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legendary
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A question, I can sell my Steam account here? I'm lost between so legal terms. It's legit and personal.

There are no restrictions on selling Steam accounts. If the account is really yours and wasn't obtained illegally, you can sell it in Invites & Accounts board. If you are found to be selling a hacked account, you will be banned though.
Ok. Thanks for your answer Cheesy. My Steam account is legit anyway.

Your account maybe legit but selling Steam accounts are not allowed and it is an illegal activity. So i am not sure if selling steam account should be allowed on this forum. Even if it is allowed, you may not find many buyers on this platform.
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Selling gaming accounts, including Steam accounts, is not legal as it goes against the Terms of Service of most gaming platforms. Account trading is considered an illegal practice that can result in the suspension or banning of the account. It is always recommended to adhere to the platform’s terms and conditions and not engage in such activities.

However, there are some marketplaces dedicated for gaming accounts and there you may get a better response. You can check the PlayerAuctions, G2G, EpicNPC and other platforms for this purpose.

jr. member
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A question, I can sell my Steam account here? I'm lost between so legal terms. It's legit and personal.

There are no restrictions on selling Steam accounts. If the account is really yours and wasn't obtained illegally, you can sell it in Invites & Accounts board. If you are found to be selling a hacked account, you will be banned though.
Ok. Thanks for your answer Cheesy. My Steam account is legit anyway.
copper member
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Hard question, how would the forum decide that it was a hacked account. No mod or perhaps a forum member will not going to investigate. If they want, they would not have data and resources to verify it.
The Emphasis are mostly on accounts of service that require KYC verification. The logic is if buying and selling of verified accounts can encourage account hacking and Identity theft so anyone engaging in trading of such accounts should be banned. Now I don't know much about Steam accounts, but I believe there is no KYC required for one to have an account
legendary
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A question, I can sell my Steam account here? I'm lost between so legal terms. It's legit and personal.

There are no restrictions on selling Steam accounts. If the account is really yours and wasn't obtained illegally, you can sell it in Invites & Accounts board. If you are found to be selling a hacked account, you will be banned though.
Hard question, how would the forum decide that it was a hacked account. No mod or perhaps a forum member will not going to investigate. If they want, they would not have data and resources to verify it.
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staff
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A question, I can sell my Steam account here? I'm lost between so legal terms. It's legit and personal.

There are no restrictions on selling Steam accounts. If the account is really yours and wasn't obtained illegally, you can sell it in Invites & Accounts board. If you are found to be selling a hacked account, you will be banned though.
jr. member
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A question, I can sell my Steam account here? I'm lost between so legal terms. It's legit and personal.
legendary
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signing a treaty doesn't mean shit, until it is enacted into local law.

edit: I'm not a lawyer, so what I say means shit also.
hero member
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Admin and staff were first approached December 21, 2012 regarding the topic of illegal sales of hacked/compromised accounts and illegal secondary sales of unauthorized transfers of accounts based on provisional access to database services.  Over the past 18 days individual staff have been approached top to bottom including developers.  Nobody wants to challenge Theymos on this issue which he would prefer to ignore, nor does anyone want to clean up this mess before it spirals out of control and harms the reputation of the currency and this forum. I've provided enough evidence publicly and privately to indicate an issue persists. I'm not going to stick around and continue to defend the best interests of the currency or the forum in this thread if none of the staff or development team want any real change to occur. It's pointless to do so. I'm also not going to stick around while mods ignore continued defamation. I only hope that enemies of the currency don't use this unresolved issue as ammunition, I would be deeply saddened if that happened.

I'm done with this thread.


Lol you cant judge a currency based off what its spent on, that's like saying you wont ever use the $1 USD because most of them have been inside strippers thongs and tits (which I'm sure some have STD's), used to snort cocaine, and various pills.

It's not that you can't judge a currency based off what it's spent on, but that you shouldn't. The problem is that people will do just that when they're looking for any reason to try and take Bitcoin out before it grows bigger. It could also scare off any new users who don't want to get mixed up in anything that seems shady.

It's already an uphill battle, so why make it harder?
legendary
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Admin and staff were first approached December 21, 2012 regarding the topic of illegal sales of hacked/compromised accounts and illegal secondary sales of unauthorized transfers of accounts based on provisional access to database services.  Over the past 18 days individual staff have been approached top to bottom including developers.  Nobody wants to challenge Theymos on this issue which he would prefer to ignore, nor does anyone want to clean up this mess before it spirals out of control and harms the reputation of the currency and this forum. I've provided enough evidence publicly and privately to indicate an issue persists. I'm not going to stick around and continue to defend the best interests of the currency or the forum in this thread if none of the staff or development team want any real change to occur. It's pointless to do so. I'm also not going to stick around while mods ignore continued defamation. I only hope that enemies of the currency don't use this unresolved issue as ammunition, I would be deeply saddened if that happened.

