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Quote from: e4xit on June 30, 2014, 04:57:03 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:58:28 PM

Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

I should have mentioned that I also meant using a solid, tested Bitcoin client that is drama-free, like Armory.

Do you take your laptop and cold storage key storage device I to shops with you and then connect to the internet and wait for the Blockchain to sync before you pay the cashier? No, you drop some small change in a mobile wallet.

Both methods complement each other, I don't think it's ..."armory only".

Armory is a good client, I recommend really anything that doesn't choke you out of access to your keys. The best wallets you could really use abide by this.

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Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:58:28 PM

Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

I should have mentioned that I also meant using a solid, tested Bitcoin client that is drama-free, like Armory.

Do you take your laptop and cold storage key storage device I to shops with you and then connect to the internet and wait for the Blockchain to sync before you pay the cashier? No, you drop some small change in a mobile wallet.

Both methods complement each other, I don't think it's ..."armory only".

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Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:58:28 PM

Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

I should have mentioned that I also meant using a solid, tested Bitcoin client that is drama-free, like Armory.

I agree, that's the number 1 option. Or a paper wallet.

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Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

I should have mentioned that I also meant using a solid, tested Bitcoin client that is drama-free, like Armory.

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Quote from: Marlo Stanfield on June 30, 2014, 03:42:10 PM

Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Criticism is fine, I actively embrace it.

However, we saw issues with wallets and we've attempted to make a wallet that's more secure and that we have nothing to do with. Meaning we have no hand in the process of using the wallet. Alot of services fake security by saying there is no central server, there is.

It seems we're getting blamed for criticism of another services short comings, it's fine I guess we are doing something right.

That's fine aswell, we are taking our time and listening to criticism look at our previous post history ~ we've changed alot of things.

Seems others would agree with me: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/

We want things to be right, not release code that you try to use and it doesn't work. Alot of people are stuck using shit products already, we aren't one of them.

I do encourage questions, but we are feeding a service troll

So don't point these articles at us, you have some things to answer for you've actively ignored.

Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:11:03 PM

Solution: just manage your own Bitcoins and avoid the drama.

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

If you want to salvage anything out of this you should seriously consider just stopping this. It does not reflect well on your business and it does not instill trust in people who might be potential customers.

People in bitcoin are smart and they're not going to let problems slip by. As a competitor you should leave it to the real users to criticise and not tarnish your own reputation by trying to sling mud in a public setting.

Also, you should probably hire someone to do your public relations. Or just stop altogether if it's not an expense that fits your budget.

I agree green address needs someone to do PR, and address these reddit articles that have been posted.

It's hard to recover from a tarnished reputation.

I suggest anyone whos currently using greenaddress to take all the evidence above and consider http://frozenbit.io

We don't control your keys, were open-source and have no central server.

lets not forget features like:

2FA
SMS Balance Alerts
Real world escrow
Multisignature wallets
AND
User controlled keys

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Quote from: FrozenBit on June 30, 2014, 03:18:57 PM

Criticism is fine, I actively embrace it.

However, we saw issues with wallets and we've attempted to make a wallet that's more secure and that we have nothing to do with. Meaning we have no hand in the process of using the wallet. Alot of services fake security by saying there is no central server, there is.

It seems we're getting blamed for criticism of another services short comings, it's fine I guess we are doing something right.

That's fine aswell, we are taking our time and listening to criticism look at our previous post history ~ we've changed alot of things.

Seems others would agree with me: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/

We want things to be right, not release code that you try to use and it doesn't work. Alot of people are stuck using shit products already, we aren't one of them.

I do encourage questions, but we are feeding a service troll

So don't point these articles at us, you have some things to answer for you've actively ignored.

Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:11:03 PM

Solution: just manage your own Bitcoins and avoid the drama.

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

If you want to salvage anything out of this you should seriously consider just stopping this. It does not reflect well on your business and it does not instill trust in people who might be potential customers.

People in bitcoin are smart and they're not going to let problems slip by. As a competitor you should leave it to the real users to criticise and not tarnish your own reputation by trying to sling mud in a public setting.

Also, you should probably hire someone to do your public relations. Or just stop altogether if it's not an expense that fits your budget.

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FrozenBit, you are a soul without shame.

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Criticism is fine, I actively embrace it.

However, we saw issues with wallets and we've attempted to make a wallet that's more secure and that we have nothing to do with. Meaning we have no hand in the process of using the wallet. Alot of services fake security by saying there is no central server, there is.

It seems we're getting blamed for criticism of another services short comings, it's fine I guess we are doing something right.

That's fine aswell, we are taking our time and listening to criticism look at our previous post history ~ we've changed alot of things.

Seems others would agree with me: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/

We want things to be right, not release code that you try to use and it doesn't work. Alot of people are stuck using shit products already, we aren't one of them.

I do encourage questions, but we are feeding a service troll

So don't point these articles at us, you have some things to answer for you've actively ignored.

Quote from: justusranvier on June 30, 2014, 03:11:03 PM

Solution: just manage your own Bitcoins and avoid the drama.

Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .

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Solution: just manage your own Bitcoins and avoid the drama.

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This is the third separate time I've seen Frozenbit accused of using sockpuppets. At first in the older thread here on the main board I didn't pay it too much attention. But with another post on reddit a little while ago that had users pointing out all the new accounts and now this. I think it's pretty clear what's going on. Not to mention the obvious purchasing of twitter followers that demonstrates a willingness to use questionable methods.

