Topic: HashFast thread derailment part 3 - page 2. (Read 3450 times)

ITT: A case study on cognitive dissonance provided by subject Josh "2 more weeks" Zerlan

I feel kind of bad for the guy now. I just imagine him sitting at his computer on Christmas Eve desperately typing out these insults trying to hold onto his delusion that BFL has not been an absolute failure and borderline scam. KNC's ability to bring a 28NM ASIC miner to market in one quarter must really be giving him a cognitive dissonance flare up...

I'm nobody's fool, so quit trying this crap with me, i'm certainly not taking you for one.

The quote you keep throwing around was from Andreas's very first post in the forum. They hadn't finalised anything at that point. Originally they wanted to make an approx $5k machine where upon the first 500 paid x amount up front, and then the rest at a later date, and then a following 500 would pay at the later date.

They were putting the feelers out to see if 1,000 would bite, at which point they could work with a reputable ASIC design consultancy - ORSoC they had spoken to and poss hit the funding target required with a viable amount of numbers. They knew a figure of approx $5m was required to breakeven and fund NRE for silicon, components, manufacturing, labour, etc..

ORSoC had already worked with high frequency trading platforms and had followed Bitcoin with interest, but any idea lacking any substantial volume of potential interest to cover base costs, no dice.

Marcus (ORSoC) had already said screw the original idea if you want to do this you need to aim for 28nm straight away, as it's only a matter before someone else competent will. Mars was only ever a proof of concept, but they aimed to sell it at one point with a summer delivery, although again that had nothing to do with the original summer quote. Mars became surplus to requirement build wise and would have only have slowed the main project down. Jupiter was first suggested as a 250 Gh/s unit, then 350, then 400, before arriving at 550. Real engineers state targets they know they can reach, not best case simulations as other factors come into play w.r.t. to power and heat, only when something of statistical significance suggest otherwise can you with a degree of confidence claim otherwise. Optimistic BS that the crowd want to hear  is marketing, not engineering.

The Summer delivery date was never factored at the point of sale when the order book was opened. That's the crucial difference.

Entering a thread putting the feelers out to gauge a reaction to a hypothetical intention is no committal. When you take money and lay the deal out is what matters, both in terms of integrity and legality.

Claiming you will deliver a 600gh/s PCI-E based 28nm using a fab with known yield issues at 28 in December whilst taking payment was a contract, not a hypothetical statement to generate interest. There's a difference, and it's December btw...

Unfortunately evolution takes time. You can't expect a dancing money to turn into an intelligent human being overnight.

The problem with those stupid techniques is that they only work for a limited time on a limited population. Ice simply gave up. You should evolve as well, josh.

I can't say I am surprised. After all he is a cheat and a crook.

Classic. When you're losing the argument, resort to insults.

I am not the one making a stupid claim, like: "KNC were months late" and then backing it up with a proof that contain a contradiction within itself.

How can you be so stupid and be still alive?

KNC was 2 months away from taking any orders/customers' money when this statement was made.
It is even mentioned there in the text you just copied.

So, you're saying KNC was lying then?  Please explain this quote if I am wrong:


Let me guess... KNC didn't really post that, right?  Someone else posing as KNC did?

You're the only one talking whack here, my friend, sorry.

No, you were wrong they suggested summer before they even finalised a product offering, generated enough interest to JV with ORSoC, held an open day and opened for sales.

At the point they held an open day and most importantly opened for sales September was on the cards, and uploading a working unit well beyond the promised specs 45 mins before October began was quite the coup de grâce. I was there in person they really did get their shit together in just over 24 hours, and that's a hard act to follow.

When I first contacted them I stated exactly this; "this is a burnt community, make sure you under promise and over deliver." The whole margins thing to shy on the side of what was achievable was always in the cards, they knew precisely what they were doing, as such people are happy.

Perhaps this only a small community in the grand scheme of things and fresh newbie blood exists frequently enough outside the forum to sustain poor business practice, but this has always been the home of Bitcoin and a tarnished rep here will carry fourth...in essence you reap what you sow.

I have no beef with you Josh but you're talking whack above, and you know it.

Dude, why would you assume he has a family 
Who can possibly bear to live with such a person?

i hope your family dies in a car accident tomorrow. merry christmas!

You can't expect a crook to be honest. That is a trait reserved to good and decent people.

Inaba welched on a 1000 BTC bet that he personally made here on the forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-bfl-asic-1000-btc-bet-that-looks-like-inaba-lost-191600

Why no scammer tag?

MNW earned a scammer tag for the same offense:
http://codinginmysleep.com/et-tu-matt-bitcoin-mag-founder-welches-on-big-bet/

On a side note, I have a 5 BTC bet going myself regarding whether HF will deliver by year's-end.  Should I lose you can be assured I will be paying up, and should I fail to, I will be expecting the tag.

Ask him about his failed power consumption bet and he will just shut up and go to a corner.

Future tense. English motherf***er, do you speak it 

I'm glad I can ruin your Christmas then!  Your hopes and dreams are shattered!  Merry Christmas!

That idiot has some skewed perception of reality, thinking that any sane person would actually buy a BFL product by choice.
Not when the word "BFL" has been turned into a term with a definition meaning:

1. To have something you ordered - delivered so far behind schedule, that it is no longer useful to you. Especially in cases where delays are 100+ days and the manufacturer or reseller is refusing to offer a refund for the goods.
2. Scammed
3. Completely fucked over


BFL is what's wrong with the Bitcoin ASIC industry and I truly hope they go bankrupt.

Merry xmas?

Please honor your bets if you want to have some credibility here!