Topic: Hacked, cracked, carded... bitcointalk - home of scumbags (Read 4363 times)
It went pretty well for a while now shit is coming back. Just waiting for a few more iffers to pop up so i can report them in a row. I like it when the first page is full of deleted threads...
Worked fine for two days, now same shit again... okay... challange accepted.
Well, it's a
well as long as "some" people dont care nothing will change. anyways i will go on.
Worked fine for two days, now same shit again... okay... challange accepted.
Well, it's a
Worked fine for two days, now same shit again... okay... challange accepted.
Grue & Cyrus (sorry, edit 2)! are now cleaning house over in digital goods. Most say "Hacked account(s)" etc etc... 
Yeah watching it. My accuracy is recovering...
Grue & Cyrus (sorry, edit 2)! are now cleaning house over in digital goods. Most say "Hacked account(s)" etc etc...
like i said, loosing a battle doesnt mean to loose the war.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
losing a battle doesn't mean to lose the war either.
Learn from your mistakes.
you lost me on this. the only thing i see are my typos
like i said, loosing a battle doesnt mean to loose the war.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
losing a battle doesn't mean to lose the war either.
Learn from your mistakes.
like i said, loosing a battle doesnt mean to loose the war.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
today a small victory, several threads had been taken down.
Exactly. And those guys are some "hackers" as well. That's the worst way to be a "hacker" - bragging about your sh*t.
funny, i reported threads where OP clearly stated they selling cracked accounts, my accuracy wents down 6%... you guys kiding me right? Okay, if the staff is cool with cracked accounts, why not just openly admit it??
so fucking lol
Those threads should be removed AFAIK. I'm not sure about invite-only sites anymore. However, if someone states that they are selling cracked accounts those should be removed. so fucking lol
i dont remember all those i reported but i can recall at least three, where i am sure about one that has been reported more than once by me.
funny, i reported threads where OP clearly stated they selling cracked accounts, my accuracy wents down 6%... you guys kiding me right? Okay, if the staff is cool with cracked accounts, why not just openly admit it??
so fucking lol
Those threads should be removed AFAIK. I'm not sure about invite-only sites anymore. However, if someone states that they are selling cracked accounts those should be removed. so fucking lol
funny, i reported threads where OP clearly stated they selling cracked accounts, my accuracy wents down 6%... you guys kiding me right? Okay, if the staff is cool with cracked accounts, why not just openly admit it??
so fucking lol
so fucking lol
Vouches from high ranked members would be the answer in my opinion. That way things would be clearer. And also answers should be given the next day not after 5 minutes which is clearly a bogus answer since in 5 minutes the product couldn't be tested. Those coffee cards for example.
to get a clear statement i wrote a pm to badbear and theymos. after looking after some old threads where the issue was discussed before i guess everything will stay as it is.
most sellers tell about their goods right away if they are cracked or not...
You could start removing threads that were "too good to be true" but then then the carders would continue to sell at shittier discounts to cover up that they are carded. The only way to stop it is to stop the demand and that doesn't seem likely to happen.
That would at least decrease the demand due to prices being less 'impressive' for users. Although you do make a good point about that one. I dislike the idea of selling stolen goods though. From a buyers perspective, if the seller doesn't scam (i.e. doesn't provide the goods at all), there is no reason to not want the goods due to the prices (if they don't care about the theft).
I think a lot of people here are okay with buying carded gift cards at massive discounts. They don't ask questions; they just want their cheap coffee. You could start removing threads that were "too good to be true" but then then the carders would continue to sell at shittier discounts to cover up that they are carded. The only way to stop it is to stop the demand and that doesn't seem likely to happen.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
Actually no. The situation currently is that we are ignoring everything for the (possibly) 1% of users that are selling legit accounts. There is no rational reason for a person to have a bulk of legit accounts (e.g. netflix) and to sell them at a price that is 90% or more lower than their actual value. We are choosing to ignore this because there is no 'hard evidence', although I'd say that we don't need it in this case and can draw to conclusion based on assumptions that are rational. Currently, if there is proof (e.g. statement that it is cracked) then the thread should be removed. There have been no changes to the policy.
