Topic: Hacking a BFL Jalapeno to 32GH and beyond....(???) - page 24. (Read 54325 times)

Interesting. I wasn't sure if the 1 volt power supplies would hold past 6 chips. Looks like I'll be ordering two more from somewhere, then going the distance.

Could you share what type of heat sink with pipes you used? I've been looking around at sites like frozencpu.com, and there seem to be as many sinks as stars in the sky. Any that would allow this thing to run in it's original case?

Thank you!
Chris

We have test units in the shop that have 8 chips that run fine with a heatpipe heatsink.  Out of the 8 or so we have for test, to my knowledge only one has failed since about June... you should be able to run an 8 chip Jalapeno just fine with adequate cooling, at least for a few months.  Of course, it voids your warranty... however, as a side note, if it does fail, the chips will likely be ok and reballing those chips and putting them on another board would probably be just fine.

That's pretty cool.  I have 2 jalapenos and 7 loose BFL chips on hand, but no hot air rework equipment.  I'm getting ideas involving my kitchen oven...

Power supply came in, I'll fiddle with it later. Doing some calculations based on the Chili boards I think the BFL chips pull 12.5 watts each, so I should be able to go to six and 75 watts on the DC-DC power supplies. Worst case they should just crowbar and shut down.

I've ordered longer screws so I can screw the bottom heat sink to the top plate, and a set of small stick-on sinks for the hot FETs. If I get them by Wednesday I'll put the last chip on.

C

I have 3 bfl chips for sale if anyone is interested pm me.

Sorry none left. Will be selling some used mining gear when my neptune comes in.

Thanks! Yeah, the heat sink on the bottom removes a lot of the heat; I think that's the point of BGA: because you have a whole bunch of pads you can drop the heat out the bottom as well as the top.

I'll get some solder wick and start removing the balls this week; I was thinking of just reforming the balls and not worrying about the missing ones, but it looks like some of the outside edge ones are gone and that is where the control signals are. Not too worried about the lack of heat sink; oddly enough putting it closer to the board will just source more heat out the back.

From a purely money-making point of view it's not very worth it; I'll make a profit of about $50 a chip over the next few months if BC prices stay constant. About as much as a pair of watch cleanings. But from a fun standpoint, it can't be beat :-)

Thanks for all the help in the other thread. Jallies may have been the only devices from BFL to actually turn a profit on mining, most other devices did not do as well.

Oh and the heat sink at the bottom? It was reading 90 degrees F with the unit at 65C. To warm up a chunk of copper to 30 degrees above room temperature takes a fair bit of heat. Once I drill the holes in it and get longer screws I'll put the whole shooting match on it's side or something to boost the cooling rate.

C

Nice work. I like the heatsink you put on the bottom. I might try that but I'm a bit hesitant to do any more work on my Jalapeno because it doesn't really seem to be worth it at this point. But, it might try it whenever I switch over to solo mining.

Also, with that one chip you removed, if you wanted to you could solder it back on without reballing. I had to do it myself since I messed up on the first chip I soldered. Just remove all the solder from the chip and use the solder balls on the PCB. The problem is that the chip will sit very low and might not be able to be effectively cooled since it isn't coplanar to the other chips. I had to put two layers of thermal padding to make contact with the heat sink.

Actually, I don't think I was the first. I recall somebody who was developing a BFL based board doing it before I did using sample BFL chips and also offering it as a service. But, I think I was one of the first to start reflashing the firmware on the Jalapeno. And, I was the one who went and told everyone to buy the AVR Dragon.

Is it easy to install the extra chip at jalapeño board?

Update the firmware and you can take the chips from 5 to 7.5 or 8 or so. That's pretty well documented on the forum, searches will find that. Costs $50 for a Dragon programmer and maybe $4 for a cable. And some time. And Atmel software.

You can add one chip and get to 12 and still be able to run it in it's case (barely). Two more will get you to 16 and is about as fast as you can go without adding bottom cooling. Cool the bottom of the unit and we're in different territory.

C

Do you install extra chips at jalapeño Board?
Or only firmware updated?

Not yet. So far it is add chips and reflash the firmware. I'm running speed 7 with full error detection which is probably running me slower than I could by a gh or two, but with the benefit of lower power draws and temps.

You need to have the 1.2.7 or better software because the original chips were SMD chips on BGA carriers and couldn't run with engine zero. The newer chips are real BGA, but have engine 0 enabled by default (16 engines instead of max 15. cool). So grabbing the 1.2.9 software, changing the type from SINGLE to LITTLE_SINGLE (important) does the trick.

