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Topic: [GROUP BUY] Alpha-T Scrypt Miners 25 MH/s - page 4. (Read 22664 times)

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December 28, 2013, 02:12:35 AM
#46
I would strongly urge those who are looking into investing in this to really do your diligence into those behind the operation and their track record...most of the information is public and if you do a little bit of digging; I think it will surely make the decision a clear no-brainer for many of you. But besides that if you look at what they are offering:

~ 25 Mh/s for ~ $9000 USD and most likely closer to $10,000 once you consider shipping & customs taxes, you are looking at a rig efficiency of $2.5 kH / $USD. Also the cost of locking your money up for at least 3 months (dream scenario) if not longer, If you remember back to what happened with the first batches of SHA Asics, there will most likely be a relatively long development cycle, and a lot of up and downs before they iron out all the bugs and we get a final tape-out. My optimistic estimate would be no earlier than late Q3 2013.

But more than that, it's going to take a fair bit of capital as well to do all of this development work; and to date, no major name has stepped up to the plate to provide that yet, so money is at major risk in terms of halted or partial development and running out of funds, especially as they will be relying on the pre-order infusion to get things going.

For reference; I had created a 20+ Mh farm for $14k - and in the next buildout we are going to be able to drastically reduce costs to the level of $22 Mh / $12k, and continue to go down with increased volume. So you are looking at about a level of 1.8 kH / $USD. What I'm suggesting is that a 9 month wait for an additional 39% of cost efficiency probably only makes sense if they were able to ship out in the next few months or if you were looking to have an extremely scalable solution and were going very large - something that can be mitigated through creative management and tools of traditional rigs. And what's more in the case of a altcoin meltdown or a change in the cryptography to be resistant to the Scrypt Asic, you'd very much be left with a hunk of dead weight. However, GPUs have liquidation value that is probably at worst ~70% of your original investment in the hardware.

So:
Pros for ASIC: Much easier to manage / Much better energy efficiency / Scalable / Cost efficiency
Cons for ASIC: No risk mitigation / Long lead-times for what is currently vaporware / ASIC by definition not agile

Anyways just some food for thought; so perhaps if we pooled our resources along the lines of creating a traditional GPU farm it would be a more effective use of our money - in fact the wheels are already spinning on this front; give me a shout if this thinking is sound to you and you'd like to become involved in some way or if you think that there are some massive gaps in logic, would appreciate that even more.

All the best and Happy Holidays

Interesting point but how can you reduce your costs to 22 mh / 12k?  Huh Even 20+Mh for 14k is pretty impressive. I guess it must be those connections to suppliers  Wink
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December 27, 2013, 11:29:43 PM
#45
I've heard of other companies working on similar products as well. I don't recall exactly but I remember reading of one that has a mining software that will know which alt coins to mine for at any given time of the day to maximize the profits. Has anyone else heard of anything like this? I can't find the link I read it on.
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December 27, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
#44
I predict these will ship... in 2015...

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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December 27, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
#43
I have a new technology that will hash Scrypt at 100 MH/s using only 75W of power.

Send me 0.5 BTC and I will tell you more! Cheesy


Do you take group-buy orders?
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December 27, 2013, 10:52:25 PM
#42
Before you guys send bitcoins into the air by speculating if this company exist for real...  send it to me then i can finaly throw away my nvidia gpus  Wink

 Grin
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December 27, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
#41
Hello,

I was planning on ordering a few for myself but I am going to gauge interest on potential group buys for the Alpha Technologies 25 MH/s Litecoin ASICs.


*snip*

How sure are you that you can manage to get a preorder in quick enough to be delivered in the first batch?

If you can convince me, I'd like to go in with you on at least half a rig.
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December 27, 2013, 04:09:05 PM
#40
Just so everyone knows AMD's GDDR 6 GPU's are scheduled to be out in Q3/4 2014 which will render these ASICs useless. GDDR6 has twice the bandwidth of GDDR5 and not to mention the shader increases in the cards. We will be seeing $500 cards @ 2mh/s each or even more.. at that time. I believe Alpha T's scrypt ASIC is real, but it will be no contest for the GPU's that get released in 2014

I thought about this and lack of news will probably really push back development. We will see once CES arrives next month
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December 26, 2013, 09:46:23 PM
#39
I am also interested, but is it just a "send BTC and trust me" thing?  Are you planning to set this up in a legal contract? How are you going to handle disputes? What if they dont deliver? What if it takes them 2 years to finally get it working correctly?

With the history of cryptos and ASIC production, this is a really risky gamble.  I may join up once I hear more, but atm its just too much to loose Sad

A legal contract will be in place. As for disputes, I make the ultimate decision as I will own 50% of each rig.
Yes "trust me" thing is in place. But you can visit the facility and meet me (southern cali) if you wish.

