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Topic: Hackers on the rampage again, 59M $ Stolen - page 3. (Read 918 times)

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September 27, 2018, 05:39:18 AM
#90
For us, the end users, it won't make any difference in the end. Anyway, I've seen plenty of exchanges hacked, and no one got caught, be it an inside job or otherwise.

I don't agree. There's a big difference. It doesn't matter if the hackers are caught. What it does matter is that your funds are restored in a reasonable time.
And this is important for the exchange too. Bitfinex gave the money back to the users, hence it's still in business. For example Mintpal didn't refund. Do you know or remember Mintpal?

I haven't heard much of them as I hadn't been their client. I was and am a client of Bitfinex, even though I withdrew my funds a few months before the hack, which happened in early August 2016, less than a month after the halving. In this way, I wasn't affected by the hack. If an exchange reimburses the stolen money, they are good and all that, but it doesn't change anything for us with respect to whether it was an inside job or an external hack. I suspect what you say is called "non sequitur". If our money is stolen it doesn't matter who did that. Returning the money or reimbursing the losses is another matter.

And while we are at it, there is a dude with a nickname TradeFortress who stole (or was stolen from) thousands of bitcoins belonging to lots of users. And he is still active here, at least was last time I checked, promising to return the money.
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September 26, 2018, 02:03:37 PM
#89
This is sad news for that person. All the people should aware of hacking issue and make some security setup with this.
Hacking is happening in the regular intervals.This made the new investors to get some fear.The new investors must aware of hacking issue of cryptocurrency and make some security setup to his wallet to avoid hacking.
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September 26, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
#88
For us, the end users, it won't make any difference in the end. Anyway, I've seen plenty of exchanges hacked, and no one got caught, be it an inside job or otherwise.

I don't agree. There's a big difference. It doesn't matter if the hackers are caught. What it does matter is that your funds are restored in a reasonable time.
And this is important for the exchange too. Bitfinex gave the money back to the users, hence it's still in business. For example Mintpal didn't refund. Do you know or remember Mintpal?
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September 26, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
#87
True and I hope we have learned from the recent hacks that had happened with exchanges. Never, ever leave anything huge in an exchange. Just the exact amount for trading will be good. Profits should always go back to a cold storage.

If you are a big-time trader, you have to keep your funds on an exchange. If you keep only "what you can afford to lose", you will earn dust. It is possible to minimize your risk exposure by using margin trading, where you hold only amounts sufficient to keep up with the margin requirements and add more when the price moves against you and consequently withdraw the excessive amounts immediately if the price moves in your direction. But apart from the risk you are looking to minimize and which is still there, at the same time you expose yourself to the risk of an abrupt price move when your position will be liquidated by the exchange. Besides, you will also have to pay interest on borrowed coins.
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September 26, 2018, 11:03:08 AM
#86
True and I hope we have learned from the recent hacks that had happened with exchanges. Never, ever leave anything huge in an exchange. Just the exact amount for trading will be good. Profits should always go back to a cold storage.

Since they are being regulated by their government I dont think this is one of those inside jobs that had happened with other exchange.
A little movement might happen after a week or two, the market doesnt react that instant.
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September 26, 2018, 10:59:03 AM
#85
I think the security of crypto wallets is guaranteed. but instead the big exchanger stolen from hackers. if this continues, crypto market conditions will worsen.
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September 26, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
#84
This is news that is not good for the crypto world, and we as Bitcoin users must be more aware of it. In this case Exchange needs to take security measures for its members to avoid losing more.
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September 26, 2018, 10:36:09 AM
#83
There is nothing surprising in this. Many exchanges are poorly protected and hackers use this. I think in the future this can happen with many exchanges. I think it's bad.
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September 26, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
#82
Insurance comes with a price. And in case of crypto, as I'm strongly inclined to think, it comes with a double price.

Of course it does, also the insurance company has to be pretty open and tech oriented. And it may even have certain safety requirements.
But a proper exchange should really afford that.

But can they really? I don't know the premiums but if this kind of insurance is actually possible, they should be pretty steep for a regular exchange, given the "free" nature of bitcoin. There are a helluva lot of exchanges out there, and obtaining insurance may instantly render them uncompetitive. As far as I know only Coinbase has some insurance (correct me if I'm wrong on this) but exchanges like Bitfinex haven't.

