[Guide] Reporting effectively - page 2.

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Quote from: Welsh on October 05, 2019, 04:28:40 AM

Quote from: tranthidung on September 07, 2019, 08:41:29 PM

It is not a new feature, but has not yet presented in the guide, so I think @Welsh should consider to add more details for the Patrol page section.
With steps to customize Patrol page.

That would be a nice little addition. I'll get around to it at some point. Hopefully, this weekend I'll have some time to add to the guide. Although, this thread has definitely been the lower priority out of all my projects. I'll probably include ways of filtering sections to help with moderating too.

details is the most important in reporting enumerating from start to finish

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Quote from: tranthidung on September 07, 2019, 08:41:29 PM

It is not a new feature, but has not yet presented in the guide, so I think @Welsh should consider to add more details for the Patrol page section.
With steps to customize Patrol page.

That would be a nice little addition. I'll get around to it at some point. Hopefully, this weekend I'll have some time to add to the guide. Although, this thread has definitely been the lower priority out of all my projects. I'll probably include ways of filtering sections to help with moderating too.

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

It is not a new feature, but has not yet presented in the guide, so I think @Welsh should consider to add more details for the Patrol page section.
With steps to customize Patrol page.

Quote from: tranthidung on September 07, 2019, 08:34:26 PM

I just discovered interesting things on patrol page, so I updated the thread today.

Now, let me presenting what I discovered.

Beside the standard patrol page, that most of us know, at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol ⁽¹⁾
There is another 'hidden' patrol page, in which posts made in bounty threads disabled by default, at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol;nobounty ⁽²⁾. I knew about that page by @suchmoon or @Vod, and originally it was disclosed in Russian board.

Generally

The (1) page is overwhelming spam posts, and there is no reason to find spam posts in bounty threads, with abundant proof of authentication or weekly report posts
The (2) page is more helpful, but by default, there are still so many posts over many boards

So, what users can do if they want to limit posts in their interest boards, such as Altcoin Discussions?
There is solution, but users have to manually customize their patrol page. Here is a guide, given by @o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on February 21, 2019, 12:05:10 PM

Patrol isn't really hidden. You can make a link to it appear at the top of each page immediately above the link to your Watchlist by going to Profile - Forum Profile Information - and checking the box titled "Show patrol link".

What is hidden is that you can customize the patrol link to view other recent posts. Patrol shows the last 200 posts by newbie accounts. If you delete ";patrol" from the link, so you are left with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent, you will see the last 100 posts by all accounts. You can also customize this by adding ";boards=x,y,z" on to the end, where x, y, z (and so on) are the boards you are interested in. For example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;boards=1 will show the last 100 posts in Bitcoin Discussion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;boards=7,8,57 will show the last 100 posts in Economics, Speculation and Trading Discussion.

You can also chain this together together with patrol, so for example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;boards=1;patrol will show all the posts by newbies on Bitcoin Discussion out of the last several hundred newbies posts. I'm not sure exactly how many recent newbie posts the forum keeps on file to populate this list from, but it's not a huge number (in the region of several hundred) I think, and since the vast majority of newbie posts are spamming the altcoin boards with bounty reports, then usually this will only show you a small handful of posts.

What users have to do (if they want to customize patrol page) are:
- Having a list of interest boards/ sub-boards and their identifying figures of those boards/sub-boards
- Bookmarking the customized patrol page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;boards=X
- Changing the X-value to their interest boards/ sub-boards at specific timepoints when they want to check spam posts.
Notes:
Users can includes multiple boards/ sub-boards in the customized patrol page
I listed a few boards/ sub-boards and their identifying numbers

Meta: 24
Bitcoin Discussion: 1
Altcoin Discussion: 67
Trading Discusion: 8
Gambling Discussion: 228

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Quote from: mikeywith on August 19, 2019, 08:20:50 PM

Quote from: Welsh on June 23, 2018, 05:20:45 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on June 23, 2018, 04:54:41 AM

Another thing you might mention is that you can't submit two lines in a report. One of my bad reports was a double post resulting from my submitting a partial report, because I wanted to include a qualifiction on a second line. I don't think that should have been flagged as bad, as the subject post was deleted. I

I've made that mistake a few times. It's just natural to press enter for a new line especially when you've include a link to somewhere. I'll be sure to add something like this. Thanks for the suggestion.

Any updates regarding this issue ? I just happened to hit enter twice ! ended up reporting the same post 3 times in a row, because I am way too old to learn from the first mistake, the reason I wanted a new line was to make the mod's "life easier" because I didn't want to put 2 links and some explanation in the same line so that whoever is reviewing the report can easily understand the report, and the reward I get for being nice is 2 bad reports Grin

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Not that big of a deal since my reporting accuracy is not that great anyway, but this thing is annoying to say the least.