But there is common sense and like you explained yourself there is no reason to sell accounts like that under priced.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
Actually no. The situation currently is that we are ignoring everything for the (possibly) 1% of users that are selling legit accounts. There is no rational reason for a person to have a bulk of legit accounts (e.g. netflix) and to sell them at a price that is 90% or more lower than their actual value. We are choosing to ignore this because there is no 'hard evidence', although I'd say that we don't need it in this case and can draw to conclusion based on assumptions that are rational. Currently, if there is proof (e.g. statement that it is cracked) then the thread should be removed. There have been no changes to the policy.
This has been something that's bugged me for quite a while. I used to give negs to people that were selling things that looked to be illigitimately gained, but there's so many of them that it's just useless. There's no enforcement of any sort of policy against this. That's one of the reasons I stopped doing escrow, who knows where the item I'm helping to sell came from.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
Why? I know some good forums that do exactly that. The name of this forum is "Bitcoin TALK"... how would this forum evolve without the section where keys/hacked accounts/etc... are sold?
This has been something that's bugged me for quite a while. I used to give negs to people that were selling things that looked to be illigitimately gained, but there's so many of them that it's just useless. There's no enforcement of any sort of policy against this. That's one of the reasons I stopped doing escrow, who knows where the item I'm helping to sell came from.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this... If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers. The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.
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Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.
Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.
Its not, its just that staff wants to stay out this. Its the same when theymos does not restore (possibly) hacked and (possibly) sold accounts to the original owner. Someone from DT might want to issue warnings against those (like Vod did for MS keys), but it will probably not stop them. Neither buyers nor sellers.
btw, as expected my reports ratings dropped a percentage point, so I got the message.
it fine if there is an official statement.
it seems it depends who works on the reports, some get taken down, others not
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Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.
Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.
Its not, its just that staff wants to stay out this. Its the same when theymos does not restore (possibly) hacked and (possibly) sold accounts to the original owner. Someone from DT might want to issue warnings against those (like Vod did for MS keys), but it will probably not stop them. Neither buyers nor sellers.
btw, as expected my reports ratings dropped a percentage point, so I got the message.
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about It's been widely stated that the forum does not moderate possible scams. So to answer your question, yes, the forum allows topic selling MSDN keys.
ill skip my comment on this....
yeah cool on that. if its what the staff says i am okay with it, obvious i have to. loosing a battle doesnt mean loosing the war.
Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about It's been widely stated that the forum does not moderate possible scams. So to answer your question, yes, the forum allows topic selling MSDN keys.
ill skip my comment on this....
I just got a statement from grue via pm regarding msdn keys:
ill skip my comment on this....
It's been widely stated that the forum does not moderate possible scams. So to answer your question, yes, the forum allows topic selling MSDN keys.
ill skip my comment on this....
just let me push this back up while waiting on some statements...
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about banning someone based on the assumption that he/she broke the service's(unrelated to bitcointalk) TOS. Bannable offense that is , my young padawan /sarcasmmexxer you got something wrong, i never asked or assumed to ban people
The tough question though - which I might have overlooked in my enthusiasm earlier - is where is the border? 80% discount is probably carded, how about 50%, 20%, 12.499999%?
You asked hilarious if they think an 80% discount is legit, but ignored their question about where the cut off point is between obviously carded and quicksale. The board will most likely stay as it is, if its obviously illegal (fake IDs) it will be removed, if its borderline (99.79% discount) it will stay.
okay i thought in one of my messages i wrote: if i want to sell something because i have it around but dont need it or need quick bucks, i might give an awesome discount (like 80%). but this wont work on hundreds of accounts. even if you are a reseller of whatsover you wont be able to provide endless awesome discounts on accs but you might be able to show some proof.
dont get me wrong, i like cheap stuff too but like i said before numerous times: 3$ on a netflix lifetime acc? NO WAY. I also not saying to kick anything in question that might be not legit, i would be happy with those that are obvious.
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about banning someone based on the assumption that he/she broke the service's(unrelated to bitcointalk) TOS. Bannable offense that is , my young padawan /sarcasmmexxer you got something wrong, i never asked or assumed to ban people
The tough question though - which I might have overlooked in my enthusiasm earlier - is where is the border? 80% discount is probably carded, how about 50%, 20%, 12.499999%?
You asked hilarious if they think an 80% discount is legit, but ignored their question about where the cut off point is between obviously carded and quicksale. The board will most likely stay as it is, if its obviously illegal (fake IDs) it will be removed, if its borderline (99.79% discount) it will stay.
