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January 16, 2018, 02:59:47 PM
#21
All Europe are out of stock.  Undecided
Impossible to find RX 580, RX Vega, some RX570 are still available.

We have to wait...

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January 16, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
#20
There is an amazing resale market right now. Just moved 2x 1070s on craiglist for 525 a piece and was lucky enough to get 2 open boxes from Microcenter for 1070tis for 469 and 2 more 1070tis from amazon for 510.  Flipping and adding cards for no out of pocket costs have been amazing.  That will end soon though I am sure once the large restock shows up soon.
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January 16, 2018, 02:49:24 PM
#19

-The Volta information is out for the prosumer level, not for the consumer level. Until more specs are out we can't extrapolate a hash per card.
Yes another reason why it doesn't make sense " waiting for Volta".

-Buying through an exchange is a pain in the butt, especially in the US (not as bad as when I had to wait 1 month to transfer money through Dwolla to Mt Gox, but still bad). Coin growing 2x to 3x per month?  You new kids have no perspective. Very few coins were actually worth mining besides in the times when they were launched. Oddly, the coins the coins that were best to be mined are the ones that many consider dead like BCN or BBR. All the other successful coins would have actually realized greatest gains if purchased at an exchange early on. But again getting an exchange to not screw you over (Mt Gox, Cryptsy, Vicurex...) is a risk that miners do not have to deal with.
BTC, ETH, LTC all coins that matter today were/are mineable. Yes mining hedges your risk which is what ive stated. Leaving coins on an exchange exposes you to it. I dont need perspective to determine risk since we're all pretty new in a space that is less than a decade old and impossible to predict.

A R9 390 costs about $300 - that would have bought about 38K ETH. It would never have been able to mine that amount even if POS doesn't arrive for a decade. But as you say hindsight is 20/20. Mining always leaves you with the hedge if ETH became trash. Only crazy people buy life savings level of crypto - look at Roger Ver - he's crazy and he's rich. I can't think of any miner that can roll on him... not even James Gibson (gigavps).

Personally, I'm past hedging. I see Jamie Dimon as the spawn of Satan. I'm going all in on crypto and my mining farm is strictly to keep me from getting in trouble (that's what my wife thinks). So you do both  which is what I stated also works for the majority and makes sense. You do it for personal reasons others for financial as explained above.
DrG
legendary
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January 16, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
#18
Also consider this, if you were mining with marginal electricity rates - then maybe upgrading to Volta cards might make sense. Now would be a great time to dump those old 280X, 390X and RX 470s. You will be missing out on 4 months of mining, but nothing is stopping you from buying the coins when they get dumped. It was easy to buy ETH below $210 in December (it stayed below that price on 2 different days). You could have scooped up almost 4 ETH for the price of a high end 1080Ti and you would have made enough profit if you sold at $1400 to build 1/2 a rig of 1080Tis (well, if you could find them now lol). Nobody knows when the market will launch other than whales who create waves.

If you're crazy you can even buy the proverbial shitcoin with money, but that's pretty much gambling to me. That's where I feel comfortable only mining - most I lose is electricity (I don't harp about what a could have mined instead).

Having some liquidity in some exchanges during times like this a great way to help diversify your income stream.



Couple of things:
-No one knows what Volta's will be like for mining more importantly at what price point. While I love a 90Mh/s or 1000 sol/s card Im not paying 3500 for it. I'd rather mine with a predictable output than bank on a "maybe it will be feasible"
-Hindsight is always 20/20; no one can predict the future.
-Buying through exchanges is great as long as the coin grows 2x-3x every other month. If not you're better off mining. So you hedge your bets. Doing both is the best approach for most ppl.
-Dont buy shit coins but keep a certain percentage of what you mine to take advantage of market booming; sell the rest to pay electricity and initial capital invested.
If the market tanks (and those coins in your exchange are worthless) you have your gpus to bank on rather than losing everything i.e. damage limitation.


how are people still able to source hardware?
Keep checking often and bookmark the webpages. Local slightly used places like craiglist and other options like ppl selling their rigs is a great way to get a good bargain.

-The Volta information is out for the prosumer level, not for the consumer level. Until more specs are out we can't extrapolate a hash per card
-Buying through an exchange is a pain in the butt, especially in the US (not as bad as when I had to wait 1 month to transfer money through Dwolla to Mt Gox, but still bad). Coin growing 2x to 3x per month?  You new kids have no perspective. Very few coins were actually worth mining besides in the times when they were launched. Oddly, the coins the coins that were best to be mined are the ones that many consider dead like BCN or BBR. All the other successful coins would have actually realized greatest gains if purchased at an exchange early on. But again getting an exchange to not screw you over (Mt Gox, Cryptsy, Vicurex...) is a risk that miners do not have to deal with.