I really think that a properly made exchange can find out if there was a hack or inside job. Only the one with lousy security cannot find the difference imho.

For us, the end users, it won't make any difference in the end. Anyway, I've seen plenty of exchanges hacked, and no one got caught, be it an inside job or otherwise.
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September 26, 2018, 05:50:08 AM
#81
Japanese Exchange Zaif was reported to have suffered some security breach that resulted in about 59.7 M$ being stolen from the exchange. the hackers carted away with Bitcoin (5966), bitcoin cash and some Monacoin. It is not clear yet when or if customers will be fully reimbursed for the losses.
Zaif is operated by Tech Bureau Inc.under a regulated environment by Financial Service Agency- Japans foremost regulatory agency.
It is not likely that the market will react much to the hack ( or maybe it has already as we saw bitcoin slide to 6100 range and back up to 6400$ within an hour or this was caused by the CBOE future closure).
This brings to bear once again the need to never leave some substantial amount of exchanges.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/japanese-cryptocurrency-exchange-hacked-59-million-in-losses-reported
https://jp.reuters.com/article/zaif-tech-bureau-inspection-idJPKCN1M001Y


There's something wrong for Tech Bureau Inc.under a regulated environment by Financial Service Agency- Japans foremost regulatory agency to be hacked for that big amount. There's must be an inside job in the system that they easily penetrate it and stole big amount. These people really don't know how to become rich in a good way. That amount is too big for the exchange market pay their costumer and i hope this will never happen again.
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September 26, 2018, 04:26:16 AM
#80
Monacoin is really a big hole. In this market, there is always hacker attacks and what makes me feel normal. I only worry about the $ 59 million. I hope the hackers will not waste it and make the market red.
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September 26, 2018, 04:15:01 AM
#79
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I think the overall level of education in Bitcoin is rising. Seems like finally, it is getting through their rather thick skulls of newbies that the failure of exchanges trying to keep coins safe isn't relevant to bitcoin's security. But still in 2018 there's tons of people that when they read these headlines, think that exchange hack = "bitcoin hack". There's still a lot of work to do when it comes to that, but slowly we'll get there. And as education level rises, these news will have less of an impact as they would understand there's no reason to play along with the panic selling of these news anymore.

Well this is totally truth. People tend to generalize and in this case it's really bad to do so.

It's truth that like you say those news will have less impact, it's like news of a bank being stolen. What will happen? The only ones who should be worried about their money should be the ones who had money inside the place, not everybody who holds the same currency - Which is of course have no logical reason behind it.

It's a shame, since there is people who try really hard to educate themselves to be able to trade with good or decent benefits. The security in exchanges needs to severely improve or the coins of everybody should have some kind of protection.
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September 26, 2018, 02:52:25 AM
#78
I remembered some hacking issues before in myetherwallet, this has something to do affecting the price in the market. And that resembles this issue, it may somehow affect the movement of the price but just a little effect on the market.

I think Japanese exchange shall demodel the security of their system and shall think of the other way not to repeat this kind of hack.
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September 26, 2018, 02:13:43 AM
#77
Bitcoin anonymity is for hackers, scammers and criminals, terrorists also. They will run away after the crime.

Yes, until they use the wrong mixer service or until one of these services reveals their identity. The governments and counter security agencies are not sitting on their hands, they employ highly skilled hackers too, to stop these people.

This is why I find it stupid that hackers would want to hack these exchanges, not knowing what services they can trust and what not. Just imagine what will happen when these hackers find out that all tx's can be traced.   Roll Eyes
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September 26, 2018, 12:06:09 AM
#76
there is no solution for it other than constantly improving the security measures

An exchange has to use cold storage and maybe multisig too. And for the hot coins, they have to use...insurance.

Of course, the security measures are important, but also the hardware is advancing and something secure now may not be so secure in a year. Hackers are advancing too.
Plus don't forget that bugs do happen. That's why among proper security, I think that exchanges should really use insurance.

Insurance comes with a price. And in case of crypto, as I'm strongly inclined to think, it comes with a double price. Regardless, if it was an inside job, then the "hackers" would be twice as motivated, first by coins they allegedly stole and then by the insurance indemnity they would be expected to receive from the insurance agency. Though, honestly, I can't imagine how you are going to insure your crypto reserves and what premiums you are expected to pay to an insurance company for the insurance provided as it is next to impossible to distinguish between fraud and "legitimate" hack in case of coins "missing".