I'm done with this thread.


Lol you cant judge a currency based off what its spent on, that's like saying you wont ever use the $1 USD because most of them have been inside strippers thongs and tits (which I'm sure some have STD's), used to snort cocaine, and various pills.
hero member
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Admin and staff were first approached December 21, 2012 regarding the topic of illegal sales of hacked/compromised accounts and illegal secondary sales of unauthorized transfers of accounts based on provisional access to database services.  Over the past 18 days individual staff have been approached top to bottom including developers.  Nobody wants to challenge Theymos on this issue which he would prefer to ignore, nor does anyone want to clean up this mess before it spirals out of control and harms the reputation of the currency and this forum. I've provided enough evidence publicly and privately to indicate an issue persists. I'm not going to stick around and continue to defend the best interests of the currency or the forum in this thread if none of the staff or development team want any real change to occur. It's pointless to do so. I'm also not going to stick around while mods ignore continued defamation. I only hope that enemies of the currency don't use this unresolved issue as ammunition, I would be deeply saddened if that happened.

I'm done with this thread.

Shep, you're a liar. As of right now in USA breaking TOS isn't illegal.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in limiting reach of the CFAA, said that violations of employee contract agreements and websites’ terms of service were better left to civil lawsuits.

This was a harassment by a operator (or a closely related person) of one of these illegal websites.

Which also makes TN banking of sharing netflix illegal questionable now.
newbie
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Admin and staff were first approached December 21, 2012 regarding the topic of illegal sales of hacked/compromised accounts and illegal secondary sales of unauthorized transfers of accounts based on provisional access to database services.  Over the past 18 days individual staff have been approached top to bottom including developers.  Nobody wants to challenge Theymos on this issue which he would prefer to ignore, nor does anyone want to clean up this mess before it spirals out of control and harms the reputation of the currency and this forum. I've provided enough evidence publicly and privately to indicate an issue persists. I'm not going to stick around and continue to defend the best interests of the currency or the forum in this thread if none of the staff or development team want any real change to occur. It's pointless to do so. I'm also not going to stick around while mods ignore continued defamation. I only hope that enemies of the currency don't use this unresolved issue as ammunition, I would be deeply saddened if that happened.

I'm done with this thread.
vip
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I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)


As stated before I am unaffiliated with nzb sites. The treaty does indicate that unauthorized transfers of credentials or access codes are in fact illegal without explicit permission of the site owner or institution that granted provisional access for those credentials. That proof was given here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1435482


Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)

two questions:

1) Are you a lawyer?
2) Are you being compensated in any tangible way for your activities on Bitcointalk.org?
hero member
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Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)

Libel? LOL. You already did that a bunch of posts ago.

And why do you need to do database administration? I googled "shep and nzb".

Oh that is your actual email address. I simply showed it as an example... LOL.

Now you did two accusations against me:

a) I got paid by someone to argue with you.
b) I hacked some random website to put your email address in...

Keep these coming, they're comical
newbie
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I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)


As stated before I am unaffiliated with nzb sites. The treaty does indicate that unauthorized transfers of credentials or access codes are in fact illegal without explicit permission of the site owner or institution that granted provisional access for those credentials. That proof was given here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1435482


Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)
hero member
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I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)
newbie
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I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.

So you're claiming that I'm a thief without any proof. I'm confused, isn't that why you're claiming I should be banned?
You seem to throw out a lot of insults, vulgarities, and show open hostility.  You don't appear capable of engaging in civil discussion.

You have previously stated and claimed that torrent and nzb sites are illegal, you even went so far as to point to information which may be posted on gingadaddy that supported your argument.  If the site in question which you posted to does contain illegal information and is not DMCA compliant then that supports a position for not allowing sales of credentials or invites. Associating Bitcoin and this website with illegal sales of unauthorized credentials and access codes or other activity only harms the reputation of the site and the currency. Those sales may occur elsewhere, but they shouldn't occur here on the semi-official forum of bitcoin.

You seem to ignore your own supporting argument.  Here let me remind you since you seem to have a very short memory.

I am not promoting any websites.  I have however commented on several, none of which I am affiliated with.  I also find it interesting that you seem to believe that these websites are illegal (most are not), yet you somehow take no issue with sales of credentials or access codes, which are illegal (yes if they were procured or distributed in an unauthorized manner it does fall under access fraud, misuse of access, computer fraud, illegal access, and/or theft of service).

