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legendary
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Notice that the formal executive part of the government wants to overturn the ruling right away? The biggest reason for the 2nd Amendment is to arm the people to protect themselves against government.

Right now the military and the police (government mercenary agencies) have more powerful weapons than the people. Who are they going to obey if government orders them to kill people? Simply Google "police brutality" to see.

We need stronger assault weapons - full auto - to protect ourselves from the tyrants in government... or protect ourselves from criminals when government doesn't get there on time.


Federal Judge Overturns California's Ban On Assault Weapons



U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez of San Diego released a 94-page ruling late Friday, indicating California's three-decade ban on assault weapons violates the Second Amendment's right to bear arms.

"Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment. Good for both home and battle, the AR-15 is the kind of versatile gun that lies at the intersection of the kinds of firearms protected under District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) and the United States v Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)," Benitez wrote.

"Yet, the State of California makes it a crime to have an AR15 type rifle," Benitez continued. "Therefore, this Court declares the California statutes to be unconstitutional."

On several pages of the ruling, the judge recommended the rifle should be protected under the Second Amendment for its "militia readiness."

"Government is not free to impose its own new policy choices on American citizens where constitutional rights are concerned," he added. "California may certainly conceive of a policy that a modern rifle is dangerous in the hands of a criminal, and that therefore it is good public policy to keep modern rifles out of the hands of every citizen. The Second Amendment stands as a shield from government imposition of that policy."

The office of Attorney General Rob Bonta released a statement after the ruling said it would immediately appeal the decision.

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legendary
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/ar-15-guns-law-atf-invs/index.html

Very lengthy story, so I will not add the text. 

But long story short..... dude was selling home-made AR's without serial number (which is illegal)
Building your own AR without a serial number is legal, but you cannot sell or transfer.

Defense brings into question the ATF definition of firearm, which currently includes the AR15 lower receiver.  According to ATF definition, they realize the AR15 lower receiver does not technically meet the ATF definition of receiver or firearm. Judge rules as such. He's right.

ATF backs off the prosecution, fearing a decision would create a precedence declassifying AR15 lowers as firearms.

Such a long article, I don't know if he was selling the entire rifle or just the 80% lower after completion.

Selling guns shouldn't be illegal – unless it's the U.S. government selling guns to the Mecixan drug cartel – and I'm glad this man goes free. I hope it sets a precedent.

Making and selling guns in America isn't illegal.

All that needs to be done is to form a Private Membership Association, and only sell to members. However, making and selling might not be illegal outside of a PMA. It simply has to do with what you know about the REAL law, and how far you are willing to go in getting a judge indicted.

What would you indict a judge on? The primary base for the ways a judge is supposed to act with regards to any case is, the defendant is innocent until proven guilty. But most of the judges go into a hearing with the idea that the defendant is guilty. At least, that is what his words and actions seem to say and show. What that is, is the judge breaking his oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the US. He should be prosecuted into prison and fines. There is even an Alaskan Circuit Court ruling that says he should be executed if warned, and doesn't heed the warning.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/ar-15-guns-law-atf-invs/index.html

Very lengthy story, so I will not add the text. 

But long story short..... dude was selling home-made AR's without serial number (which is illegal)
Building your own AR without a serial number is legal, but you cannot sell or transfer.

Defense brings into question the ATF definition of firearm, which currently includes the AR15 lower receiver.  According to ATF definition, they realize the AR15 lower receiver does not technically meet the ATF definition of receiver or firearm. Judge rules as such. He's right.

ATF backs off the prosecution, fearing a decision would create a precedence declassifying AR15 lowers as firearms.

Such a long article, I don't know if he was selling the entire rifle or just the 80% lower after completion.

Selling guns shouldn't be illegal – unless it's the U.S. government selling guns to the Mecixan drug cartel – and I'm glad this man goes free. I hope it sets a precedent.
legendary
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no where in the 2nd amendment does it say AR15. nor a loaded AR15
absolutely no where
i can turn up to court and in a sleaveless shirt say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare arms'
but you cannot turn up to court with an AR15 say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare AR15'


Second Amendment doesn't have anything to do with it.

First Amendment has been adjudicated over and over to include the right to travel with your property.

Fourth Amendment upholds the fact that your property is your property. Hands off to others without your permission.

If you are asked by government what you are doing traveling with your AR15, loaded, your answer is:
1. Does anybody claim ownership to this, my property (show a picture of the AR15 and the rounds)?
2. No? This is my property. I don't understand your language.
3. Please present a copy of any contract I entered into that states that I will handle my property is certain ways.
4. Please prove damage that I have done with my property so that I can pay for it.
5. If you intend to steal my property, thereby breaking your Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution... your fines and jail time are listed in your legal laws, including the fact that you may no longer hold governmental office.

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This gun control issue is something that is so easy to be resolved but people in authority and their countrymen are all ignorant to the fact that these weapons could kill with a single pull of the trigger, I don't think there will be any gun control regulations that will remedy this problem because there will surely be loopholes.

