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legendary
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That is unfortunately completely wrong. Your example password is extremely easy to crack. Password crackers nowadays don't brute-force letter by letter anymore, but are based on wordlists. They also take into consideration that people like to append special characters and numbers to the beginning or the end of the password. Humans are way too predictable to be trusted to generate randomness; this is a scientifically proven fact.

But it's not the special characters that make the difference in this example password. It's the phrase. Systems typically match words, but not phrases.
The system can combine "water" "salt" "sugar". But combining as a phrase "water" "with" "salt" "and" "sugar" is more unlikely.
Of course, this is just an example, and I'm not saying it's invalid, just that it's less likely to happen.

As you said rightly, the systems normally check letter by letter. Therefore, it is more likely to pick up a combination of random letters than a sentence that is understood by a human.

Which do you think is easier for an automatic system to find:
"1McY1aGwc8jvFtA."
or
"My2YearOldCatLikesYoWalk."

Both are equally strong, but the second option is much more difficult to be recognized by an automatic system than the first.
legendary
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I decided to compile a list of sensible advice that forum users can take to improve their privacy. More suggestions are of course welcome!
I assume that various AI programs are already mass collecting information for anything related with specific IP addresses, names, usernames and style of writing.
Anyone that is using modern smartphone is in much worse situation for privacy and Tor on Android or iOS is not as good as on regular computers, plus there are many other things smartphones record about users (like we saw in recent CM incident).
My main suggestion is to stop using smartphones and switch back to old mobile phones if you care about privacy, but if that is to drastic than use de-googled phone (GrapeheneOS is interesting).

Full IP addresses and geolocation data retained for months or even years. Your posts are [4-6] archived basically forever.
This is happening for almost all websites and forums, so it's even worse if someone used same real IP address on multiple websites.
Maybe you can add suggestion for people to use temp emails, or services that allow creation of alias and additional email addresses.
It would be perfect to self host your own email address, as we already saw how Proton mail and other ''private'' services can give all information to authorities.

Ironically: mix, tumble, CoinJoin or submarine-swap your campaign funds to a Lightning wallet. Anything that improves your on-chain privacy.
+ Joinmarket (jamapp.org)
+ Mercury wallet (second layer Bitcoin privacy)
+ Ironically XMR

For exactly this reason, I've refused physical prizes that I was offered, and never bought collectibles. It's unfortunate, but each time a "Trusted member" turns out to be a scammer I'm very happy I kept this part of my privacy.
You could eaisly use secondary accounts for purchasing stuff from forum... and I don't mean LeyoceV Mobile  Cheesy, but some random newbie account.
hero member
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Is it better idea to show your ISP that you are using Tor? Don't you think it's alarming?
Is it less alarming to show your ISP that you are using a VPN?

If we wanted to go all the way, we would also have to delete the metadatas included in the photos of the narketplace's ads posted, not use an address that has been in contact with a CEX for a signature campaign (and I imagine that this is quite often the case).
Yes, I highly recommend doing these things, I consider them standard procedure.

I think the use of real words, depending on how they are used, is a not bad model.
A machine finds random letters faster than real words. Logically it cannot be just a word or two. But, a sentence, with three or four words, can be very difficult to crack as a password.

In reality it all depends on how you build your password.
Random letters and numbers can be as easy to break as a few words together.

The suggestion I always give is to build passwords that you can memorize, but at the same time are complex.

"Waterwithsaltandsugar!1" it could be someone's password, which will be very difficult to be cracked.
Well... now it's not... it's better that no one uses it.  Roll Eyes Tongue
That is unfortunately completely wrong. Your example password is extremely easy to crack. Password crackers nowadays don't brute-force letter by letter anymore, but are based on wordlists. They also take into consideration that people like to append special characters and numbers to the beginning or the end of the password. Humans are way too predictable to be trusted to generate randomness; this is a scientifically proven fact.