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about banning someone based on the assumption that he/she broke the service's(unrelated to bitcointalk) TOS. Bannable offense that is , my young padawan /sarcasmmexxer you got something wrong, i never asked or assumed to ban people
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
Yup, you're not. You're talking about banning someone based on the assumption that he/she broke the service's(unrelated to bitcointalk) TOS. Bannable offense that is , my young padawan /sarcasm -snip-
Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.
Ofc, this is all just imho.
tl;dr might make my point about those points later. Considering you want an official statement from the(an) admin:Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.
Ofc, this is all just imho.
BB's say on the matter: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11094395
(That quote is coming in handy)As for banning every user for suspicion of doing something illegal , I say (coming up with a nice word to put this->Results not found-> Using passive-aggressive tone) bullcrap. If they openly describe it as being carded or illegal, then their thread should be deleted, a ban is not an answer. The thread I pointed out(earlier), an improvement on the guidelines(the one from theymos) might be better in this case IMO. But as it goes, until you don't create enough drama to get the attention of admins, rules stay as they are.
Hilarious' say on the matter, below BB's post is also something you should take in mind
again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.
if there is a posting for admins saying something like: "we dont care about people selling stolen stuff on here" i will just not look at the sections again or think about leaving the community. i dont care about the ongoing scams and i am not talking about scams.
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Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.
Ofc, this is all just imho.
tl;dr might make my point about those points later. Considering you want an official statement from the(an) admin:Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.
Ofc, this is all just imho.
BB's say on the matter: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11094395
(That quote is coming in handy)As for banning every user for suspicion of doing something illegal , I say (coming up with a nice word to put this->Results not found-> Using passive-aggressive tone) bullcrap. If they openly describe it as being carded or illegal, then their thread should be deleted, a ban is not an answer. The thread I pointed out(earlier), an improvement on the guidelines(the one from theymos) might be better in this case IMO. But as it goes, until you don't create enough drama to get the attention of admins, rules stay as they are.
Hilarious' say on the matter, below BB's post is also something you should take in mind
like i asked in my pms to you, this basicly mean staff will not do anything about it if people start to trade obvious realted CP stuff
No, it really doesn't and comparing child pornography to a hacked or shared account is ridiculous as is complaining that allowing such sales on a mere forum is going to tarnish the entire currency. You can just as easily buy these accounts with Paypal or whatever on other forums but I guess it's down to whether theymos wants the activity here and that's up to him but needs to be clarified.
beacause "no one can determine if it is a scam or illegal somewhere on the globe"? come on guys, thats just a lame excuse.
It has long been the rule that staff do not moderate scams or potential ones so I don't know why this is such a pressing issue for you but I'm more concerned about consistency. If it's deemed that we should remove them then I will but there needs to be consensus about what sort of threads get removed or not and staff all need to be on the same page whether we like the rule or not as we can't have one or two staff members deciding they don't like certain threads and removing the little amount they can whilst others ignore them and go by the existing rules. It just causes more problems and issues otherwise (just look at the threads we've already had in Meta today and the numerous people who have been complaining to me via PMs because they've had their threads removed whilst others haven't).
again, 100% of the sellers are not BiPolarBob and while typing this you knew exactly there is a huge difference between him and those offers.
They might not be bipolarbob but people were complaining his deals were too good to be true and must be illegal but it looks like they weren't so do we trash those type of threads as well or do you just have issue with people selling accounts that are likely hacked or shared ? If so, why? Do we disallow anyone selling various giftcodes with discounts too? A lot might be carded or obtained nefariously but many others won't be but how can we tell? And that's why it's not always black and white and why we generally leave scams alone but if the admins want to change or amend the rules then I'm open to it but all the mods need to follow the rules set out currently as it's going to be messy otherwise.
1) its i not ridiculous, illeagal stays illegal, paint it blue or red, still illegal. its that simple. Like i said, i am not complaining about illegal activitys going on on darknet webistes or at habbo, i am talking about those happening here. Wrong is wrong, thats always the way it has been.
2) I dont complaining about obvious scams, i do about obvious illegal activitys like selling hacked or carded stuff. If scamming isnt a real problem around here why do we have a section for accusations of it?