Only in USA lmao.

Gun restrictions and regulations are somehow normal in different countries except USA. I will never understand their reasons regarding their gun laws
legendary
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Don't mess with Texas!

Just because Texans are getting some of their gun freedom back, doesn't mean you can go around shooting people. Punishment will become more severe if you misuse this right.


Texas Senate Approves Permitless Carry Of Handguns



House Bill 1927 passed the Republican-led Senate in an 18–13 vote following a lengthy debate and will now head back to the House to debate amendments and settle differences between the two chambers' versions. The House had passed the measure in mid-April.

Gov. Greg Abbott has previously signaled that he's supportive of such a measure and told WBAP's Rick Roberts last week that he was willing to sign it.

"Once the Senate passes it out, the House and Senate will convene and work out any differences and get it to my desk and I'll be signing it," Abbott said.

Under current Texas law, residents are required to obtain a permit to carry handguns. To obtain the permit, applicants must complete classroom training, pass a written exam, submit fingerprints, and pass a proficiency demonstration.

Republicans say the proposed law will help remove some barriers for Lone Star State residents to carry a handgun and hence save them time and money.

State Sen. Charles Schwertner previously defended the bill at a committee meeting following the House's passage of the measure.

"Right now, we have the license to carry—the LTC—and it is a hurdle for some individuals to avail themselves of their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and I think that is a hurdle that should be removed. That's what this bill does," he said.

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legendary
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Now we are getting to the point where the States are starting to shut down Federal gun control.


GOP Montana governor signs bill to protect firearm owners from federal gun restrictions



Gianforte, a Republican, posted on Twitter, "Today, I proudly signed Rep. [Jedediah] Hinkle's law prohibiting federal overreach into our Second Amendment-protected rights, including any federal ban on firearms."

"I will always protect our #2A right to keep and bear arms," he continued.

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Governor Greg Gianforte
@GovGianforte
Today, I proudly signed Rep. Hinkle's law prohibiting federal overreach into our Second Amendment-protected rights, including any federal ban on firearms.

I will always protect our #2A right to keep and bear arms.

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In Arkansas, Gov. Asa Hutchinson also signed an equivalent bill intended to protect the state’s gun owners from any new federal regulations on Friday, claiming that it would endanger police forces and the community.

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Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona also signed a similar bill early this month, which will not require constituents to comply with new national gun laws.

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This gun control issue is something that is so easy to be resolved but people in authority and their countrymen are all ignorant to the fact that these weapons could kill with a single pull of the trigger, I don't think there will be any gun control regulations that will remedy this problem because there will surely be loopholes.
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no where in the 2nd amendment does it say AR15. nor a loaded AR15
absolutely no where
i can turn up to court and in a sleaveless shirt say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare arms'
but you cannot turn up to court with an AR15 say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare AR15'


Who says that an AR15 is not an arm, or that if many people carry them, that they aren't baring arms? Actually, the 2nd Amendment agrees with this.

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It is an arm but it is not like a totally gun who can easily injured people or kill people in a large damage. I have a question, Is there any law in other country that an air soft gun can be an illegal weapon? What I mean is like a gun that can be use if you have a permit to use it.
legendary
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no where in the 2nd amendment does it say AR15. nor a loaded AR15
absolutely no where
i can turn up to court and in a sleaveless shirt say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare arms'
but you cannot turn up to court with an AR15 say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare AR15'


Who says that an AR15 is not an arm, or that if many people carry them, that they aren't baring arms? Actually, the 2nd Amendment agrees with this.

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legendary
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no where in the 2nd amendment does it say AR15. nor a loaded AR15
absolutely no where
i can turn up to court and in a sleaveless shirt say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare arms'
but you cannot turn up to court with an AR15 say 'i stand here using my 2nd amendment right to bare AR15'
legendary
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oh badecker, your a great comedian. but your law research is too much from freemans youtube videos and not enough independant research away from the freeman community.

goodluck in life. but do yourself a favour
if you ever do find yourself in court. which is obvious you have never been in one due to your lack of knowledge personally. do not in any way be trying to use freeman/karl lentz as your law expert sources.

again you dont ned to amend anything to rewrite the word
right to bare arms
to become
right to bare arms

no rewrite needed.
and nowhere does it say right to own AR15
so using your very own opinion. how is bearing an AR15 a right
your going to need a concon to make it your right to own an AR15

all i see is the right to wear sleeveless shirts when i see the word
right to bare arms

Then obey, and wear sleeveless shirts. But let those men and women who understand it to mean to carry loaded AR15s around, do what they believe. After all, that's what the 2nd Amendment essentially means... the right to bear arms... whatever you think "arms" is.

If you want to accept the meaning that some judge places on the word "arms," you have that right. It might take a court case for you to show that what you believe is what counts for you.

If they want to change the 2nd Amendment, the definitely need a ConCon.