As for delivery of Alpha-T, it is out of my control. Refunds can be voted on an approved in which the refund will correlate with the amount Alpha-T refunds.

As with any new ASIC, there is risk involved. Hence caution, as you are trusting a brand new company.

Just curious but does 50% equal a controlling stake. Shouldn't it be 51% or higher ?

Between two people, yes. However, this is between 5 people per machine so he has the majority.
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December 26, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
#38
obvious scam is obviouuuuuuus!
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December 26, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
#37
Just so everyone knows AMD's GDDR 6 GPU's are scheduled to be out in Q3/4 2014 which will render these ASICs useless. GDDR6 has twice the bandwidth of GDDR5 and not to mention the shader increases in the cards. We will be seeing $500 cards @ 2mh/s each or even more.. at that time. I believe Alpha T's scrypt ASIC is real, but it will be no contest for the GPU's that get released in 2014
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It was only the wind.
December 26, 2013, 08:19:08 PM
#36
I'm gonna just say that Alpha Technology's post on the Litecoin forum used to say that their ASICs used powered risers. If you want to buy after learning that, then you deserve to lose your money.
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December 26, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
#36
I have a new technology that will hash Scrypt at 100 MH/s using only 75W of power.

Send me 0.5 BTC and I will tell you more! Cheesy
legendary
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December 26, 2013, 07:15:15 PM
#35
I am also interested, but is it just a "send BTC and trust me" thing?  Are you planning to set this up in a legal contract? How are you going to handle disputes? What if they dont deliver? What if it takes them 2 years to finally get it working correctly?

With the history of cryptos and ASIC production, this is a really risky gamble.  I may join up once I hear more, but atm its just too much to loose Sad

A legal contract will be in place. As for disputes, I make the ultimate decision as I will own 50% of each rig.
Yes "trust me" thing is in place. But you can visit the facility and meet me (southern cali) if you wish.

As for delivery of Alpha-T, it is out of my control. Refunds can be voted on an approved in which the refund will correlate with the amount Alpha-T refunds.

As with any new ASIC, there is risk involved. Hence caution, as you are trusting a brand new company.

so remind me why you are doing a groupbuy? just preorder a system for yourself. mining hosting is only a headache for everyone involved (particularly the participants who are at the mercy of the hoster's decisions/fees and who receive zero compensation for the physical hardware value when the hoster decides the rig has outlived profitability)

my 2c: buy your own hardware and save hassle. and dont pre-order stuff thats months away
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тσ ¢σιи σя иσт тσ ¢σιи?
December 26, 2013, 07:08:08 PM
#34
I am also interested, but is it just a "send BTC and trust me" thing?  Are you planning to set this up in a legal contract? How are you going to handle disputes? What if they dont deliver? What if it takes them 2 years to finally get it working correctly?

With the history of cryptos and ASIC production, this is a really risky gamble.  I may join up once I hear more, but atm its just too much to loose Sad

A legal contract will be in place. As for disputes, I make the ultimate decision as I will own 50% of each rig.
Yes "trust me" thing is in place. But you can visit the facility and meet me (southern cali) if you wish.

As for delivery of Alpha-T, it is out of my control. Refunds can be voted on an approved in which the refund will correlate with the amount Alpha-T refunds.

As with any new ASIC, there is risk involved. Hence caution, as you are trusting a brand new company.

Just curious but does 50% equal a controlling stake. Shouldn't it be 51% or higher ?
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December 26, 2013, 06:57:18 PM
#33
The company is saying delivery in Q2/Q3 next year so likely to be at least 6 months until delivery. Could even turn into another BFL disaster.
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December 26, 2013, 06:32:28 PM
#29
Eeek... feel sorry for anyone participating in this... clearly a scam.

Good luck dealing with all the angry people, OP! 

Undecided


Just don't get this place sometimes. I wish I had that kind of money to burn.

No kidding... and I am sure someone is reading this and coming up with another scam that will be succesful on here...

People are so blinded by potential profits that they can't understand why it is clearly a scam.

25MH/s would generate over $200/day right now, and people think that a company would sell them for $2500?  Great business model... sell ASICs that ROI in 15 days instead of plugging them into a wall.   Roll Eyes

ur missing something here. that 2500 usd you are talking about is the downpayment. The total is 6000 pounds which i guessing is around 9000 usd. Still, I would not buy things like this, EVEN if its real, you would get it in q2/q3 2014, WHO KNOWS what has happened when we get there. Also, yea, have not seen anything to prove these things are real. Not even a crappy youtube vid.
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