Really? They aren't illegal? Wow. I checked your comments history and pulled the ToS of the website in question.

https://www.gingadaddy.com/rules.php

I have nothing to prove.I have however pointed out the distribution and or sales of credentials and access codes which have not been explicitly authorized by a site owner or institution that they belong to is in fact illegal and can be prosecuted.   Sellers and facilitators can face criminal and civil liability.  Again, I'm sorry if you and some others can't accept that, but that is the way that most legal systems operate.  Theft of service is recognized by most first world and third world nations.

Regarding your other statement.  I think you do some research you will find that most NZB websites are in fact not illegal depending on where they are hosted, they operate under safe harbor, and reference posts made to newsgroups.  The sites themselves can not host any infringing material and if they do receive a complaint and fail to act, they can be shutdown or face criminal and civil liability.

If you wish to engage in civil discussion, I'm fair game, but if your only intent is trying to silence me and make demands that I leave, you'll be ignored. I might ask how exactly are you improving discussion in this thread? You aren't addressing the topic of the forum policy, nor are you moving this discussion forward.

The burden of proof is on you. If you can't prove according to law that you had referenced here then there is nothing to talk about civilly here.




I don't represent gingadaddy, nor am I affiliated with them.  If you believe there is a legal issue with that site I suggest you send them a DMCA takedown notification.  Also I think that you're ignoring your own arguments.  If those sites are illegal, then why is this forum allowing transactions of access codes and credentials for those sites?  If anything you're supporting my argument that sales of access codes and credentials for those sites should not be allowed on this forum.


You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.
hero member
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I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.

You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

 
newbie
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That's why MariusTi's threads are locked. Supernatural has proved to theymos that he's selling his own farmed accounts, and not hacked accounts. You'll have to prove to theymos otherwise in this issue.

May I ask which torrenting/usenet sites you're affiliated with? You have been actively pushing this agenda against the sale of invites since the early days of your account. Are you picketing at invite trading sites too?

I've already answered that question, I'll repost the answer.

It was and is not my intent to troll this site. I am trying to improve this site, even though admin are ignoring an issue that has real consequences for various parties. As stated previously, I am unaffiliated with any sites brought up in this or prior threads, none of the admin of the sites mentioned knew or had prior contact with me prior to bringing this topic to light here on bitcointalk.org.  I could have chosen a different thread or poster regarding unauthorized sales of access codes or credentials (whether they be hacked/compromised, or unauthorized sales).  I specifically chose to create a thread regarding this topic and also respond to the sales and other actions (hacking, brute forcing, reselling services via proxy) of Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") because his actions were the most egregious violations of laws of various nations.   Sales of access codes and credentials are illegal.  Associating these illegal transactions with Bitcoin reduce the reputation of the currency and place the site and its staff in a position where they can face criminal and civil liability. This is a serious issue. Trolls, users, and staff can ignore the issue, but sooner or later there can and may very well be legal action taken by some party who finds their access codes or credentials sold on this website. This is not a threat, it is a observation regarding the liability that the site faces by not banning unauthorized sales of credentials by resellers that hold no ownership of provisioned credentials that are in fact owned by site owners or institutions.

Also these posts were relevant to me bringing this issue of illegal sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials to light.

I actually engaged in a discussion about this topic with someone else, he might read this thread (if so hello Wink ).   While it's true that a currency can gain momentum and ultimately in time not be impacted by minor incidents or small blips of abuse, there is a critical mass phase with build up, similar to escape velocity needed to break atmosphere.  In the early lifecycle of a new currency like bitcoin it is imperative that the reputation of the currency not be constrained or otherwise hampered by impropriety or it may never be well received.  This is the way of the world, and it honestly applies to other areas beyond financial methods of exchange.
I addressed this question in my last post.  The currency is associated with the people and transactions that primarily use it.  If a new currency is primarily or even remotely used for criminal activities it can harm the reception and spread of the currency as whole.  It's much the same as child nutrition, failing to feed a child healthy nutrients may result in stunted growth and development, which can not be fixed later in life.
legendary
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That's why MariusTi's threads are locked. Supernatural has proved to theymos that he's selling his own farmed accounts, and not hacked accounts. You'll have to prove to theymos otherwise in this issue.

May I ask which torrenting/usenet sites you're affiliated with? You have been actively pushing this agenda against the sale of invites since the early days of your account. Are you picketing at invite trading sites too?
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