Privacy is not my ultimate priority but who really needs should practice all the points mentioned by OP to achieve it.
I noticed that you are advertising for Roobet; a mostly unregulated crypto casino registered in Curacao. It may be desirable for your real identity not to be linked to Roobet, due to obvious reasons.
I understand the risk of providing KYC documents to centralized platforms but it's somehow unavoidable [...]
I was hinting at reasons privacy may be of interest to you, after all. Especially in relation to your forum profile. It is possible and maybe desirable to e.g. have and use a KYC-ed account on an exchange (although I highly advise against it) and have a completely separate online identity with no ties to that account. It is not too hard to accomplish, as I outlined in the OP.
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As people tend to have dozens to hundreds of accounts, if you can memorize all of your passwords, they are either:
Not distinct enough (i.e. not a fresh one per account)
Not independent enough (e.g. you have a 'master password' with numbers at the end or something like that)
Not random enough (e.g. you use real words)
It is not recommended to memorize all your passwords because they should be unique, complex, and random for better security. Instead, consider using a password manager to securely store and manage your passwords.
hero member
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Privacy is not my ultimate priority but who really needs should practice all the points mentioned by OP to achieve it.
I noticed that you are advertising for Roobet; a mostly unregulated crypto casino registered in Curacao. It may be desirable for your real identity not to be linked to Roobet, due to obvious reasons.

I understand the risk of providing KYC documents to centralized platforms but it's somehow unavoidable at all circumstances for instance I used to trade a lot so I don't have any other option than doing KYC verification then only I get the higher trading limits, and for casino it's almost become mandatory on every crypto casino so it's you decision whether you want to use their platform or not but I have done KYC on Roobet since I am using their service and also I can't advertise without knowing anything about the platform.
legendary
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When I started with Bitcoin, I was bright enough to use a random generator to create a username. But I now realize that isnt' enough, and I never expected to use it this long. By now I've also used it on other sites. I can't take that back without giving up everything I've done in the past 8 years, and being a Newbie again. So having a reputation doesn't go with having privacy.

I think this was one of the best sentences I've read about privacy!
Sometimes people focus a lot on privacy today, but forget what they did 10 years ago, which ends up destroying that supposed privacy.

I'm in a similar situation with you. Therefore, today I only take the measures that I think are necessary for privacy, for the level of privacy that I still manage to maintain. For the rest, I just have to be attentive and take the necessary care not to fall into schemes that could harm me.



As people tend to have dozens to hundreds of accounts, if you can memorize all of your passwords, they are either:
  • Not distinct enough (i.e. not a fresh one per account)
  • Not independent enough (e.g. you have a 'master password' with numbers at the end or something like that)
  • Not random enough (e.g. you use real words)

I may disagree with some of the points mentioned, but I think the use of real words, depending on how they are used, is a not bad model.
A machine finds random letters faster than real words. Logically it cannot be just a word or two. But, a sentence, with three or four words, can be very difficult to crack as a password.

In reality it all depends on how you build your password.
Random letters and numbers can be as easy to break as a few words together.

The suggestion I always give is to build passwords that you can memorize, but at the same time are complex.

"Waterwithsaltandsugar!1" it could be someone's password, which will be very difficult to be cracked.
Well... now it's not... it's better that no one uses it.  Roll Eyes Tongue

legendary
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In absolute terms, you should not buy or sell anything on the forum in order to protect your privacy. You don't know who you are sending your address to.
For exactly this reason, I've refused physical prizes that I was offered, and never bought collectibles. It's unfortunate, but each time a "Trusted member" turns out to be a scammer I'm very happy I kept this part of my privacy.

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I am sure that a lot of members can be already linked to a deposit/withdrawal made from a CEX via an address they posted here. Even with all the effort, the CEX will cooperate with law enforcement if necessary, and the efforts to protect themselves here will have been for nothing.
It depends on who you're hiding from. I'm not hiding from taxes, and I'm not hiding from law enforcement. But if you are, you should indeed not use any centralized service that requires your real data.
hero member
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If we wanted to go all the way, we would also have to delete the metadatas included in the photos of the narketplace's ads posted, not use an address that has been in contact with a CEX for a signature campaign (and I imagine that this is quite often the case).

In absolute terms, you should not buy or sell anything on the forum in order to protect your privacy. You don't know who you are sending your address to.

