Topic: Sales of accounts and invites to invite-only sites (Read 13509 times)

I actually agree that the sales here are probably illegal in some places. However, illegal doesn't automatically equal bad, and it's obvious no one cares about the legality of these sales, so... why do you?

signing a treaty doesn't mean shit, until it is enacted into local law.

edit: I'm not a lawyer, so what I say means shit also.

What's worse than a troll is a vampire....

It's not that you can't judge a currency based off what it's spent on, but that you shouldn't. The problem is that people will do just that when they're looking for any reason to try and take Bitcoin out before it grows bigger. It could also scare off any new users who don't want to get mixed up in anything that seems shady.

It's already an uphill battle, so why make it harder?

Lol you cant judge a currency based off what its spent on, that's like saying you wont ever use the $1 USD because most of them have been inside strippers thongs and tits (which I'm sure some have STD's), used to snort cocaine, and various pills.

Shep, you're a liar. As of right now in USA breaking TOS isn't illegal.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in limiting reach of the CFAA, said that violations of employee contract agreements and websites’ terms of service were better left to civil lawsuits.

This was a harassment by a operator (or a closely related person) of one of these illegal websites.

Which also makes TN banking of sharing netflix illegal questionable now.

Admin and staff were first approached December 21, 2012 regarding the topic of illegal sales of hacked/compromised accounts and illegal secondary sales of unauthorized transfers of accounts based on provisional access to database services.  Over the past 18 days individual staff have been approached top to bottom including developers.  Nobody wants to challenge Theymos on this issue which he would prefer to ignore, nor does anyone want to clean up this mess before it spirals out of control and harms the reputation of the currency and this forum. I've provided enough evidence publicly and privately to indicate an issue persists. I'm not going to stick around and continue to defend the best interests of the currency or the forum in this thread if none of the staff or development team want any real change to occur. It's pointless to do so. I'm also not going to stick around while mods ignore continued defamation. I only hope that enemies of the currency don't use this unresolved issue as ammunition, I would be deeply saddened if that happened.

I'm done with this thread.

two questions:

1) Are you a lawyer?
2) Are you being compensated in any tangible way for your activities on Bitcointalk.org?

Libel? LOL. You already did that a bunch of posts ago.

And why do you need to do database administration? I googled "shep and nzb".

Oh that is your actual email address. I simply showed it as an example... LOL.

Now you did two accusations against me:

a) I got paid by someone to argue with you.
b) I hacked some random website to put your email address in...

Keep these coming, they're comical

As stated before I am unaffiliated with nzb sites. The treaty does indicate that unauthorized transfers of credentials or access codes are in fact illegal without explicit permission of the site owner or institution that granted provisional access for those credentials. That proof was given here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1435482


Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)

So you're claiming that I'm a thief without any proof. I'm confused, isn't that why you're claiming I should be banned?
You seem to throw out a lot of insults, vulgarities, and show open hostility.  You don't appear capable of engaging in civil discussion.

You have previously stated and claimed that torrent and nzb sites are illegal, you even went so far as to point to information which may be posted on gingadaddy that supported your argument.  If the site in question which you posted to does contain illegal information and is not DMCA compliant then that supports a position for not allowing sales of credentials or invites. Associating Bitcoin and this website with illegal sales of unauthorized credentials and access codes or other activity only harms the reputation of the site and the currency. Those sales may occur elsewhere, but they shouldn't occur here on the semi-official forum of bitcoin.

You seem to ignore your own supporting argument.  Here let me remind you since you seem to have a very short memory.




I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.


Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

 

I've already answered that question, I'll repost the answer.


Also these posts were relevant to me bringing this issue of illegal sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials to light.

That's why MariusTi's threads are locked. Supernatural has proved to theymos that he's selling his own farmed accounts, and not hacked accounts. You'll have to prove to theymos otherwise in this issue.

May I ask which torrenting/usenet sites you're affiliated with? You have been actively pushing this agenda against the sale of invites since the early days of your account. Are you picketing at invite trading sites too?

We've already established that unauthorized sales of access codes (invites) and credentials are illegal in most nations. Let's try and overlook that these sales are illegal.

I thought the point of this thread was not allowing for "banned" users from torrentinvites.org to sell here. Marius is banned on torrentinvites.org.  He is also banned on invitescene.com

If your vouching system relies on another forum to check its users for AE, and they fail to verify their users, then the policy here doesn't do much to stop hackers, scammers, or disreputable sellers does it?

Having multiple accounts is not an offense here. In fact, many users have well-known alternate accounts.

Mods there appears to be suspicious association between the user "MariusTi" and user "supernatural".  Unlike Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") who I have a wealth of information on, I can not guarantee that "MariusTi" and "supernatural" are the same user.  It is possible they could be two different users in the same region.  Please investigate old IP logs.  "supernatural" may be using Romanian ISP, RCS & RDS SA.

I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Until you prove it's illegal, you can just get lost. You jumped directly to these threads after signup. You're familiar with these sites and you defend them.

As far as I am concern you're a thief.