3) I have an issue with it because its falling back on this entire community. Just because something wrong is ongoing for a long time its a reson to allow it happen in the future? I have a problem seeing trades ongoing where seller put in hacked, carded and stolen stuff. Your mind would probably change if one of the accounts you own gets sold somewhere online putting you into deep shit. Its not a question of moral its just about wrong and right. Two options: the forum allows illegal stuff and we all dont care or it does not. Why always hiding in the grey area? Its to easy to hide behind the bipolarbob example...
4) Simple questions, try to reply honestly. Try to use just yes or no:
Do you think a 3$ lifetime netflix acc is legal?
Do you think an acc gen granting access to 70 sites is legal?
Do you think selling an item 80% of the regular price is legit?
If i have something here i dont need but i need money urgent, i might sell it off cheap because i am in need. But no one has hundreds off accounts around for the same sites. This cant be legit. Even if you are a reseller. Hiding behind a logic of: yes that might be possible, it has always been that way is just same lame, lazy bullshit excuse.
Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.
Ofc, this is all just imho.
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like i asked in my pms to you, this basicly mean staff will not do anything about it if people start to trade obvious realted CP stuff
No, it really doesn't and comparing child pornography to a hacked or shared account is ridiculous as is complaining that allowing such sales on a mere forum is going to tarnish the entire currency. You can just as easily buy these accounts with Paypal or whatever on other forums but I guess it's down to whether theymos wants the activity here and that's up to him but needs to be clarified.
beacause "no one can determine if it is a scam or illegal somewhere on the globe"? come on guys, thats just a lame excuse.
It has long been the rule that staff do not moderate scams or potential ones so I don't know why this is such a pressing issue for you but I'm more concerned about consistency. If it's deemed that we should remove them then I will but there needs to be consensus about what sort of threads get removed or not and staff all need to be on the same page whether we like the rule or not as we can't have one or two staff members deciding they don't like certain threads and removing the little amount they can whilst others ignore them and go by the existing rules. It just causes more problems and issues otherwise (just look at the threads we've already had in Meta today and the numerous people who have been complaining to me via PMs because they've had their threads removed whilst others haven't).
again, 100% of the sellers are not BiPolarBob and while typing this you knew exactly there is a huge difference between him and those offers.
They might not be bipolarbob but people were complaining his deals were too good to be true and must be illegal but it looks like they weren't so do we trash those type of threads as well or do you just have issue with people selling accounts that are likely hacked or shared ? If so, why? Do we disallow anyone selling various giftcodes with discounts too? A lot might be carded or obtained nefariously but many others won't be but how can we tell? And that's why it's not always black and white and why we generally leave scams alone but if the admins want to change or amend the rules then I'm open to it but all the mods need to follow the rules set out currently as it's going to be messy otherwise.
Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately) will not change here... so let's move on .
Yes they will; starting with me. These accounts fall under rule 17. I'll delete any threads that I see/can delete..According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.
Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
Unfortunately I can not moderate members of higher hanks there at this time. Any reported threads started by newbies will be removed. 99% of those threads that sell accounts for very cheap are hacked/stolen and thus illegal. It is time that we cleared this place out.Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
That's too complicated for a big userbase. It would be best to "reinstate" the rule against these accounts; he posted about it somewhere. Don't you think you should check with theymos first before taking things into your own hands and going renegade? Why are you going to trash all threads by newbie accounts but not going to do anything about the rule mexxer linked to? Isn't your idea of trashing all these threads going to be 'too complicated for a big userbase'? And what threads are you going to trash or not? Just people selling Hulu/Netflix accounts very cheaply or torrent invites and gift codes etc as well? Would you trash bipolarbob's threads? Are you going to trash a newbie's thread if he offers an Amazon voucher for 70% off? 60% off? 50% off? Where's the cut off point? Remember, we don't moderate scams because of the difficulty in doing so and the problems that arise from it but there needs to be a consensus among Staff about what theads will get removed or they are left be unless there is sufficient proof that they are illegal because all it will do is cause confusion and people will complain about double standards. I have previously only really trashed threads if they explicitly state that they're hacked or cracked etc but it's not going to do any good if there's no consistency and only you or a couple of staff are trashing threads by newbies whilst everyone else's are left alone. I'm all for cleaning this place up and wouldn't be against removing stuff that are almost certainly hacked/cracked/obtained fradulently etc and welcome some dialogue between staff about what should and shouldn't be allowed here but at the moment it isn't going to do any good if you're the only person removing threads by newbies.
