Topic: Hal Finney was not Satosi Nakamoto - page 2. (Read 342 times)

You don't have to guess "2005 and 2007", or anything like that. If you try to grep the source code of 0.01 version, you will find some places, where "2007" is explicitly revealed, and even the more precise date is present. For example, if you check "sha.h", you will find 24th September 2007:
This is the earliest date I found, but maybe after more digging you could find something at the beginning of September 2007. But I doubt there are any earlier timestamps anywhere. Also, from the code structure itself, you can easily deduce, that importing hash functions like SHA-1, was done by Satoshi in 2007, and then he stopped upgrading libraries. His strategy was quite simple: you need a library? So, get the latest version, install it here and now, and then forget about upgrading, if everything works correctly.

Another thing you should also do, is to go through the whitepaper, scroll down to the "References" paragraph, and grab all of those documents one-by-one. Then, you will note, that "hashcash" is the sixth position, but it is also "the third from the bottom". If you use reversed order, then you note that in many lists, Satoshi actually used reversed order. For example, he listed "Visual C++" first, and then added "MinGW" at the first position. The same with other references. Which is quite interesting, because it means, he didn't start from some "Abstract" or "Introduction", but the first paragraph was probably called "Calculations", and he wrote a lot of code, to confirm everything he read in 8th reference about "probability theory and its applications", then created a system based only on public keys alone, without any hashing, using "Protocols for public key cryptosystems", and then jumped into "Hashcash", and downloaded SHA-1 library as a dependency on 24th September 2007, and didn't upgrade it since then (also because later SHA-1 was replaced by SHA-256).

There are some topics on bitcointalk, where you can get more details: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/possible-new-vulnerability-poor-entropy-in-windows-generated-keypairs-113496

Yes, but he added those things to his own miners first, and then publicly released them. Which means, he didn't release it from the first day, when he heard about such possibilities. There are many proofs to support that fact. First: he mined 40-bit Genesis Block, and initially planned 40-bit difficulty for mainnet, and 20-bit difficulty for testnet (see November 2008 source code for more details). Second: if you have any multi-threaded program, then it is harder to do that correctly. It is far easier to run N instances of console application, and let your Operating System do the thing, than implement it in C++ in 2009 (maybe also in assembly). Third: he was against GPU arms race, and tried to postpone it for as long as possible, to encourage more people, by offering them the possibility to mine on their CPUs.

Maybe I should be more clear here: I don't think Satoshi is Hal. But I think Satoshi is from Japan. Because I heard some people saying "he is obviously not some Japanese guy". And then I found more than enough proofs, that his whole Operating System had Japanese language enabled. Also, if you want to deduce, that he used Windows XP, and not for example Windows 98, then you can read, what he thought about using some older version of the Bitcoin client, and also read all things, when he mentioned about Windows Vista as "Vista hasn't been tested yet". That word "yet" means, he would also do that, if possible.

The real story of Satoshi Nakamoto is still a mystery no one knows who the real inventor either Satoshi or Haal Finney but there is always the controversy that Finney is Satoshi Nakamoto but he refuses to do it. In an interview when an anchor asked if he was the real inventor in response he replied that he was not the inventor and refused the claim. Before he (Finney)died in 2014 he said that he never met satoshi instead he met him online and the picture shown is fake if the picture of Satoshi is publicly available then how he is still anonymous.

It's sad to hear of the many terrors that Hall Finney and his family have experienced.
people who don't like him and are trying to find out about the creator of Bitcoin who is not him.

Looking for the key to Satoshi's Bitcoin stash that he never even had.
Even though Hal Finney was only the first debugger and contributor to the Bitcoin code and was the recipient of the first Bitcoin transaction in January 2009 he received 10 bitcoins from the creator of Bitcoin.

This article created by Jameson Lopp further proves that Finney is not satoshi or not the creator of Bitcoin, this will be future-proof when someone associates him again with the creator of Bitcoin.