There's a small Violentmonkey/Tampermonkey/Greasemonkey script created by Minifrij which creates textarea, adjust the rows and columns to your liking:

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/35345-replace-input-with-textarea-bitcointalk-report/code

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Quote from: mikeywith on August 19, 2019, 08:20:50 PM

Any updates regarding this issue ? I just happened to hit enter twice ! ended up reporting the same post 3 times in a row, because I am way too old to learn from the first mistake, the reason I wanted a new line was to make the mod's "life easier" because I didn't want to put 2 links and some explanation in the same line so that whoever is reviewing the report can easily understand the report, and the reward I get for being nice is 2 bad reports Grin

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Not that big of a deal since my reporting accuracy is not that great anyway, but this thing is annoying to say the least.

Thanks for the reminder I did forget about adding this to the thread. Considering there's now an infographic of this I think its about time I fix some of the issues that are present. I have been updating it from time to time, but its not been anywhere near the top of my priority list.

Added a small section about it under general advice. If anyone can link me the scripts that are available that expand the comment field that would be very much appreciated. I know they exist, but can't search them up at the moment.

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Quote from: Welsh on June 23, 2018, 05:20:45 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on June 23, 2018, 04:54:41 AM

Another thing you might mention is that you can't submit two lines in a report. One of my bad reports was a double post resulting from my submitting a partial report, because I wanted to include a qualifiction on a second line. I don't think that should have been flagged as bad, as the subject post was deleted. I

I've made that mistake a few times. It's just natural to press enter for a new line especially when you've include a link to somewhere. I'll be sure to add something like this. Thanks for the suggestion.

Any updates regarding this issue ? I just happened to hit enter twice ! ended up reporting the same post 3 times in a row, because I am way too old to learn from the first mistake, the reason I wanted a new line was to make the mod's "life easier" because I didn't want to put 2 links and some explanation in the same line so that whoever is reviewing the report can easily understand the report, and the reward I get for being nice is 2 bad reports Grin

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Not that big of a deal since my reporting accuracy is not that great anyway, but this thing is annoying to say the least.

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I definitely agree that having even a base set of guidelines for a lot of areas would be useful. The topic itself was locked from the start, usually what grabs my attention for some of these.

I appreciate the insight and discussion on this. I actually didn't assume you had handled the report. Just felt it was a good explanation to build on.

Quote from: Welsh on July 09, 2019, 02:38:27 PM

It's probably best to take the advice of those that handle reports there ~snip~

That is good advice, and will definitely keep it in mind.

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That's why I said it's barely an auction. We could do with some basic rules in that section to rule out ambiguities.

Was that topic locked from the start, or was it locked later on?

I didn't handle that report, just explained why it was handled the way it was.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on July 09, 2019, 02:30:04 PM

Thanks for the insight and opinions on this. I guess it'll be a coin flip from now on reporting there as I've had some similar reports handled as I thought they would be.

It's probably best to take the advice of those that handle reports there, and is a good example of why I don't handle reports in the auction section. In my opinion though, many users here are posting in the auction section, and digital goods or whatever just to gain more exposure. (Just like that user is doing here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51156573) I think we shouldn't quite get hung up on the technicality of using "bids", as opposed to "offers". It would be nice to have a more defined set of guidelines for this niche issue, but I guess it isn't justified.

The way the thread is worded it does sound like this is my price "x", but I'm willing to listen to best offers which to me is more suited to invites and accounts, and doesn't sound quite like an auction to me. Obviously, due to the way the report has been handled, and the difference in opinions here this is a "at mods discretion", and could vary depending on who's handling it.

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See I can understand that and am only really looking to clarify. Does using the word "bids" alone give it enough of the characteristics one would expect from even the most basic auction?

There is no end date. Bids is essentially saying OBO ( or best offer). He states he us "selling" not auctioning. The thread is locked forcing off site communication; how can people know other bids?

I honestly read it as ".015 buy it now price, but telegram me and I'll consider offers." I would argue the locking of the topic makes it not open to bids, despite the wording.

Thanks for the insight and opinions on this. I guess it'll be a coin flip from now on reporting there as I've had some similar reports handled as I thought they would be.

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It's barely an auction, but it's still technically an auction, as no (global) mod or admin has decided to designate and enforce any section-specific rules:

"Price: 0.015 BTC
Open for serious bids"

If the OP wanted to sell the account for 0.015 BTC, he wouldn't have added the part about 'serious bids'. Since he did, 0.015 BTC should be treated as a starting price of the auction.

tl;dr the report has been handled correctly.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on July 09, 2019, 03:54:52 AM

Curious on the opinions of others. I've been reporting a little in auctions whenever I browse the section, generally the reports are fine but I received a "bad" and figured I'd bring it here to discuss and give the thread a bump.