like i asked in my pms to you, this basicly mean staff will not do anything about it if people start to trade obvious realted CP stuff beacause "no one can determine if it is a scam or illegal somewhere on the globe"? come on guys, thats just a lame excuse. again, 100% of the sellers are not BiPolarBob and while typing this you knew exactly there is a huge difference between him and those offers. Tell people about bitcointalk, let em browse the site and ask them what they think, they will tell you: oh thats the place where you can inform yourself but mostly buy cheap access to paid services sites. and you guys ask yourself why btc and btc related stuff is not taken serious?? there a plenty of place in the web where stuff like this can be traded, but not here.
if you really tell me its hard to decide if a netflix acc for 3$ is legit or not i better dont write what i think about a statement like this..... again i welcome everyone to explain me how this can be legit.
i beg on my knees, please proof me wrong!
i assume staff and administration should talk about this and get a out a clear statement about this. shouldnt be that hard, eh?
Or bought with a stolen credit/debit card.
In that case it is even worse.It's really a 'big problem' 
That depends. Do you want to make this forum a nest for hackers and associate Bitcoin with them? If so, then there is no problem at all. I don't want, why should I ?
I might have incorrectly expressed myself here (it's still too early for me). If there are indications that the goods are stolen/hacked then I will remove them until there's some official clarification (around here).
Oh ok, now it's more clear.
Or bought with a stolen credit/debit card.
In that case it is even worse.It's really a 'big problem'
That depends. Do you want to make this forum a nest for hackers and associate Bitcoin with them? If so, then there is no problem at all. I might have incorrectly expressed myself here (it's still too early for me). If there are indications that the goods are stolen/hacked then I will remove them until there's some official clarification (around here). I have only deleted a very small number of them (most were duplicates by the same seller though).
Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately) will not change here... so let's move on .
Yes they will; starting with me. These accounts fall under rule 17. I'll delete any threads that I see/can delete..According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.
Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
Unfortunately I can not moderate members of higher hanks there at this time. Any reported threads started by newbies will be removed. 99% of those threads that sell accounts for very cheap are hacked/stolen and thus illegal. It is time that we cleared this place out.Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
That's too complicated for a big userbase. It would be best to "reinstate" the rule against these accounts; he posted about it somewhere. So depends only on the account who opened the thread.
It's really a 'big problem'
I reported all theads bumped (or posted in or created) today in that fashion. As always, act on the reports or label them invalid so I know Im wasting my time with them. Even with my report numbers a few bad reports should drop me a percent.
IMO when someone is selling accounts at a 90% or higher discount than their subscription it is hacked/stolen 99% of the time. I've noticed your reports and will only handle those where it is obvious that they are stolen/hacked until we get a statement on the forums as well. e.g. One of your reports contains a seller selling Brazzer accounts for ~5$; that subscription is worth over $100. Or bought with a stolen credit/debit card.
I reported all theads bumped (or posted in or created) today in that fashion. As always, act on the reports or label them invalid so I know Im wasting my time with them. Even with my report numbers a few bad reports should drop me a percent.
IMO when someone is selling accounts at a 90% or higher discount than their subscription it is hacked/stolen 99% of the time. I've noticed your reports and will only handle those where it is obvious that they are stolen/hacked until we get a statement on the forums as well. e.g. One of your reports contains a seller selling Brazzer accounts for ~5$; that subscription is worth over $100. 
Don't you think you should check with theymos first before taking things into your own hands and going renegade?
This is why you need to join us on IRC. I have previously only really trashed threads if they explicitly state that they're hacked or cracked etc but it's not going to do any good if there's no consistency and only you or a couple of staff are trashing threads by newbies whilst everyone else's are left alone.
I have only removed those that seemed like they were illegal (e.g. "they're hacked accounts"; "don't change password"). Besides, it is pretty obvious if someone is selling yearly subscriptions for a few dollars. If it was legal, they'd be rich by now. I reported all theads bumped (or posted in or created) today in that fashion. As always, act on the reports or label them invalid so I know Im wasting my time with them. Even with my report numbers a few bad reports should drop me a percent.
Don't you think you should check with theymos first before taking things into your own hands and going renegade?
This is why you need to join us on IRC. I have previously only really trashed threads if they explicitly state that they're hacked or cracked etc but it's not going to do any good if there's no consistency and only you or a couple of staff are trashing threads by newbies whilst everyone else's are left alone.
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Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately) will not change here... so let's move on .