Although Hal Finney was legally declared dead on August 28, 2014, at 8:50 pm at the age of 58, Finney's body became the 128th Alcor Patient.
His body since being declared dead has been cryonically frozen, Hal Finney is now undergoing cooling to -196 degrees Celsius for long-term storage where he is being cared for until the day that repair and resurrection can take place.

Perhaps in the future when technology develops rapidly, there will be a resurrection for Hal Finney and explain that he is not Satoshi Nakamoto the creator of bitcoin.

"He’s always been optimistic about the future," says Hal Finney's wife, Fran.
"Every new advance, he embraced it, every new technology. Hal relished life, and he made the most of everything."

Source:
https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/
https://www.alcor.org/2014/12/hal-finney-becomes-alcors-128th-patient/
https://coingeek.com/faketoshi-series-hal-finney-the-men-who-are-not-satoshi-part-3/

During the last few months of his life, Hal Finney and his family were subjected to a vicious swatting attack where people called cops on his home. Hal was already immobile and it was not easy for him and his family to comply with the police demands to leave the home while they searched for evidence of guns or whatever supported the swatter's accusations.

Perhaps the Finney household is still being regularly harassed or even threatened by those that think his wife has the private keys to the Satoshi bitcoin stash or something. So an article like this would help dissuade those rumors, which is perhaps Lopp's main motivation behind writing it.

So do you know how many of Japanese versions of XP were sold during 2005 and 2007? Because he had started working on the project 2 years before the release.

Knowing the type of RNG used in that period is also good, another thing, he used a single core CPU, that's why he later added multiprocessor support for mining.

It is also worth a try to find all the graduates from IT university of Japan and follow up on them to see what they are doing right now, I bet one of them is super rich building super computers in Japan.😉

I've actually encountered this headline a number of times, but I didn't care to click on it or listen to the presentation. I actually wondered why Jameson Lopp is still on this. Why is he still busy trying to find new clues or establishing a more solid presentation that Hal is not Satoshi? Has it not been finally laid to rest years ago?

Are there still a large number of people who strongly believe that Hal is Satoshi? We're in 2023, is Jameson still actively hunting Satoshi's identity, or disproving other claimants? It seems a total waste of time for a brilliant mind.

I think Loop puts effort in proving that Hal Finney is indeed not Satoshi. But how many of us here believed though that Finney=Satoshi? From the very beginning, I doubt that Hal is Satoshi. He might be just one of those individuals who really see what Bitcoin can really do and as a developer he has to interact with Satoshi, mined Bitcoin and other contributions he had did in the past.

And most likely this article will be added to the annals of Bitcoin history.

I don't think he is Satoshi Nakamoto but he is indeed the first recipient of Bitcoin. If you make some research then you will find out that Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto. If you are asked by someone to provide evidence then what can you provide to everyone that the theory is true and correct.

It's only someone who is not dedicated to reading and finding out things themselves can believe that Hal is Satoshi; even with the claim that some other people too were Satoshi, but they not. Satoshi could be someone who's just living with us, someone who no one would even agree if he said he was the Satoshi. But why does it matter now? Are we still trying to dig up who Satoshi is? How is it going to help the growth of Bitcoin? Satoshi doesn't want himself known, and we all know what that reminds us of. I think it reminds us that privacy is very important in the Bitcoin space. This time around, some Bitcoiners are just exposing their information here and there just to proof to the world that they have Bitcoin.

He definitely was. I have many confirmations for that fact. First, start from "readme.txt" in "BitCoin v0.01 ALPHA" (yes, that 0.01 version is present here, which is also significant, and explains, why the magic number 100 is used as a version number separator). But in the "src" folder, there is another "readme.txt", and you can read there:
That second compiler was most likely used by Satoshi, because there were "std::min" and "std::max" issues in the source code, that were specific to "Visual C++" compiler. And, guess what, if you try to find that compiler, you will find this one: https://archive.org/details/microsoft-visual-c-6.0-standard-edition

Then, guess what: installing it on a non-Japanese Windows XP is a disaster, and ends up with displaying all of those characters as "?". Also, it explains "¥" character, that was present in paths, instead of slashes/backslashes.