In my opinion, being careful on the forum is not especially necessary (even if I actively support the principle you defend in this post), because I am sure that a lot of members can be already linked to a deposit/withdrawal made from a CEX via an address they posted here. Even with all the effort, the CEX will cooperate with law enforcement if necessary, and the efforts to protect themselves here will have been for nothing.
legendary
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I'm nearly almost relatively 86.72% convinced that if law enforcement needed to track down a member of bitcointalk, they wouldn't need a trail of pizza-sized breadcrumbs to do it (except for Satoshi, apparently).  Nor does Chipmixer even stand out in my mind as anything special in terms of crypto debacles aside from the fact that I and many others didn't know what was *apparently* happening, or what would happen.

Part of me thinks this has become such a big deal on the forum because their signature campaign was extremely selective and had a lot of not only excellent posters but trusted members as well, and they like to see them get a sort-of comeuppance.  Like Schadenfreude, you know?

Or maybe that's me just being my misanthropic self again.  Nasty mindset to get out of, let me tell you.
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I'm not losing my account, but many people do. And when it happens, for instance because someone gains access and changes the password, it's good to have a recovery option. That's one of the reasons I staked an address.
Note that "recovery options" are often a risk factor on their own. If a service uses SMS for recovery, gaining access to your phone is enough to gain access to that service. That's why I prefer not to enable recovery options, although a signed Bitcoin message is safe enough for me. If anyone gets access to my wallet, they have access to my forum account already.
I know that many people do lose their accounts but here we talk about improved security.
If a service uses SMS for recovery, that means that you have to leak your mobile number. Yeah, it doesn't need to be actually your phone number but I would avoid it. And I don't understand how can someone gain access to your phone that way? What does SMS recovery option has to do with your phone access?

If you use bitcoin address without transactions just for signing a message, okay but if you use it for transactions, I don't think your info is safe.

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I have a lot of different passwords, strong ones with a combination of random characters, uppercases, numbers and special characters. I memorize them, type them regularly very frequently
I only remember a few passwords, but I use hundreds of different ones. Most of them look like "(f#L!{p[oKGzz[2aV$'[P6!n$", and I'm not even going to try to remember them.
That's the type of password everyone should be using. It's your choice if you try to remember them or not but believe me, if you try, that's not difficult to remember. Type that hard password frequently for months, for a year and then you'll realize that you have memorized it so well that you can type it with your eyes closed.

Tor without VPN is a bad idea, you should hide your Tor activity from your ISP. It's always good idea to use Qubes OS, a Linux distribution instead of Windows and combine it with good VPN and Tor. I'll use this moment and share a List of VPN Service Providers - 2023
A VPN is a central point of failure potential spying, so that's why I do not blanketly recommend  using VPNs. They have their use cases, but may not be a good idea for everyone.
Is it better idea to show your ISP that you are using Tor? Don't you think it's alarming? You may use tor just for your privacy but a lot of people use it for illegal activities, your ISP doesn't care what your actual purpose is, your are under their radar.
sr. member
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Forgot about Orbot that is useful if you need Tor for other things than only web browsing.

https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/
Another common mistake is using a few different passwords, and not remembering which one is used where. So when trying to get access, those people try all passwords they know  until one of them works, without realizing they've just compromised them all.
They can use password generator to have unique, fresh passwords and must be aware how weak their previous passwords are.
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Dumb question

Anyone know who to use two features on mobile
New identity: Ctrl+Shift+U
New Tor circuit for this site: Ctrl+Shift_L
The second one is important because when you use Tor, sometimes it sucks and if you close it, you lose your post content.
legendary
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As people tend to have dozens to hundreds of accounts, if you can memorize all of your passwords, they are either:
  • Not distinct enough (i.e. not a fresh one per account)
  • Not independent enough (e.g. you have a 'master password' with numbers at the end or something like that)
  • Not random enough (e.g. you use real words)
Another common mistake is using a few different passwords, and not remembering which one is used where. So when trying to get access, those people try all passwords they know  until one of them works, without realizing they've just compromised them all.
hero member
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You know what got to me? Saying ""motivated by recent events" and a straight forward list of guidance to stay anonymous in order to conduct criminal activity [emphasis mine] and pay a few bucks to a few shills so that they could defend your nefarious shenanigans for years"".
And the fact that someone else posted: "well too late  Sad "
A sad fucking emoji, really? I guess we should keep our identities safe from criminals like you guys, because your behaviour is more scary than of that of black op unit members. What is wrong with you?
You must be really biased, otherwise I see no way how you can misinterpret my reference to recent events and the topic as a whole so badly.