A R9 390 costs about $300 - that would have bought about 38K ETH. It would never have been able to mine that amount even if POS doesn't arrive for a decade. But as you say hindsight is 20/20. Mining always leaves you with the hedge if ETH became trash. Only crazy people buy life savings level of crypto - look at Roger Ver - he's crazy and he's rich. I can't think of any miner that can roll on him... not even James Gibson (gigavps).

Personally, I'm past hedging. I see Jamie Dimon as the spawn of Satan. I'm going all in on crypto and my mining farm is strictly to keep me from getting in trouble (that's what my wife thinks).
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January 16, 2018, 02:07:01 PM
#17


Couple of things:
-No one knows what Volta's will be like for mining more importantly at what price point. While I love a 90Mh/s or 1000 sol/s card Im not paying 3500 for it. I'd rather mine with a predictable output than bank on a "maybe it will be feasible"
-Hindsight is always 20/20; no one can predict the future.
-Buying through exchanges is great as long as the coin grows 2x-3x every other month. If not you're better off mining. So you hedge your bets. Doing both is the best approach for most ppl.
-Dont buy shit coins but keep a certain percentage of what you mine to take advantage of market booming; sell the rest to pay electricity and initial capital invested.
If the market tanks (and those coins in your exchange are worthless) you have your gpus to bank on rather than losing everything i.e. damage limitation.



Good advice for a solid foundation.
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January 16, 2018, 01:48:46 PM
#16
Also consider this, if you were mining with marginal electricity rates - then maybe upgrading to Volta cards might make sense. Now would be a great time to dump those old 280X, 390X and RX 470s. You will be missing out on 4 months of mining, but nothing is stopping you from buying the coins when they get dumped. It was easy to buy ETH below $210 in December (it stayed below that price on 2 different days). You could have scooped up almost 4 ETH for the price of a high end 1080Ti and you would have made enough profit if you sold at $1400 to build 1/2 a rig of 1080Tis (well, if you could find them now lol). Nobody knows when the market will launch other than whales who create waves.

If you're crazy you can even buy the proverbial shitcoin with money, but that's pretty much gambling to me. That's where I feel comfortable only mining - most I lose is electricity (I don't harp about what a could have mined instead).

Having some liquidity in some exchanges during times like this a great way to help diversify your income stream.



Couple of things:
-No one knows what Volta's will be like for mining more importantly at what price point. While I love a 90Mh/s or 1000 sol/s card Im not paying 3500 for it. I'd rather mine with a predictable output than bank on a "maybe it will be feasible"
-Hindsight is always 20/20; no one can predict the future.
-Buying through exchanges is great as long as the coin grows 2x-3x every other month. If not you're better off mining. So you hedge your bets. Doing both is the best approach for most ppl.
-Dont buy shit coins but keep a certain percentage of what you mine to take advantage of market booming; sell the rest to pay electricity and initial capital invested.
If the market tanks (and those coins in your exchange are worthless) you have your gpus to bank on rather than losing everything i.e. damage limitation.


how are people still able to source hardware?
Keep checking often and bookmark the webpages. Local slightly used places like craiglist and other options like ppl selling their rigs is a great way to get a good bargain.
newbie
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Merit: 0
January 16, 2018, 01:35:31 PM
#15
Is this the case for all GPUs at the moment or are older ones more available? 1060s for example?

I feel like nobody answered his question Tongue, and I have the same one.

I have a 1080ti, a 1060, and a couple older AMD cards.  I also may be able to arrange bulk orders for AMD cards at MRSP.

Would like to learn more about bulk order from AMD. Wonder how you go about arranging that? Through a connection? How many cards would be need for such an order?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
January 16, 2018, 01:01:21 PM
#14
North america ive been told Amazon is your best place to get cheap, or otherwise normal priced GPUs since the availability is low world-wide. Here in the artic circle we have alot of availability but our prices are WAY higher than north-america.
full member
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January 16, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
#13
Click bait ass title. Use a fucking question mark not exclamation point you tosser
jr. member
Activity: 95
Merit: 2
January 16, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
#12
Thanks for the replies, everyone. Camping out at a local shop isn't really an option for me, unfortunately - there's nothing of any size nearby, so I'm left with ordering online. I've backordered on a couple of sites, and one gave me this pleasant (but unfortunate) response:

Quote
Unfortunately the item that you selected is “Out of Stock” and is currently on back order and there is no stock. The ETA provided by the manufacturer is approximately 2-4 months.