If you don't believe me, then try to find another "Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 SP6" version anywhere: you will notice, that this Japanese version is the most popular one. And if you want to use it, you need a Japanese version of Windows, because in other cases, the whole installation process will be very painful.

Also, if you try to run "BitCoin" client on Windows XP, you will notice a lot of things. For example, that running more than one instance of "0.01" version is not that easy, as you could expect, because the port 8333 will be already used by the first instance, and the whole traffic management requires activating another "main" function, and some other changes like that, or some weird stuff like "port forwarding".

Also, by exploring more things, you can note that Windows XP with Japanese language version, was used on his physical machine, and no VirtualBox or other virtualization tool was there. But, first things first, installing the same compiler as Satoshi, the same tool for PDF as Satoshi, and other things like that, should give you enough proofs to start with. And if you need a proof that Satoshi really used those things, then explore file metadata, and note that if you want to fake everything, it is extremely painful to do that correctly, and it is then easier to just use the real tools without tampering with the data.

There seems to never be enough of the speculation apparently.

This part at the start of the article caught my attention;
I very well think that the identity of Satoshi still has lots of significance to the future operation of Bitcoin at the very least. I also doubt it affects the security of Bitcoin, except it turns out to be a three letter association.

The speculation I think is what does not have read world consequence and has been overly discussed.

I tend to believe that any discussion on this matter cannot bring anything new and cannot do anything good. If Satoshi is alive (and I hope so), if real clues are ever shown, they can become a threat to his life.
Plus I think that any new "evidence" in this matter is only meant to bring a bit more audience to this or that blog or newspaper. Lopp used to have very useful posts, imho this is not really one of those.

Hal Finney is not Satoshi and neither has he ever made a claim to be so even while he was alive, he only be the first recipient of bitcoin transaction from Satoshi Nakamoto, this alone makes many people to believe that it's either he was Satoshi or knows Satoshi Nakamoto personally, but someone like Hal Finney deserves almost thesame accolades as Satoshi because they both have their contributions towards what we all have today as bitcoin.

The author of the article is incomplete in collecting hypothesis evidence. Satoshi is even more handsome than the man in this picture if the hypothesis gathered about Satoshi Nakamoto leads to a male figure.
My plan is to do as the author of this article did. Collecting evidence for my hypothesis about Satoshi is more about the figure of a beautiful woman with a sexy body. LOL

If Satoshi wants to present himself to the public, this forum is the place.
Anyone can claim to be Satoshi, but that claim is not real.

This image comes from the article listed in the OP. The fingers of the person in this picture are for those who recognize themselves as Satoshi.

At the start, I only had feelings that Hal Finney is not the Satoshi, but after reading this article you have provided, I can say, yes Hal Finney is really not Satoshi, I only checked 1 to 2 proofs provided on the website and I was convinced with them. I came to know about Hal Finney when the day of first Bitcoinist was celebrated, a topic was also created -->Today marks 9 years since the death of Bitcoin first pioneer Hal Finney,

I learned a lot about Hal Finney and also read his last post made on BTT. -->https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-and-me-hal-finney-155054 (by Hal), He was facing a lot of issues and in that post, he already mentioned that he talked with Satoshi over the email so many times and he said, he thought Satoshi was some Japanese guy.

This also indicates that Hal was not the Satoshi but only a cryptographic expert who was overwhelmed with BTC cryptography. A fan of BTC.

He really is not, just because the man exist when satoshi still exist and disappear almost the same time/year doesn't mean they are the same person, they are totally different story and different person

Whoever Satoshi actually is — if I'd like anyone to be Satoshi, it would most probably be this guy. Haven't really done a deep dive on Hal(because I find it a bit unnecessary), but I don't think i've read anything negative about him. He just sounds like an optimistic tech person.

Tis article gathers a few hypothetical evidence that shows that Hal Finney could not be Satosi Nakamoto. The author also believes Satoshi Nakamoto is/was a single person.

https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/






One more discussion about this is never too much I guess!