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Topic: Have all the 'Bull Runs' just been billionaires pumpin and dumpin? - page 2. (Read 353 times)

legendary
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I don't know what your mania is with seeing conspiracies of millionaires everywhere. In this cycle in which there has been institutional takeover and more millionaires buying than in the previous one, which was known as the retail cycle, there may have been a greater influence of millionaires if they have bought or sold but in the short term.

Not necessarily. The previous bull runs — especially in near peaks, mindless retail "investors" who just jump in on hyped assets had heavy participation. Them panicking is what cause the heavy drop as well, as it causes a domino effect.

I agree, and what we saw in the previous cycles is the norm for a highly volatile asset, without a major influence on the price of millionaires or Hedge Funds.

In this cycle we did see the influence of billionaires, like when Musk bought and sold, but the drop in these months is more due to cascading liquidations of leverage positions and panic selling when it was revealed that Celsius and others had problems.
hero member
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Nah, I don't think that billionaires have something to do with the bitcoin pump and dump. We haven't seen pumps in bear market, and if they think they can manipulate the price then they will obviously jump on every opportunity. On the contrary, they are just doing what we ordinary investors are doing right now, accumulate and buy more because it's quite cheap. Elon Musk  is lucky that he join just in time for the bull run and it seems that he is pumping it but that is not right as well.
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legendary
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Not necessarily. The previous bull runs — especially in near peaks, mindless retail "investors" who just jump in on hyped assets had heavy participation. Them panicking is what cause the heavy drop as well, as it causes a domino effect.
legendary
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Notably the 2020/2021 run, was this the 'Age of Elon'

No it was not, Elon jumped on the hype train when Bitcoin was in the early phase of the bull run. And he also quit early when he began spreading FUD about Bitcoin, and despite of that the price reached ATH.

If you're looking for correlation, it seems like bull-bear cycles are tied to halvenings. Shortly after the halvening the market turns bullish for a long time and reaches new highs, and then crashes and drops to a new floor, that is higher than the previous floor. This has been happening even before the billionaires got involved.
copper member
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If this was the case then wouldn't we be seesing pumps and dumps every month?

Why then does it take Bitcoin almost 3 years in a bear market if it is that easy to pump by billionaires?

The 2021 bull run was inevitable and it exactly followed the predicted 4 year cycle. Elon Mask just jumped into the ship after Bitcoin was already on it's way to a new all time high.
hero member
Activity: 1526
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In 2017's Bull run, as far as I can remember, the final catalyst is the CME or CBoE bitcoin future contracts offering in December. In 2020, well you can say that Elon and Saylor has influence the market and so is El Salvador making it legal tender. For the billionaires or whales, they have been in the market for many years and so they know the drill when to push and put their money and when to sell, just saying. So it's not just about them, average joe to can contribute to your definition of pump and dump.
legendary
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Many fall victim to bull market runs because anyone pumping crypto will be "right" so to speak as the entire market is increasing value.
jr. member
Activity: 58
Merit: 1
Notably the 2020/2021 run, was this the 'Age of Elon', is BTC really worth $20,000. £100,000 or "$1 million please like, subscribe click that notification button, comment and check the bybit link at the bottom for your chance to 100x leverage a shit coin" ?

Shall we just wait till the next billionaire wants to come along at the 'next cycle' and pump and dump?
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