And check the post history of the OP here. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7174840 is his first post on the forum...lol...nice "interview". And then he makes this thread with the title "Greenaddress uses deceptive buissness practices, could cost users millions." Really?

Way to ruin any legitimate chance your project had at success by a laughably bad attempt at manipulating public opinion. Like honestly, what were you thinking? Did you not think that people would see through all of this? You could have at least tried or something.

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Meh, you are more fake than your fake followers on twitter https://twitter.com/FrozenBitIO

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Quote from: tryexcept on June 30, 2014, 12:35:06 PM

What should I address?

I asked you questions which you didn't answer

How can I address emptiness? I mean I'm tempted but there is really nothing to evaluate other than FUD and false advertising.

Quote from: tryexcept on June 30, 2014, 12:25:47 PM

I see you avoid addressing the questions Shocked

It appears GreenAddress is attempting to run a scam, or just using children tactics.

It appears FrozenBit has been brought into this mix somehow. I have greater assumptions of why this is, mostly because greenaddress is pointing fingers.

If this is about what was on the front page of reddit yesterday which I've been messaged about I never clicked on that link and didn't know in detail what it was about. If you respond to bad criticism by feeding the troll you're just hurting yourself. Don't point fingers, instead address it which I haven't seen you do. However, I can assure you we are NOT behind this.

Anyway I invite you to read about our service http://frozenbit.io, and wait for launch. Since we're both multisig I don't see what you're complaining for. Multisig is about awareness. All of my talks with https://www.BitGo.com have been about spreading awareness not crying when someone comes into the mix who does things a little different. I think you could learn some things from that playbook.

Anyway the Gist is, don't point fingers and address what this guy is saying. It's not that hard is it?

Now you can put your finger down.

EDIT: Link to Greenaddress using deceptive buissness practices - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7587965

EDIT: Link to Greenaddress using peddlers to hide that on reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29fdhu/greenaddress_is_using_peddlers_to_hide_bad/

However, lawrence appears to be trolling, must not feed trolls.

EDIT: It doesn't matter if they're affiliated with FrozenBit or not. It's a matter of their opinion on what they see above, if you can't take criticism you're in the wrong business.

To answer your questions

1.) Is that a question?

2.) Is that a question?

3.) Ok

4.) No, I just see this as something people just aren't doing. It's much easier to just let users control all their keys instead of lying to them.

EDIT: Your more fake than your reddit accounts: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29fdhu/greenaddress_is_using_peddlers_to_hide_bad/

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WTF, how many fake followers do you have Huh

The more i look into frozenbit the more I smell.

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What should I address?

I asked you questions which you didn't answer

How can I address emptiness? I mean I'm tempted but there is really nothing to evaluate other than FUD and false advertising.

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Quote from: tryexcept on June 30, 2014, 12:30:21 PM

Lol at you ignoring what I said above. Why aren't you addressing what this guy posted?

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so the question is, is frozenbit a scam or just incompetent people with stupid childish tactics?

i know what you are going to say: both.

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Quote from: tryexcept on June 30, 2014, 12:20:26 PM

well, if you don't mind I'll wait for someone with no frozenbit history to tell me to not look into this Cheesy

especially given nobody can just go on the frozenbit site and register, it does not work, nor you can find any code on github

same minds think alike. i have found many "coming soon" sites asking you to supply email usernames and passwords to get updates.

normally just an update subscriber asks for email only..

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It appears FrozenBit has been brought into this mix somehow. I have greater assumptions of why this is, mostly because greenaddress is pointing fingers.

If this is about what was on the front page of reddit yesterday which I've been messaged about I never clicked on that link and didn't know in detail what it was about. If you respond to bad criticism by feeding the troll you're just hurting yourself. Don't point fingers, instead address it which I haven't seen you do. However, I can assure you we are NOT behind this.

Anyway I invite you to read about our service http://frozenbit.io, and wait for launch. Since we're both multisig I don't see what you're complaining for. Multisig is about awareness. All of my talks with https://www.BitGo.com have been about spreading awareness not crying when someone comes into the mix who does things a little different. I think you could learn some things from that playbook.

Anyway the Gist is, don't point fingers and address what this guy is saying. It's not that hard is it?

Now you can put your finger down.

EDIT: Link to Greenaddress using deceptive buissness practices - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7587965

EDIT: Link to Greenaddress using peddlers to hide that on reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29fdhu/greenaddress_is_using_peddlers_to_hide_bad/

However, lawrence appears to be trolling, must not feed trolls.

EDIT: It doesn't matter if they're affiliated with FrozenBit or not. It's a matter of their opinion on what they see above, if you can't take criticism you're in the wrong business.

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Quote from: crazy_rabbit on June 30, 2014, 08:27:30 AM

So I'm skeptical about OP's claims at best.

the OP, c5h3ris1253 are both sockpuppets of frozenbit.

which im slowly finding out that they too are not going to offer an opensource tool

i guess its a bit of call someone else a bad name to make yourself look good, school playground tactics.

it surprised me more that i told the guy from frozen bit to make some javascriot code (for offline processing) where people can just type in a privkey offline, destination, amount. and it forms a signed TX. (most secure way) and only the signed TX gets sent to a website (pushTX api)

but he semed to think 2 multisigs, google 2FA, username and password was more user friendly..

(silly moronic minds) if you need to supply a service secret info... they then own it!

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