Yes they will; starting with me. These accounts fall under rule 17. I'll delete any threads that I see/can delete..According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.
Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
Unfortunately I can not moderate members of higher hanks there at this time. Any reported threads started by newbies will be removed. 99% of those threads that sell accounts for very cheap are hacked/stolen and thus illegal. It is time that we cleared this place out.Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
That's too complicated for a big userbase. It would be best to "reinstate" the rule against these accounts; he posted about it somewhere. Don't you think you should check with theymos first before taking things into your own hands and going renegade? Why are you going to trash all threads by newbie accounts but not going to do anything about the rule mexxer linked to? Isn't your idea of trashing all these threads going to be 'too complicated for a big userbase'? And what threads are you going to trash or not? Just people selling Hulu/Netflix accounts very cheaply or torrent invites and gift codes etc as well? Would you trash bipolarbob's threads? Are you going to trash a newbie's thread if he offers an Amazon voucher for 70% off? 60% off? 50% off? Where's the cut off point? Remember, we don't moderate scams because of the difficulty in doing so and the problems that arise from it but there needs to be a consensus among Staff about what theads will get removed or they are left be unless there is sufficient proof that they are illegal because all it will do is cause confusion and people will complain about double standards. I have previously only really trashed threads if they explicitly state that they're hacked or cracked etc but it's not going to do any good if there's no consistency and only you or a couple of staff are trashing threads by newbies whilst everyone else's are left alone. I'm all for cleaning this place up and wouldn't be against removing stuff that are almost certainly hacked/cracked/obtained fradulently etc and welcome some dialogue between staff about what should and shouldn't be allowed here but at the moment it isn't going to do any good if you're the only person removing threads by newbies.
Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately) will not change here... so let's move on .
Yes they will; starting with me. These accounts fall under rule 17. I'll delete any threads that I see/can delete..According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.
Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
Unfortunately I can not moderate members of higher hanks there at this time. Any reported threads started by newbies will be removed. 99% of those threads that sell accounts for very cheap are hacked/stolen and thus illegal. It is time that we cleared this place out.Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
That's too complicated for a big userbase. It would be best to "reinstate" the rule against these accounts; he posted about it somewhere. The problem is guessing and the discussion about it. A netflix or hulu acc for 3$ cant be legit. Please proof me wrong.
Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately) will not change here... so let's move on
. The problem is guessing and the discussion about it. A netflix or hulu acc for 3$ cant be legit. Please proof me wrong.
No its not, I mediated a scam accusation a while back and the password for the account in question was also a password commonly found (as in several times) in e.g. the web000 database dump. They are either obtained via phishing or because of weak password. Most of the sellers even advise you not to change the password, which should make you cancel the deal immediately. People are greedy though and in their eyes they only steal from the big companies so there is no harm done. This is nothing new, the only new part is that these keys/passwords are now resold for bitcoin. The question is whether or not theymos wants something to be done about it. IMHO it easily falls under the "illegal goods" rule same as fake IDs or funny money.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
Its too specific about invites to be applied here.
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there?Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
For me, I'm not going to risk it.
/thread
Ah okay. I was just speaking in general
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there?Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
For me, I'm not going to risk it.
/thread
The problem is guessing and the discussion about it. A netflix or hulu acc for 3$ cant be legit. Please proof me wrong.
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
That post is too vague and selling invites is only a part of the problem
I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?
As long as you report them and they are obviously hacked/cracked/stolen then it is highly likely that they are going to be removed. I remove after I see a reported thread. There isn't a fixed rule in regards to this.
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17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden.
it is indirectly affected by this rule. Such accounts are illegal everywhere. We'll have to wait for theymos to make a statement in regards to this (there have been some in the past). According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.
@Minifrij i might be wrong on this but what bob does is not the common rule. He gives away stuff without asking for something or if he asks people know already there is some kind of reward. I like bob but the digital good section is not full of bobs giving away "expensive" stuff for for cheap because they want other people to jerk off without getting poor. Thats a fact and that logic works perfect in life. But please proof i am wrong.
Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.
Trying to determine whether things are legal or not by the logic of "It's too good to be true" doesn't work. Let's use BiPolarBob for example. He gives out completely legitimate giftcards for free or a fraction of the price; all of the nice things he has done would have made him a prime target to be a 'scammer' by your logic, rather than being praised. Sometimes deals are too good to be true, despite being legitimate.
