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Topic: Has this just been the "Silk Road drop" of 2014's bubble? - page 2. (Read 4353 times)

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Its interesting reading all the posts with everyone micro analysing.

I decided to buy a few bitcoins about a month back when the price was 580 and seen a price rise to 640'ish then a slow decline back to 580

Let me share my thoughts from a real Newbie perspective.

All the news I am reading is reinforcing that bitcoin is here to stay BUT this only applies if you are already a Bitcoin convert. Try looking at the news from an outsiders perspective and then you will soon realise there is nothing YET which will attract a mad rush.

In fact, the news is probably negative from their perspective as its all about regulation and seen as uncertain doom and gloom. How is New York looking to overregulate the crap out of it making it almost impossible to trade be good news!!

The counter arguement is simple; Bitcoin doesn't need New York it just needs financially credible locations and solid support to evolve.

Just to give you a small example i read a post from a major financial journal on bitcoin clearly stating that it was a shame the industry hadn't made it 3rd world friendly as over 3 billion people are impoverished and have no access to bank accounts etc. Shame he didn't take time to do some research www.37coins.com

My position is simple.. Keep reading the news as it dribbles through and each day ask myself.. is this adding to the foundation and strengthening Bitcoin.

Soon a major incident will break.. maybe a Warren Buffet or an Ebay and it will pump to $2500 and then, have a guess what. the same scenario will happen all over again as it drops back to $1500 BUT your portfolio will still have increased THREEFOLD!

From a simpleton newbie perspective.


Just want to know if the price will hit 100k some day.
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Its interesting reading all the posts with everyone micro analysing.

I decided to buy a few bitcoins about a month back when the price was 580 and seen a price rise to 640'ish then a slow decline back to 580

Let me share my thoughts from a real Newbie perspective.

All the news I am reading is reinforcing that bitcoin is here to stay BUT this only applies if you are already a Bitcoin convert. Try looking at the news from an outsiders perspective and then you will soon realise there is nothing YET which will attract a mad rush.

In fact, the news is probably negative from their perspective as its all about regulation and seen as uncertain doom and gloom. How is New York looking to overregulate the crap out of it making it almost impossible to trade be good news!!

The counter arguement is simple; Bitcoin doesn't need New York it just needs financially credible locations and solid support to evolve.

Just to give you a small example i read a post from a major financial journal on bitcoin clearly stating that it was a shame the industry hadn't made it 3rd world friendly as over 3 billion people are impoverished and have no access to bank accounts etc. Shame he didn't take time to do some research www.37coins.com

My position is simple.. Keep reading the news as it dribbles through and each day ask myself.. is this adding to the foundation and strengthening Bitcoin.

Soon a major incident will break.. maybe a Warren Buffet or an Ebay and it will pump to $2500 and then, have a guess what. the same scenario will happen all over again as it drops back to $1500 BUT your portfolio will still have increased THREEFOLD!

From a simpleton newbie perspective.
hero member
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Trust me!
Recent drop is not compared to that big one with silk road. Actually there is no bad news now.

Recent drop may been caused by Bitfinex long positions shutting (selling bitcoins and paying borrowed USD back and taking losses.) I also think that Coinbase and Bitpay give decent selling pressure to the markets.. And of course we have thousands of coins mined everyday.

The credit bubble on Finex hasn't really gone down I guess. It's true that there have been quite some incidents of burned longs I guess, some may even be wiped out by now, but I've yet to see a big definitive cascade happening!
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China crashed is one big correction. We have stabilize around 600.
legendary
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Recent drop is not compared to that big one with silk road. Actually there is no bad news now.

Recent drop may been caused by Bitfinex long positions shutting (selling bitcoins and paying borrowed USD back and taking losses.) I also think that Coinbase and Bitpay give decent selling pressure to the markets.. And of course we have thousands of coins mined everyday.
newbie
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Recent drop is not compared to that big one with silk road. Actually there is no bad news now.
full member
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Indicate this.

Indicate that.

Jesus Christ, I've gotta crap.