It's also sad to see forum members buy into this 'privacy = criminal' misinformation campaign. Privacy should be a fundamental human right for everyone. It has nothing to do with criminal activity.. sigh. Next time you are going to tell me Bitcoin is only for criminals, because it is pseudonymous? We should tie our real identities to our Bitcoin address if we have nothing to hide? Why do you use new addresses for different payments, are you a criminal?

The Privacy Culture Manifesto

should generally forget about everything that is convenient:
~snip~
This is a common fallacy. Limiting the amount of data you leak to the world is always good for your privacy; there is no black-or-white, no 'private' and 'unprivate'. The more you share, the lower your privacy; it is a gradient, a spectrum.

I don't get it, why should you lost your account? Set a difficult password, write down, type a lot of times, a lot of times that will definitely imprint it into your muscle memory and then you'll write it down with your eyes closed.
Ask the millions of people resetting passwords every day.. Wink This is also off-topic. Of course you don't need account recovery if you properly stored your password, I know. But things can go south (house burnt down, password manager hacked, whatever) and you may still have access to your Bitcoin keys. The staked address is just one extra layer of security.

Doesn't that break rule number one?
Obviously don't use an address tied to your identity. You do know you can create 'sub-wallets' under a certain seed by using derivation paths and passphrases, for instance.

Tor without VPN is a bad idea, you should hide your Tor activity from your ISP. It's always good idea to use Qubes OS, a Linux distribution instead of Windows and combine it with good VPN and Tor. I'll use this moment and share a List of VPN Service Providers - 2023
A VPN is a central point of failure potential spying, so that's why I do not blanketly recommend  using VPNs. They have their use cases, but may not be a good idea for everyone.

Newbies may not know, Tor is available for Android too.  Smiley

Download its Android version https://www.torproject.org/download/#android

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Retention /Privacy info

Delete your PMs and backup them by your own
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5284282
They're "personal messages", not "private messages". Wink
Thanks, adding this to OP!

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I have a lot of different passwords, strong ones with a combination of random characters, uppercases, numbers and special characters. I memorize them, type them regularly very frequently
I only remember a few passwords, but I use hundreds of different ones. Most of them look like "(f#L!{p[oKGzz[2aV$'[P6!n$", and I'm not even going to try to remember them.
I agree with Loyce. You should have a different password for each account and they should look like that (no regular words, no dates etc.), absolutely. As people tend to have dozens to hundreds of accounts, if you can memorize all of your passwords, they are either:
  • Not distinct enough (i.e. not a fresh one per account)
  • Not independent enough (e.g. you have a 'master password' with numbers at the end or something like that)
  • Not random enough (e.g. you use real words)
legendary
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The forum is not only central, but:

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Bitcointalk.org is in US jurisdiction, and is subject to US subpoenas, wiretap orders, preservation orders (which would negate the above retention rules), and similar. Furthermore, our service providers could also be subject to similar orders without our knowledge. Note that we consider PMs to require a warrant in order to be released.

You can read more in the privacy page https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

In short, all the data that you share here, I assume that everyone knows it, because the IP addresses, your private messages, etc. can all be reviewed by the administrators.
Using a centralized platform wallet, social media accounts, keeping cookies, javascript enable etc. are all things that help identify you.
legendary
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I tested the Tor browser, it loads this forum fast (I may update the desktop version to test it too). But one of the reasons I prefer my browser is because it does not log me out, it keeps the tabs I have opened before intact
Tor browser can do that too, but it ticks "Always use private browsing mode" by default.