Yeesh.

I suppose I should try to avoid uniform rig-building efforts (ie. identical n brand/model GPUs) if I'm ever going to complete my 8 unit rig (sitting at 6 now).
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 534
January 15, 2018, 11:24:16 PM
#11
In North America, how the hell does one get ahold of GPUs? I'm looking for 1070s but everything's been sold out for a while now. I realize not many people will be willing to share their sources/methods, but seriously: how are people still able to source hardware?

Maybe I'm too noob.

I feel for you man.  I only have 24 gpu's and I want more Sad Sad Sad


Same here in Europe. I'm looking for cheap near-new GPUs... Not sure if it is still worth it with the BTC price drop. Any thoughts on that?
member
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January 15, 2018, 07:31:04 PM
#10
In North America, how the hell does one get ahold of GPUs? I'm looking for 1070s but everything's been sold out for a while now. I realize not many people will be willing to share their sources/methods, but seriously: how are people still able to source hardware?

Maybe I'm too noob.

I feel for you man.  I only have 24 gpu's and I want more Sad Sad Sad
sr. member
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Steady State Finance
January 15, 2018, 07:18:00 PM
#9
The problem of running out of stock is already a common thing, whether it's stock runs out or seller held until high prices. But whatever the problem, I personally always look for other Alternatives to get the hardware. By switching the GPU Brand but having the same hashrate in certainly Algo or the same relative price considerations. Indeed if NVIDIA has a more efficient power consumption in the appeal of AMD, But the price is slightly expensive.
full member
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January 15, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
#8
What do expect else? Mining profitability increases, hardware availability decreases, so you should invest in hardware in opposite trend.
DrG
legendary
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January 15, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
#7
Also consider this, if you were mining with marginal electricity rates - then maybe upgrading to Volta cards might make sense. Now would be a great time to dump those old 280X, 390X and RX 470s. You will be missing out on 4 months of mining, but nothing is stopping you from buying the coins when they get dumped. It was easy to buy ETH below $210 in December (it stayed below that price on 2 different days). You could have scooped up almost 4 ETH for the price of a high end 1080Ti and you would have made enough profit if you sold at $1400 to build 1/2 a rig of 1080Tis (well, if you could find them now lol). Nobody knows when the market will launch other than whales who create waves.

If you're crazy you can even buy the proverbial shitcoin with money, but that's pretty much gambling to me. That's where I feel comfortable only mining - most I lose is electricity (I don't harp about what a could have mined instead).

Having some liquidity in some exchanges during times like this a great way to help diversify your income stream.

newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
January 15, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
#6
Is this the case for all GPUs at the moment or are older ones more available? 1060s for example?

I feel like nobody answered his question Tongue, and I have the same one.

I have a 1080ti, a 1060, and a couple older AMD cards.  I also may be able to arrange bulk orders for AMD cards at MRSP.
full member
Activity: 254
Merit: 109
January 15, 2018, 06:31:05 PM
#5
As others have mentioned -

Don't be afraid to sell hardware when prices are too good.

Find a microcenter near you

Work the secondary markets - craigslist, letitgo, etc.


Prices are getting crazy high. I've sought out some feelers for prices on some of my vega rigs/cards. Probably move some cards pretty soon
DrG
legendary
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January 15, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
#4
This has been a recurrent problem since 2011. It's now 2018. Perhaps searching old threads will provide answers.

Sometimes money is more easily made doing the contrarian thing. When everybody else was scrambling for cards last June I was dumping most of mine at insane prices. I took the proceeds to buy crypto I wanted at "crashed" prices and save 1/2 to rebuy new hardware.

End result, I have mulitplied my hashrate from last year by 1.4x, dropped about 7KWH in inefficiency, and I also got more "free" crypto than my rigs could mine in 5 months with a couple clicks.

I'm debating if I should sell my rigs on Craigslist right now lol.

It's funny, crypto is putting trust into math and I'm selling card/rigs to people who can't do basic math... a fool and his money....
newbie
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Merit: 0
January 15, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
#3
Use the email notification of the item that you want so you got an email when it's in stock. It usually will be gone in less than 10mins so you have to be quick
legendary
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Bitcoin FTW!
January 15, 2018, 06:21:40 PM
#2
I live pretty close to a Micro Center and if you get there slightly before they start distributing the GPUs you can snag 1070s/1080s for MSRP. The only problem is a lot of people are in line for them, and I mean A LOT. Otherwise, the shelves there are just devoid of GPUs.
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