As has been said earlier, the reason these items/deals still exist is due to there being a market for them. If you educate people on the risks of such deals rather than moaning about it here you would probably get more done towards your goal. Remove the demand and the people selling will reduce.
As has been said earlier, the reason these items/deals still exist is due to there being a market for them. If you educate people on the risks of such deals rather than moaning about it here you would probably get more done towards your goal. Remove the demand and the people selling will reduce.
selling stolen stuff are different from running ponzi/scamming.
They still are classed as scams by the community most of the times. The staff don't moderate scams, and they aren't about to start.Um, yes you could buy it and find out when the gift card gets canceled or the cops show up at your door.
Unless you're the one carding them, the cops wouldn't be interested in you for having a carded account.
As long as you report them and they are obviously hacked/cracked/stolen then it is highly likely that they are going to be removed. I remove after I see a reported thread. There isn't a fixed rule in regards to this.
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17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden.
it is indirectly affected by this rule. Such accounts are illegal everywhere. We'll have to wait for theymos to make a statement in regards to this (there have been some in the past). ^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there?Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
For me, I'm not going to risk it.
/thread
Of course everyone is mostly right but it still doesnt change the forum rules.
I really dont recall any scams that got busted by the forum staff (in the last 2 years)
It is usually the community itself that makes it public and the perpetrator gets negative trust.
I really dont recall any scams that got busted by the forum staff (in the last 2 years)
It is usually the community itself that makes it public and the perpetrator gets negative trust.
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there?Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
For me, I'm not going to risk it.
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there?Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
it is, as their tos (haha sooo funny) sometimes states: you are not allowed to change any account related data. just as an example
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
even if it is probably is too good to be true, there is probably no way to find out is there? Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
if someone is selling an account for some pornsite at 2$ while its actually worth 24.95$ and they get asked: "are those accounts hacked?" they reply, most of the time "normal accounts wouldnt be that cheap" so its pretty obvious. some mebers sometimes even write it in their threads right away...
question is, as always: why is someone selling something for a certain price that is normaly worth 10 times of what they ask for.
question is, as always: why is someone selling something for a certain price that is normaly worth 10 times of what they ask for.
^^All those people who sell Starbucks and similar gift cards at like 50% of their value--those have absolutely got to be stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. Anything that looks too good to be true probably is and there are so many things for sale on this forum that look way, waaaay too good to be true.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
Edite to add: Whoops, I mean to point the arrows at Jhanza's reply.
Self declared carders etc usually do get extinguished. As for everything else there seems to be an ask no questions type of policy.
sup,
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
Forum doesnt moderate scams. You never saw the ponzi sub?
selling stolen stuff are different from running ponzi/scamming.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to know for sure which of the stuff on sale on the marketplace is stolen/hacked, but I know that they're not allowed according to the rules.
sup,
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
Forum doesnt moderate scams. You never saw the ponzi sub?
not all members but a lot
Whywefight, you've been here longer than I have so it shouldn't come as a surprise about any of this. We kind of have to take matters into our own hands sometimes when it comes to scams and illegal business. The illegal stuff can't be sold if no one buys it, so we have to make this place inhospitable to the carders/hackers/crackers.
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
how long has it been since you reported the thread or post? sometimes mods ignore report, yes there is such a function, and may later come back to it. don't get me started on the mods, apparently one of my last post was offtopic and I lose 14 activity, some mods are friendly though. michell is mostly online along wth cyrus. they are possibly the only ones who will reply. hilarious is~ a douchebag~ever since he became a global mod.
idk what i'm supposed to make of the rest of the post. but even though illegal things are banned according to theymos. even invites and stuff that are hacked are allowed. the rules here are just dumb
sup,
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
by looking at the digital goods section i see a ton of "stuff" (most likley accounts) that were somehow obtained in a non legal way. just for the fun i reported 3 of those theads, nothing happend. i contacted a mod, twice, no reply.
So i think its okay selling stolen stuff on bitcointalk, while half of the forum is crying about getting scammed when dealing with other people. seems legit. in my opinion its pretty clear why this forum is full of scum, because we dont do anything about it.
i am not complaining, i just had the feeling i would feel better when i post about it.
greetings
EDIT: and yes i tried to get a vouch copy on one of that offers to see what will happen. i also contact a stupid seller that posted an account password to see how he would react. of course, nothing happend.
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