I don't get it, why should you lost your account? Set a difficult password, write down, type a lot of times, a lot of times that will definitely imprint it into your muscle memory and then you'll write it down with your eyes closed.
I'm not losing my account, but many people do. And when it happens, for instance because someone gains access and changes the password, it's good to have a recovery option. That's one of the reasons I staked an address.
Note that "recovery options" are often a risk factor on their own. If a service uses SMS for recovery, gaining access to your phone is enough to gain access to that service. That's why I prefer not to enable recovery options, although a signed Bitcoin message is safe enough for me. If anyone gets access to my wallet, they have access to my forum account already.

Doesn't that break rule number one?
Stake an unused address.
sr. member
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Newbies may not know, Tor is available for Android too.  Smiley

Download its Android version https://www.torproject.org/download/#android

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Retention /Privacy info

Delete your PMs and backup them by your own
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5284282
They're "personal messages", not "private messages". Wink
legendary
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  • Do not post privately identifiable information about yourself.
  • Do not post information that ties your Bitcointalk identity to other online identities.
  • Use a dedicated Email address for your Bitcointalk account.
  • Opt into limited IP retention.
  • Use Tor Browser to access Bitcointalk.
  • Bookmark your personal Captcha Bypass URL to avoid JavaScript and connection to Google (as well as the hassle of solving those).
  • Stake your Bitcoin address for account recovery (since IP-based won't work now).
  • Ironically: mix, tumble, CoinJoin or submarine-swap your campaign funds to a Lightning wallet. Anything that improves your on-chain privacy.
Thanks for your advice, I think I've put most of your points into practice so far.
While this may seem too late for someone, it's always good reminder that privacy is important. Many people may forget that posting something detrimental to their privacy in forum is basically detrimental to them. So I think it's wise to consider not posting things that you might not want to keep forever on the internet wisely even if they don't seem that serious today.

Online wallet, one email for all services, one password for all services - this is the harsh reality of most crypto users.
You might be able to exclude some user who very care about privacy, but not about most crypto users in general.
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Your IP-address can be used for account recovery purposes. If it's no longer stored, you'll need an alternative.
I don't get it, why should you lost your account? Set a difficult password, write down, type a lot of times, a lot of times that will definitely imprint it into your muscle memory and then you'll write it down with your eyes closed.

I don't get it why it's so hard for people to memorize things, I don't think I am the only exception who can memorize things easily. I have a lot of different passwords, strong ones with a combination of random characters, uppercases, numbers and special characters. I memorize them, type them regularly very frequently and then I know it so well that I can type it very quickly with my eyes closed.
But it's okay, if people can't remember their passwords, then they shouldn't follow my advice. But they should find safer ways, i.e. write it down and save in a safe place without underlying the website this password belongs to, I wouldn't even mention that it's a password and shouldn't focus on recovery options if they want to be more anonymous.

Doesn't that break rule number one?

Tor without VPN is a bad idea, you should hide your Tor activity from your ISP. It's always good idea to use Qubes OS, a Linux distribution instead of Windows and combine it with good VPN and Tor. I'll use this moment and share a List of VPN Service Providers - 2023
legendary
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March 19, 2023, 03:41:56 PM
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Privacy is a matter of choice. You can be private in some areas and not private in some areas. It all depends on how you want it. You may as well not want to be private.

I work more on my mobile device on this forum, I tested the Tor browser, it loads this forum fast (I may update the desktop version to test it too). But one of the reasons I prefer my browser is because it does not log me out, it keeps the tabs I have opened before intact and also the dark mode. I like the dark mode at night.

But if privacy is advised on this forum, I think it is a good thing.

Ways to privacy is not easy, but people that are very rich in bitcoin or other crypto should be concerned about privacy. Nobody can be 100% private, but they may prefer to have privacy in one area or the other.
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March 19, 2023, 03:19:12 PM
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only lightning, only mixers, only a new address on every transaction. Cheesy Such sweet self-care bordering on paranoia. Smiley

Well since using lightning contradicts with privacy advices mentioned, means an obvious shill. Mixing as mentioned in OP, is good to hide campaign earnings, as advised in OP, but using change addresses is absolutely a brilliant financial security advice, don't mix them with other things, some people might be blinded by greed but they are not stupid.
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