I guess it depends on the moderator dealing with it, but personally I believe that doesn't belong in the auctions section, and would have marked that good, and likely would have report it myself. As suchmoon suggests it may be because of the "bids" although I read that as open to offers more than bids. I think the auction section should be a place for threads which have a structured auction system such as bids, end time, and all that jazz.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on July 09, 2019, 03:54:52 AM

Anyone have any ideas as to what was wrong with the report? I've had others in the past moved and marked "good" so I'm not sure if it is just a one off or if this now counts as an auction.

I guess it's because it says "open for serious bids", which kinda sorta makes it an auction.

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Curious on the opinions of others. I've been reporting a little in auctions whenever I browse the section, generally the reports are fine but I received a "bad" and figured I'd bring it here to discuss and give the thread a bump.

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I am selling my Hero member account with registered email address.
Link to original is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51669376
Neutral trust rate but no negative feedback's at all.
No staked address, never banned and never requested for loan's.

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Price: 0.015 BTC
Open for serious bids

Contact me for more details on Telegram @tosall2017

Do not bother me with giving account details before purchasing. Too much people here around to give red trust
because they don't like account selling

I believe the Tag would have been "This as a sales thread not an auction and asked it to be moved to the Marketplace -> Goods - > Digital goods - > Invites and accounts"
Anyone have any ideas as to what was wrong with the report? I've had others in the past moved and marked "good" so I'm not sure if it is just a one off or if this now counts as an auction.

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Quote from: Welsh on June 26, 2019, 04:47:13 PM

I'm hoping this thread gets some visitors from users searching "report" or something like that via the search tool on Meta, as I've not been consistent in bumping this thread.

Would be nice to get some more Users that will click the " Report to Moderator button " when they just looking around on the Forum .
But the last weeks there are a few Users that started reporting .

The most problem i guess is , to get them continue reporting and keep it !

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on February 19, 2019, 05:34:34 AM

Seems no one bumping this thread. I think it should be sticked instead bumping. This is really a motivational post and especially for me. I believe few others will be motivate by reading this thread. We can cure lot of spam by using report to moderators button. To be honest lot of user don't know how to report, so this thread might help them.

I'd like to edit it a little further, and add a little more detail without it becoming too long. However, I'm not sure if this has had the impact that I wanted it too. I was hoping by giving users an idea what to report, and what to include it would reduce the attitude of "I might get it wrong and ruin my report percentage" as well as of course being a useful reference for in general.

Honestly, this thread has been pretty low on my priorities, and I haven't finished it even though I wrote this a year ago. Therefore, taking these points into consideration I'm not sure how much an impact it would have if it were stickied.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on February 19, 2019, 05:34:34 AM

@Welsh can you please move this thread on B&H board for few days and keep it up ? Perhaps new members will motivate to report spammers.

They might do, but honestly I believe its better suited here, and I'll only forget about moving it back to here, and it'll be lost in beginners, and help. I'm hoping this thread gets some visitors from users searching "report" or something like that via the search tool on Meta, as I've not been consistent in bumping this thread.

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Out-freaking-standing! I didn't know about seclog so learned something new; I changed my password a few days ago and sure enough it showed up in the log.

One quibble, though, is that entering "r=" or "/r=" (with or without quotes) into a Google site-search or the forum's native search just returns results for "R" and that, of course, is totally useless. At least it does so for me.

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Seems no one bumping this thread. I think it should be sticked instead bumping. This is really a motivational post and especially for me. I believe few others will be motivate by reading this thread. We can cure lot of spam by using report to moderators button. To be honest lot of user don't know how to report, so this thread might help them.

@Welsh can you please move this thread on B&H board for few days and keep it up ? Perhaps new members will motivate to report spammers.

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Quote from: crwth on December 06, 2018, 05:16:36 PM

I see. I appreciate your reply too.. I think it all boils down to the moderators which has the power to judge someones post and see if they needed to delete that reply or not, something like that. It cannot be considered as a plagiarism and it’s harder to catch or see. I guess people should just sometimes be aware or suspicious always in reading posts, a tickle in your instinct. Like spider sense is tingling. Lol.

I encourage merit sources or anyone rewarding merit, really to make sure that they check whether the post is plagiarism or not. I see a lot of replies that are merited, and they have just been copied, and pasted. Luckily this isn't sustainable for the user, and they usually get found out sooner rather than later. But, a few of them seem to be doing it to get to jr member, and then just spam.

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Quote from: Welsh on December 06, 2018, 10:32:13 AM

In those instances just report one of their posts, and make a reference to the others in the comment field. Whoever is handling the report can them make a decision based on what is presented. Sometimes when users leave a comment "already said multiple times in thread" or "repeated reply" or something like that the moderator dealing with it would have to look through the whole thread. Make our job easier by linking to it yourself!

I see. I appreciate your reply too.. I think it all boils down to the moderators which has the power to judge someones post and see if they needed to delete that reply or not, something like that. It cannot be considered as a plagiarism and it’s harder to catch or see. I guess people should just sometimes be aware or suspicious always in reading posts, a tickle in your instinct. Like spider sense is tingling. Lol.

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