigned prices.
You have to have a free market. [...] You can't have this centrally planned economy like this, it just simply wont work and the pricing mechanism will be broken. [...]
It's an interesting concept [that greek barter currency], it definitely needs some work. It needs to borrow some of the ideas from bitcoin, with a limit on the number that's locked in and some kind of anti-counterfeiting mechnism built into it. If that's not there, then you're totally at the mercy of the people who administer it and you can see what's happened with the federal reserve and how that's worked out.
Check with Bruce Wagner, for example. If i remember right, he was the first voice of Bitcoin in the mass media, even before Gavin. There were others who did their share to get the editors, reporters and such to cover it back at the end of 2010, beginning of 2011...
All it would really take is for someone to convince a major Greek TV news bureau to do a story on Bitcoin...
All it would really take is for someone to convince a major Greek TV news bureau to do a story on Bitcoin...
Ten minutes ago, TV channel ALPHA aired an interview with some businessman (I don't remember his name) who proposed that Greece should default, go back to drachma and create a second, silver based coin without a fixed price to be used along with the fiat drachma. Interesting idea I'd say. I'd love to see Greece making the first non-fiat currency in Europe. But I doubt anyone will do that. He kept saying "all the government must do is give the people a good currency and they'll take care of everything else".
They also mentioned Max Keiser and they said they will air his opinion tomorrow.
Related: http://maxkeiser.com/2012/06/07/arriving-in-athens-today-with-hugo-salinas-price-on-hugos-g4-heading-out-now-for-a-live-tv-interview-to-talk-about-hugos-idea-for-a-silver-drachma-to-save-greece-from-the-banksters/
Most Greeks with the ability to evade taxes, do so. Freelancers do so in most cases. On the other hand you wouldn't expect them not to evade taxes. When you see your neighbor evading huge amounts because his uncle knows someone in the parliament, you fell like an idiot for paying your taxes while the healthcare and the education system are utter crap and practically not even free. So don't blame Greeks for tax evasion. On the other hand you can blame most Greeks for voting those assholes in the parliament every 4 years, prolonging this unfair situation that even voters hate, showing a complete lack of reasoning and looking only how they make things better for themselves (in the short term).
And as Serenata said, most Greeks that have a job work way more than the average European but produce far less than the average European and get paid far less too.
If Europe wants to blame something on Greeks, it's the way they vote. We seriously haven't got the tiniest idea of how a democracy works. And most Greeks I've talked with don't even grasp simple notions like "personal freedom" or "coercion". And to be honest you wouldn't expect anything different if you take into account the education system here.
And as Serenata said, most Greeks that have a job work way more than the average European but produce far less than the average European and get paid far less too.
If Europe wants to blame something on Greeks, it's the way they vote. We seriously haven't got the tiniest idea of how a democracy works. And most Greeks I've talked with don't even grasp simple notions like "personal freedom" or "coercion". And to be honest you wouldn't expect anything different if you take into account the education system here.
...how about some more Greek Pride over here, please?
How many Greeks and associates are in the forum poll
Do we really only have 2 people here that are willing to admit that they are Greek?
In days like these, it's not "easy" for everyone to say they're Greek. Mass media have made it look like Greeks are losers, worthless, lazy, [put something derogatory here], because of the crisis. There are times that people look down on us even though we work 12+ hours per day, don't have a truly free education/health system, pay huge taxes and foremost we had nothing to do with all that money flying around. (Hm... while revising before posting, my drama sensor just beeped)
I vote in favor for a Greek subforum. I know people who might be interested in Bitcoin but are not that good with English and would not be able to keep up with conversations.
Well it depends on how much you want to pay. TV would be ideal. But Facebook and blogs are good and free thought.
Well, what about the way we did it in the early days? Just go to various mass media entities, and ask them to do a comprehensive story on Bitcoin?
Who did that? Or if we could find 10 greeks in the forum each one could give like 1 euro/month and start a facebook ad campaign targeted to people that would likely like bitcoin.
Check with Bruce Wagner, for example. If i remember right, he was the first voice of Bitcoin in the mass media, even before Gavin. There were others who did their share to get the editors, reporters and such to cover it back at the end of 2010, beginning of 2011...
All it would really take is for someone to convince a major Greek TV news bureau to do a story on Bitcoin...
Well it depends on how much you want to pay. TV would be ideal. But Facebook and blogs are good and free thought.
Well, what about the way we did it in the early days? Just go to various mass media entities, and ask them to do a comprehensive story on Bitcoin?
Who did that? Or if we could find 10 greeks in the forum each one could give like 1 euro/month and start a facebook ad campaign targeted to people that would likely like bitcoin.
...how about some more Greek Pride over here, please?
How many Greeks and associates are in the forum poll
Do we really only have 2 people here that are willing to admit that they are Greek?
Well it depends on how much you want to pay. TV would be ideal. But Facebook and blogs are good and free thought.
Well, what about the way we did it in the early days? Just go to various mass media entities, and ask them to do a comprehensive story on Bitcoin?
Well it depends on how much you want to pay. TV would be ideal. But Facebook and blogs are good and free thought.
Has B ever been mentioned in Greek mass media?
Never in the mass media. Few people know about it but I am trying my hardest, hehe. Somebody make that poll somewhere if feasible.
Ok, here is the POLL!
Which part of the Greek mass media would be the most effective to request to present B to the Greek public?
Has B ever been mentioned in Greek mass media?
Never in the mass media. Few people know about it but I am trying my hardest, hehe. Somebody make that poll somewhere if feasible.
A Greek subsection would be nice. I can help moderating if you want.
+1 If anyone needs a subsection here, it's the Greeks, provided that they are actually here!
How many members do we have that actually live in Greece? Perhaps, such a poll would be useful in this thread.
That's why i posted the thread mentioned above; people from all over are discussing B in this forum, but we seldom hear from the Greeks.
Perhaps, they are discussing it somewhere else?
Has B ever been mentioned in Greek mass media?
Mods?
Are you looking for mods for the greek section, or calling out for the mods to create the subsection? :-)
Mods?
A Greek subsection would be nice. I can help moderating if you want.
FWIW there's a Greek thread, which is a good start to getting a subforum. Can't say it's active though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/greece-9261
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/greece-9261
cool, this also answers the question for a greek client (last post: multibit greek)
FWIW there's a Greek thread, which is a good start to getting a subforum. Can't say it's active though.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/greece-9261
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/greece-9261
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