Hey, it's the Speculation forum after all Cheesy If we're not playing around with our nice little indicators, what would we be doing all day long?
sr. member
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According to the Trend Intensity Index this one is structurally significantly more bearish:



Wow, that's interesting. Care to elaborate on that indicator? Do you think this means we're practically condemned and awaiting the big fall?

i wouldn't pay too much mind to that without significant back-testing. it's hard to pull much from these sporadic data points.
sr. member
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SR crash was a deep flash crash. all we've seen is a slow grind down (like the post-March rally bear, except even slower). i hope we dont see a SR crash from here.... that would be painful to hold through. Cheesy
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
According to the Trend Intensity Index this one is structurally significantly more bearish:



Wow, that's interesting. Care to elaborate on that indicator? Do you think this means we're practically condemned and awaiting the big fall?
hero member
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Life is short, practice empathy in your life
According to the Trend Intensity Index this one is structurally significantly more bearish:

hero member
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
Past performance is not warranty of future gains.

I see no big exposure of bitcoin on media, so no reason to a recover beyond the last short term max of 630.

This is good news for us. Anything that makes this stage of low price longer means cheaper BTC for us. Sooner or later the mainstream will have to admit the realities of life. When BTC gets in ebay it will be impossible to ignore for the media.

If it gets in eBay. Nothing's for sure here. So your plan is to keep on piling up BTC as long as the price is at its current levels? Could work out.
sr. member
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Past performance is not warranty of future gains.

I see no big exposure of bitcoin on media, so no reason to a recover beyond the last short term max of 630.

This is good news for us. Anything that makes this stage of low price longer means cheaper BTC for us. Sooner or later the mainstream will have to admit the realities of life. When BTC gets in ebay it will be impossible to ignore for the media.
legendary
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Past performance is not warranty of future gains.

I see no big exposure of bitcoin on media, so no reason to a recover beyond the last short term max of 630.
hero member
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Trust me!
The silkroad-rushup was artificial with Willy buying tons of bitcoins with stolen money...
This whole Willy theory doesn't make any sense honestly.  

First of all, some have suggested that the bot was an bot/API for rich customers (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26is61/the_simplest_explanation_is_usually_the_right_one/) and not a conspiracy by Karpeles.
But most importantly, Mt. Gox was becoming less and less influential compared to say Bitstamp of BTC China at the time. With 2-3 major exchanges with more/similar volume, a single bot cannot just "command" the price of BTC and be the main reason for a massive bubble of that magnitude. Especially considering the role the chinese had in the last bitcoin madness.
Willy bot, if really a "conspiracy", might have accelerated and facilitated things and maybe made them a little more dramatic, but not more.

That's an important way to view the whole situation! Many people still claim that it was Willy's fault or good deed to the bitcoin community! But what if it really wasn't... I guess though, that many people are afraid because Willy isn't around anymore Sad
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
This seems different, the price keeps going down slowly in little steps, not in a sudden massive drop.

But it may have been just a small shatter or kick to get the train started!! Smiley Interesting answers so far, I concur with most assessments!
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This seems different, the price keeps going down slowly in little steps, not in a sudden massive drop.
sr. member
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But a drop from 600 to 550 its nothing compared to silk road crash (almost 35%) ... so it should be there a crash to at least 400 to "compare" both scenarios.
legendary
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SR users sold me some coins in a panic.
SR2.0 users bought my coins in a panic.

a hole group left and came back, this is a very unique event and probably won't happen again.

but thats not to say a good drop can't snap back and go higher for other reasons.

and i do not believe this is what cause the bubble, they gave is a good kick start is all.

the bubble happened when it was becoming more clear the US gov wasn't going to try to kill it.
hero member
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The silkroad-rushup was artificial with Willy buying tons of bitcoins with stolen money...
This whole Willy theory doesn't make any sense honestly.  

First of all, some have suggested that Willy was a bot/API for rich customers (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26is61/the_simplest_explanation_is_usually_the_right_one/) and not a conspiracy by Karpeles.
But most importantly, Mt. Gox was becoming less and less influential compared to say Bitstamp of BTC China at the time. With 2-3 major exchanges with more/similar volume, a single bot cannot just "command" the price of BTC and be the main reason for a massive bubble of that magnitude. Especially considering the role the chinese had in the last bitcoin madness.
Willy bot, if really a "conspiracy", might have accelerated and facilitated things and maybe made them a little more dramatic, but not more.
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