I think the limiting factor for going past 6 chips on the little single board is going to be the power converters for the 1 volt supplies. They are built to source "75 to 80 amps" and I'm guessing the original chips ran at less than 10 amps/watts each. However since each chip is boosting the power draw at the wall by 20 watts or so, I think they pull closer to 15 watts each. 15*5 is 75 amps, so I might be pushing the limit with 5 chips. But I'll try 6 for the hell of it, if it fails I'll disable or remove one of the crappy original chips.

Here is the diag output for my Jally as of now. The 1 volt rail is at .998; input voltage is 12.22 instead of 13.2 with 4, so I might be running up against the limits of the power supply or the 1 volt FETs.

DEVICE: BitFORCE SC
FIRMWARE: 1.2.9
IAR Executed: NO
CHIP PARALLELIZATION: YES @ 5
QUEUE DEPTH:40
PROCESSOR 0: 16 engines @ 267 MHz -- MAP: FFFF
PROCESSOR 3: 13 engines @ 262 MHz -- MAP: EFFC
PROCESSOR 5: 16 engines @ 245 MHz -- MAP: FFFF
PROCESSOR 6: 16 engines @ 259 MHz -- MAP: FFFF
PROCESSOR 7: 15 engines @ 240 MHz -- MAP: FFFE
THEORETICAL MAX: 19342 MH/s
ENGINES: 76
FREQUENCY: 274 MHz
CRITICAL TEMPERATURE: 0
TOTAL THERMAL CYCLES: 0
XLINK MODE: MASTER
XLINK PRESENT: NO
OK

I have an ATX power supply coming to provide a more solid 12 volt supply, might give it a go before committing to that next chip. Or I might just toss it on tomorrow.

C

Not quite. I'm using an Aoyue 968 rework station that I used to use for SMD rework on electric car drive trains. 50kw IGBT drivers blow out a bunch of parts when the gates float. I also have an Aoyue pre-heater that's nice to have, but I don't think it's quite mandatory for this work.

Anyway, that plus some liquid flux plus some time under the air flow seems to do the trick. I'll post the details in a write-up.

C

Just added chips and flashed the FW?
Or something else was replaced on the board too?

Good stuff - are you using a reflow station to do this?

Summary: We are going to turn a Jalapeno into a Jupiter. Or bust. Probably bust. But maybe not!

Being one of those people who spent $169 for a Jalapeno in January and got his... money's worth, I've been thinking of ways to keep it relevant as difficulty has been tottering up.

I'm going to start this thread to track what I have been doing, what's worked so far, and where we can go with this. So far I have managed to boost my poor little Jally from 4.5gh barely (it had crappy chips) to 7.3gh, then 12, then 16, and for the moment, 20. I've since taken one to 24gh, and will try for 28gh next.

Update: Yep, 28gh, 7 chips. Beyond insane. Heat issues get very funny at 7 chips, thinking about that before trying for 8.

Update: Yep, 32gh. A real, honest, 32gh from a fracking Jalapeno. Read the thread, think about if you really want. to. go. there.

(I have a house there)

I will talk about hardware hacks I am doing, software hacks from this forum, and thoughts on just how big I can make this poor little bastard of a device.

First, a word of serious thanks to the following people:

• Butterfly Labs: For releasing the source code to the little singles and also releasing the schematics.
• CK: Who compiled an elf file that allowed my POS jally to go to 7.3gh which is as much as I could get out of it. He showed me the way.
• Danattacker, who had the sheer balls to be the first to put 2 chips on his JP and showed that it was possible
  
• lentbt2, good seller on Ebay who has MORE CHIPS as of 12/19. http://www.ebay.com/itm/191006340017 is the link, note I have bought from him in the past and he's good.
  
  If you have a source or know of one please PM me. I'll take the risk of ordering one and if they look good I'll post it here.
• My uncle, who inspired me to fix watches which gives me the fine tools to pull shit like this off.
• Whoever runs this BBS/Forum, it's been a great place to read, chat, and think.

The parent thread for all this is at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236875.500, I posted a lot there but want to put the summary instructions and my future travails on it's own thread (and because I am kind of bogarting that thread because it's more software hacking and I am doing some serious hardware fuckery here)

Anyway, she's now running at 20gh, I'll post more later this afternoon, but first a few pictures of it running.

Here is the unit in it's current... configuration.


Here is the back of it with the extra lights on.


And here is the BFG screen.


On with the show...

C