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hero member
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May 06, 2015, 11:08:08 PM
The risk to Bitcoin is not the NSA itself, but merely the RUMOR that NSA has cracked it...

That alone can undermine confidence.

So, if you feel the need to believe in a conspiracy, just tell yourself NSA is spreading a false rumor.

It's the cheapest way to undermine.

Perceptions are important but real issues are more so.
newbie
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May 06, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
The risk to Bitcoin is not the NSA itself, but merely the RUMOR that NSA has cracked it...

That alone can undermine confidence.

So, if you feel the need to believe in a conspiracy, just tell yourself NSA is spreading a false rumor.

It's the cheapest way to undermine.
hero member
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May 06, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
Mr. No-ice-please... 

You are certain that "SHA-256 will eventually be broken." 

I am certain that "eventually" in this case does not mean "within the next 50 years."

So ...  If you're under, say, 30, or otherwise have plans to survive well beyond what are currently considered as biological limitations for the basic human design by some means, I would like to make a bet with you. 

Got a couple BTC you're willing to commit to long-term escrow? 

Not a lot of spare coins to gamble with at the moment and long term for me is a few hours.

You are misinterpreting my complaint.
1)There are things that we know about the history of the NSA and the so called secure algorithms it promotes. They push bad crypto. Apparently that's their job. Fine.
2) It's not like we do not know what they do. It's like if you see a sign on a store that says "Rotten Horse Meat", and you buy what looks like beef. You get home and what do you think is going to be in the package?
3) The ethical issue is that the major use to which NSA intercepted information is put is not generally anything that benefits people in developing countries. In fact it is safe to say that if the NSA does own bitcoin effectively, in enough ways, it would be used to cancel political dissidents in repressive allied countries. A huge number of people have been killed in Latin america, Africa, Asia directly or indirectly by information the NSA provided to some pretty shitty governments. So a coin with an NSA algorithm should be a no go across the third world.

Is it broken? I don't know.
Will it be broken if it isn't,t? I don't know.
What do I know? See 1,2 and 3 above. It's enough for me.
legendary
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May 06, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
I didn't know hashes could be used for encoding.
It's easy to use hashes for encoding.

The decoding step, on the other hand, is a bit lossy...
Thanks, I needed that laugh.
legendary
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May 06, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
I didn't know hashes could be used for encoding.
It's easy to use hashes for encoding.

The decoding step, on the other hand, is a bit lossy...
legendary
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May 06, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Mr. No-ice-please... 

You are certain that "SHA-256 will eventually be broken." 

I am certain that "eventually" in this case does not mean "within the next 50 years."

So ...  If you're under, say, 30, or otherwise have plans to survive well beyond what are currently considered as biological limitations for the basic human design by some means, I would like to make a bet with you. 

Got a couple BTC you're willing to commit to long-term escrow? 
legendary
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May 06, 2015, 01:29:38 AM
Believe me, if there were a revolution in USA right now and people were organizing and communicating via SHA256 encoded text, suddenly SHA256 would "get cracked".

SHA256-encoded text? I didn't know hashes could be used for encoding.

It's not a literal example, you get the point.
hero member
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May 06, 2015, 01:04:33 AM
Believe me, if there were a revolution in USA right now and people were organizing and communicating via SHA256 encoded text, suddenly SHA256 would "get cracked".

SHA256-encoded text? I didn't know hashes could be used for encoding.
legendary
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May 05, 2015, 11:53:47 PM
If bitcoin is broken, why does it still work?

The NSA has back doors in every encryption since some time in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  PGP 8.0 was the last piece of software that did not contain any institutional back doors (I still have my discs).

point = moot

"Broken" means cracked. If sha  has some sort of NSA devised weakness, in your opinion, and I do think it is likely, then why is the point moot?

The way I see it, if everything is back doored already, why worry about it?  These things don't get exploited willy-nilly, they're last case option sorts of things, otherwise it would be too much in the forefront.

Believe me, if there were a revolution in USA right now and people were organizing and communicating via SHA256 encoded text, suddenly SHA256 would "get cracked".
hero member
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May 05, 2015, 10:09:26 PM
I don't know seems too far fetched. Maybe they could use one of there quantum qubit computer though  Shocked

It seems farfetched that the NSA would put a deliberate flaw in an algorithm?

Seriously?

?
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May 05, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
I don't know seems too far fetched. Maybe they could use one of there quantum qubit computer though  Shocked
hero member
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May 05, 2015, 08:03:35 PM
If bitcoin is broken, why does it still work?

The NSA has back doors in every encryption since some time in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  PGP 8.0 was the last piece of software that did not contain any institutional back doors (I still have my discs).

point = moot

"Broken" means cracked. If sha  has some sort of NSA devised weakness, in your opinion, and I do think it is likely, then why is the point moot?
legendary
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May 05, 2015, 04:19:13 PM
If bitcoin is broken, why does it still work?

The NSA has back doors in every encryption since some time in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  PGP 8.0 was the last piece of software that did not contain any institutional back doors (I still have my discs).

point = moot
hero member
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May 05, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
For anyone who has a reasonable understanding of cryptography, this is as silly as not trusting the number 0 because we're unsure who was the first culture to use it.

Are you saying that all of the cryptographers who say that sha will eventually be broken are wrong?

Or are you saying people should automatically trust anything pushed by the NSA culture?

You are a cryptographer, or reasonably understand it, you say?
hero member
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May 05, 2015, 12:26:25 PM
For anyone who has a reasonable understanding of cryptography, this is as silly as not trusting the number 0 because we're unsure who was the first culture to use it.

No, it would be not to trust the number 0 because we're sure the Mayans created it, and we know the Mayans are evil (you know, with all the 2012 doomsday thing... what year is it again?)
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May 05, 2015, 11:05:05 AM
For anyone who has a reasonable understanding of cryptography, this is as silly as not trusting the number 0 because we're unsure who was the first culture to use it.
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Bitcoin Samurai
May 05, 2015, 08:23:06 AM
I think the NSA created bitcoin... and they created SHA256
And they created this forum.

They also have friends who created several dark markets an dodgy exchanges. They are busy little bumble bee's aren't they?

Well, they didn't exactly create the dark markets, they helped run them  Tongue
And they didn't create exchanges they are just trying to regulate them  Shocked
hero member
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May 04, 2015, 04:50:47 PM
Who created SHA256?
NSA. Says wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2


The NSA did create sha256.
hero member
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
May 04, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
stop feeding the troll

I just wanted to repeat cypherdoc's advice before anyone's tempted to reply and get this thread going again.

Gorrammit I'm too late.
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May 04, 2015, 04:39:55 PM
Who created SHA256?
NSA. Says wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2
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