Crypto is based on the blockchain technology which relies on the principle of decentralization and since there is a decentralization of power, there are some responsibilities too and the prime responsibility is associated with maintenance of security measures while handling the crypto funds. Not every exchange has the same approach towards security measures and hence the responsibility comes to square one that is on the user.
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September 25, 2018, 11:28:55 PM
#75
Japanese Exchange Zaif was reported to have suffered some security breach that resulted in about 59.7 M$ being stolen from the exchange. the hackers carted away with Bitcoin (5966), bitcoin cash and some Monacoin. It is not clear yet when or if customers will be fully reimbursed for the losses.
Zaif is operated by Tech Bureau Inc.under a regulated environment by Financial Service Agency- Japans foremost regulatory agency.
It is not likely that the market will react much to the hack ( or maybe it has already as we saw bitcoin slide to 6100 range and back up to 6400$ within an hour or this was caused by the CBOE future closure).
This brings to bear once again the need to never leave some substantial amount of exchanges.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/japanese-cryptocurrency-exchange-hacked-59-million-in-losses-reported
https://jp.reuters.com/article/zaif-tech-bureau-inspection-idJPKCN1M001Y



No, it won't impacting the market with that amount of btc. In the first place, the hackers are not smart if they immediately dump the whole btc because it means they will get cheap. This kind of event makes me wonder if storing our coins in the exchange wallet is safe or not.
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September 25, 2018, 12:53:01 PM
#74
News like these make me think about keep bitcoins in exchanges. Big or small any exchanges are in danger of hacking by some crafty people. This case makes stay away people from bitcoin. I hope something like that will never happen again.
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September 25, 2018, 12:38:46 PM
#73
Insurance comes with a price. And in case of crypto, as I'm strongly inclined to think, it comes with a double price.

Of course it does, also the insurance company has to be pretty open and tech oriented. And it may even have certain safety requirements.
But a proper exchange should really afford that.
0.2% of so much crypto traded each and every day... it's a lot.


Regardless, if it was an inside job, then the "hackers" would be twice as motivated, first by coins they allegedly stole and then by the insurance indemnity they would be expected to receive from the insurance agency. Though, honestly, I can't imagine how you are going to insure your crypto reserves and what premiums you are expected to pay to an insurance company for the insurance provided as it is next to impossible to distinguish between fraud and "legitimate" hack in case of coins "missing".

As I wrote, I don't expect any insurance company have the skills to deal with crypto. Extremely few actually do (I may have read of 1 or 2...).
I really think that a properly made exchange can find out if there was a hack or inside job. Only the one with lousy security cannot find the difference imho.
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September 25, 2018, 02:40:15 AM
#72
Prepare yourself
DUMP is coming
  Shocked

That's why I don't want to store my asset too long on exchanger, we don't know how long this exchanger still safe. Also, the exchanger owner not guarantee will refund our asset if got stolen by hackers...

Every sensible person knows that storing our funds on an exchange is easily one of the dumbest moves ever and it is way safer to secure our funds through a hardware wallet like Trezor or through desktop wallets in this case.

Coins can be stolen from hardware wallets too. If you can restore the private key in case such a wallet malfunctions, it pretty much means anyone else can potentially do that too. It is just a matter of time until a major hack occurs. Money from desktop wallets is stolen every other day, you just don't hear about that just like you don't hear about every car wreck in the world, though thousands people get killed in car accidents monthly. If you want to be 100% safe, you should use a paper wallet.
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September 25, 2018, 01:49:03 AM
#71
Prepare yourself
DUMP is coming
  Shocked

That's why I don't want to store my asset too long on exchanger, we don't know how long this exchanger still safe. Also, the exchanger owner not guarantee will refund our asset if got stolen by hackers...



Every sensible person knows that storing our funds on an exchange is easily one of the dumbest moves ever and it is way safer to secure our funds through a hardware wallet like Trezor or through desktop wallets in this case.

Exchanges can always get hacked no matter how sophisticated their security is at the end of the day since hackers will always find a way. New and upcoming exchanges are especially prone to such attacks which is why they need to be extra careful.
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