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It should control the most important role a government of a country can control it well if the government wants it, but more difficult laws can be used for its use. Independent use can be banned so that it increases security Thinking about human safety, something new can be created.
legendary
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oh badecker, your a great comedian. but your law research is too much from freemans youtube videos and not enough independant research away from the freeman community.

goodluck in life. but do yourself a favour
if you ever do find yourself in court. which is obvious you have never been in one due to your lack of knowledge personally. do not in any way be trying to use freeman/karl lentz as your law expert sources.

again you dont ned to amend anything to rewrite the word
right to bare arms
to become
right to bare arms

no rewrite needed.
and nowhere does it say right to own AR15
so using your very own opinion. how is bearing an AR15 a right
your going to need a concon to make it your right to own an AR15

all i see is the right to wear sleeveless shirts when i see the word
right to bare arms
legendary
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But it wouldn't solve the problem. The Amendments are directed towards government, simply to make it easy for the people to hold government at bay. Private property is not annulled simply because the amendments are repealed.

comparing your stance in this topic to your driving licence topic where you dont recognise a government as a human being.. who is the bullet suppose to kill if there is no human government in your eyes

oh and playful use of words. 'hold the government' not shoot the government.
hold=in someone arms(shoulders biceps,elbows, wrists)
hold=at arms(shoulders biceps,elbows, wrists) distance

oh and it doesnt require a constitutional convention
the words are the words "bare arms".. the written words dont need to change.
so no amendment needed

now please go to a doctor and ask him while holding a gun to X-ray your arm.. i guarantee you that he aint going to scan the machine gun

That's one of the reasons why they are trying to make AI to be really alive. Then they can treat government like a human.

The point isn't whether or not I think the government is human. The point is that when an accused man stands present (unrepresented) in court, his accuser has to be a man. Why? Because he has the right to face his accuser, cross-examine him on the stand... not the accuser's attorney, not the accuser's representative... the accuser himself. It's standard law. If it is the government accusing him, get government on the stand so he can cross-examine government. And let government answer in like manner, "viva voce," just like the accused questions his accuser.

Government can't do it, because government is paperwork.

You absolutely need a ConCon to change the Amendments.

Go to the psychiatrist and ask him to examine you any way that he wants. You need it. Of course, we'll miss you in the forum.

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legendary
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But it wouldn't solve the problem. The Amendments are directed towards government, simply to make it easy for the people to hold government at bay. Private property is not annulled simply because the amendments are repealed.

comparing your stance in this topic to your driving licence topic where you dont recognise a government as a human being.. who is the bullet suppose to kill if there is no human government in your eyes

oh and playful use of words. 'hold the government' not shoot the government.
hold=in someone arms(shoulders biceps,elbows, wrists)
hold=at arms(shoulders biceps,elbows, wrists) distance

oh and it doesnt require a constitutional convention
the words are the words "bare arms".. the written words dont need to change.
so no amendment needed

now please go to a doctor and ask him while holding a gun to X-ray your arm.. i guarantee you that he aint going to scan the machine gun
legendary
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they should just change the definition of one thing.
'the right to bare arms'
to become
'the right to wear sleeveless shirts'

then the gun problems are solved... and also some office workers are not forced to wear long sleeve shirts and suits in warm summer weather

That would take a Constitutional Convention. Until then, people need to understand the meaning as the original writers meant it, as best they can.

But it wouldn't solve the problem. The Amendments are directed towards government, simply to make it easy for the people to hold government at bay. Private property is not annulled simply because the amendments are repealed.

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However things were changed the human mind changes in no time. People and governments keep on discussing, but there arises no conclusion. Yesterday on the Halloween celebration too this has gone out of control killing the life of four and so many injured. It is the mind fluctuation that takes a decision, and if that second is crossed such incidents won't occur.
legendary
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they should just change the definition of one thing.
'the right to bare arms'
to become
'the right to wear sleeveless shirts'

then the gun problems are solved... and also some office workers are not forced to wear long sleeve shirts and suits in warm summer weather
legendary
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I think if everyone want to learn on why we need gun or where do guns needed for it will be good. But it is impossible for us to know about it because everyone who have gun has a power. A power to kill a person no matter who is it. A gun can be a self defense tool but it can show us that a gun can cause some evil scenarios.

Ok fine, but doesn't any person, armed or not, have the power to kill another person? It's literally hard to find something in the house that could not be used to kill someone. You can kill a person with a corkscrew, a chainsaw, a nail gun, a glass, a screwdriver, a fork, a frying pan, a string, a baseball bat, and so on. Most of these things are close combat but it's easy to get close to someone when they're standing in a line at a store, or watching a movie in a cinema. It's the intent to kill that counts. If I wanted to I could murder my whole family while they sleep with a kitchen knife, but I don't because I'm not mentally ill. You won't change the fact that some people have murderous intent by denying everyone the right to own a firearm and statistics prove it.
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