Topic: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! - page 75. (Read 150591 times)

Can we get a general trajectory from everyone who hasn't read up on the current thread by noon pacific tomorrow?  That should be plenty of time for the world to respond to this series of events.

I have put together a list of key stakeholders, which I have defined as people who own more than 2% of the buy.  These people corresponded to 75% of the BTC stake last night.  If you are a key stakeholder and not on the list, let me know.  I used a spreadsheet which hasn't had buy ins updated for a day.

Key Stakeholders:  

RagingAzn628, Rallye, freeworm, alle.sello, sveetsnelda, aceat64, Bicknellski, Immuzikation, atcsecure, Egon, spinner, ryepdx, CoinHoarder, Kushedout, spanishfry, dserrano5, flowdab

You've paid 5 BTC, right? Check the spreadsheet.

I woke just now to this mess again.   Why does the drama always take part when I'm absent?

My take on this:

As what I said last time, this is a first come first serve group buy due to the fact that people always seem to be pulling out in the last minute and delaying everything. Whoever's funds come first will get the space in hand, period.

You have my support as well. We are all adults here. John K and nebiz have done a great job in keeping things professional and friendly. I mean no offense to the OP, but we all have common interests here and there's no reason for this order not to happen.

And let wrenchmonkey send his coins for god's sake!

Mine as well. +1 for ryepdx

I agree with you and have my support

Dwolla to MtGox has usually been faster than that for me, but my last such transfer about a week ago took 2 or 3 days to go through. It was only for $30, too...not exactly a huge amount.

For the late comers, and those who want to order additional chips after this is over, there are at least two new Group Buys for chips.

One is based in the Philippines, Asia. The other is based in Germany, Europe. You take your pick where you like, probably depends on your geographic location, and if you already have a builder (electrical engineer) in mind.

[Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-avalon-asic-chips-sebastianju-batch-6-ordered-closed-187660

[Group Buy] Avalon ASIC chips, destination Philippines (Dabs)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-avalon-asic-chips-0079-per-chip-dabs-philippinesasia-187457

We both have the same price, however we don't know the fiat part, but that will be announced in due time. I'm confident it won't be much, and we will also accept bitcoin as payment.

*edit* There's a new guy from Nederlands who is also proposing his own Group Buy.

Taking a cue from this thread, my group buy will close either after 10,000 chips have been met, or we exceed 10,000 chips and I simply order that new amount. Ideally, I will prefer to stick to a flat 10,000 and simply refund the 10,001th chip order. Blockchain is proof. First pay according to block, first served. If a lot pay in the same block, I'll include everyone in that last block and refund the next block.

I will step in if that happens and handle distribution. Messaging JohnK right now to see about verifying my identity with him. If raginazn pulls through, great. But I'm not about to let this all fall apart.

+1

Lets wait for ragingazn628 to come back online and see what he has to say.  I'm fairly sure that if he does not reopen this thread and stay true to his word, this whole thing is going to fall to pieces.  But until then, let's all calm down.  We wouldn't want anyone pulling out prematurely due to becoming extremely nervous over the direction that this thread is headed.  

Yes there will be other opportunities to buy, but time is of the essence here and even a week or 2 could mean greatly diminished returns on our investment!  So please, lets do everything we can to keep this together and on track.

We *might* be able to "sail" without him. The problem is one of fairness. We established several pages back that we were moving to a "first paid, first served" basis, and that anyone who pledged and did not get their BTC in on time was simply SOL. There will be people bumped because they never got their BTC sent.

It's not fair that Ataxx should get special treatment. raginazn, despite being the one taking receipt of the orders, doesn't get to decide that. We're the ones putting our BTC on the line and making this group order *happen,* and we're the ones that decided to move to a "payers only" basis earlier.


I would be happy to take over distribution if enough people feel the same as shibaji. I want this group buy to happen as soon as possible, and I'm more than willing to supply JohnK with the same identity credentials raginazn has supplied and handle shipping everything if enough people have lost faith in raginazn. I've got the time: I pay the bills with about 20 hours of freelance web development a week.

At any rate, it's not like Ataxx is SOL if they miss this buy. They've got 200 BTC to sink into any group buy of their choice.

I just want to get my chips and get mining ASAP. This whole process should have been much more straightforward than its been so far.

Don't worry there will be several new group buyings...

You should not be changing the terms of this buy in flight. A few posts back you indicate it is "still open". Now it's closed?

You realize how bad this is going to look if:

- Ataxx doesn't come through (I have no idea who is is, no reason to believe he will or won't)
 and/or
- The order is not submitted in time to Avalon

In my opinion, it should be first come first served. If folks can't/don't sent coin that they pledged within roughly 24 hours that is their fault and their place should be up for grabs.

Nope - we will be sailing fine without "that" guy. OP is just rooting for his buddy, and this is not his choice to make. As I can see, OP has put in minimal effort to this, and avoided all responsibility. It is John and Nebiz who helped out!

I do not truly understand how you can support this decision, for which he has not right! In fact, things would be better if someone more responsible takes over the distribution. OP was no-op throughout - toss him a coin for his invisible effort so far - and that's about it.

I have lost faith on ragingazn, and will ask for a refund if this is not open soon. It is one matter to order through this, but with his whimsical behavior, I seriously doubt if he is able to pull through the whole process.

A few post earlier, ragingazn almost attacked nebiz for proposing a deadline. Nebiz is the same guy, who put in an effort to organize the spreadsheet - which was a mess - if anything, ragingzan should tip and thank him instead. Coupled with this, I have serious doubt about his judgement and comprehension capability.

I am sure ragingazn will be happier if I pull out, as his buddy Ataxx will be able to get bigger share.

This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Good luck to all of you.

Well we got 100 btc in the last 24 hours and I see no reason we can't close the remaining amount even faster.

just saying dont be too harsh on that guy he putting up a lot of BTC.. without him we not sailing right?  or we got plenty of more coming?

Thanks guys, I'm starting to feel like Rudy! 

The agreement was that we save no spaces, I think we should remain first come - first served.