Have you tried explaining provable fairness to old-school gamblers? - page 2.

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Quote from: xvids on March 01, 2020, 10:41:43 PM

Quote from: semobo on March 01, 2020, 06:10:23 AM

Actually I had experienced this to some guys but they never wanted to accept the facts and wants to continue as old school gamblers forever. Sad

I didn't take too much efforts on convincing them because they might never hit a jackpot in online gambling just same as in the casinos but they will portray that gambling sites are cheating the users so let them to choose on their own.

Same reason why I don't want to explain it to the old school gamblers,
I don't know if they could win and I don't want to be blame for their future addictions or lost.
I also think that they wouldn't like it or they aren't open to try out new things.

Hard part once they've start to listen to you and begin their journey, this types of gamblers are people who really attached to this business, when they learned this new venue you can't stop them anymore, though it's their responsibilities if they've got addicted or lose a huge amount of money but there's always inside you that whispering the guilt.
Explaining ain't hard for people who are ready to learned while to those who are attached with old school ways try do deal with it the hard way..

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Quote from: angrybirdy on February 29, 2020, 03:24:06 PM

I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

Right. Once they feel comfortable with what they did, they will not show their interest in something new. They will hear what we tell them, but they will not try to follow what we say unless they can open mind about something new. Usually, they will say oh that is okay, and maybe someday I will take a look because that is happening to me but not in the gambling industry Grin

Maybe some of them feel it is difficult to try a new one than to play in the game they usually play. They don't want to try, or they don't' want to learn about that.

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Old school gamblers usually playing the game traditionally such as cards games or dice and it was PvP players which mean there was no system to handle it such as online gambling and it wouldn't be suitable if you attempts to explain online casinos system such as provably fair to them because i'm sure they will not understand it or maybe they will ignore your explanation and for them fair games can be recognized if there is no players who cheating in the game and no more or no less

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Quote from: semobo on March 01, 2020, 06:10:23 AM

Actually I had experienced this to some guys but they never wanted to accept the facts and wants to continue as old school gamblers forever. Sad

I didn't take too much efforts on convincing them because they might never hit a jackpot in online gambling just same as in the casinos but they will portray that gambling sites are cheating the users so let them to choose on their own.

Same reason why I don't want to explain it to the old school gamblers,
I don't know if they could win and I don't want to be blame for their future addictions or lost.
I also think that they wouldn't like it or they aren't open to try out new things.

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Quote from: semobo on March 01, 2020, 06:10:23 AM

Actually I had experienced this to some guys but they never wanted to accept the facts and wants to continue as old school gamblers forever. Sad

I didn't take too much efforts on convincing them because they might never hit a jackpot in online gambling just same as in the casinos but they will portray that gambling sites are cheating the users so let them to choose on their own.

You cant really tell that online gambling is pure clean when it comes to fairness of games if you do compare it on offline ones.

Majority of them wont really care to play online and just like what being said above that they arent open for learning new stuffs or the tech and instead
they do just stick on the things they have been doing for ages.

When it comes to fairness talks they might really have that of perception but who knows on whats up to their minds.

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Quote from: Mumbeeptind1963 on March 01, 2020, 05:53:07 AM

I feel pity to those people who want to win and involve in gambling but have no enough knowledge to do it because they dont listen to others.

Based on my experience, I have no one that I could listen to but I really research on my own to understand my chances in the games I play in gambling.
Now actually it's not hard to educate ourselves, we will become responsible and mature if we continue to learn and improve ourselves.

Gambling is one of most risky venture to make money, therefore we should know how to manage the risk properly.

And though getting successful in gambling is possible but this is not for everyone, only few of the many can be successful.

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Actually I had experienced this to some guys but they never wanted to accept the facts and wants to continue as old school gamblers forever. Sad

I didn't take too much efforts on convincing them because they might never hit a jackpot in online gambling just same as in the casinos but they will portray that gambling sites are cheating the users so let them to choose on their own.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on February 29, 2020, 03:24:06 PM

I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

Correct. Old school gamblers prefer the old strategy and old gameplay in which they are seeing live the players that they are playing with because it helps them to read the cards of the players who are holding it and the typical expression of the gamblers also matters. In live casino it matters the expression of the gamblers if they see their cards bad or good so the old school gamblers mostly prefer this kind of gambling than a technology based in which the gambling will be just through online only. The thing is they are not so familiar on technical aspects so they are just prefer the old gambling style.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on February 28, 2020, 11:37:27 AM

I once tried to explain how the modern-day gambling is good because of probably fair mechanism but that person ignored my arguments and simply saying that "ball is in their court and they can do whatever they want". It means they are still believing that crypto gambling is just a rigged one regardless of whatever things we are having in the name of probably fair mechanism. I believe we must need more simple things to show them what probably fair things are.

Ball is in their court, now since they gave this example let's assume that he watches basketball and does the home team always win in NBA? Obviously no because there are referee (although I heard some of the refs are rigged) and that's how gambling works, we deposit money to a casino then we obviously trust them and if we trust them that much there is no harm trying to test the provably fair system as suggested by the casino.

I was able to find a quick link for a guide and don't know if it's accurate but here it goes - https://dicesites.com/provably-fair

But I do agree with you that provably fair games can be tough to explain since not everyone is familiar with seeds, sha algorithms and other key parts. I remember when I tried to explain to an online buddy of mine, he said what "probably fair"? Lol they don't even believe there is something called as provably fair.

Yes of course but to those interested only because explaining is easy but wasting time in someone who is not interested are too frustrating, particularly those people who seem want to earn but they dont want to learn because they want a easy money. I feel pity to those people who want to win and involve in gambling but have no enough knowledge to do it because they dont listen to others.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on February 28, 2020, 11:37:27 AM

I once tried to explain how the modern-day gambling is good because of probably fair mechanism but that person ignored my arguments and simply saying that "ball is in their court and they can do whatever they want". It means they are still believing that crypto gambling is just a rigged one regardless of whatever things we are having in the name of probably fair mechanism. I believe we must need more simple things to show them what probably fair things are.

Ball is in their court, now since they gave this example let's assume that he watches basketball and does the home team always win in NBA? Obviously no because there are referee (although I heard some of the refs are rigged) and that's how gambling works, we deposit money to a casino then we obviously trust them and if we trust them that much there is no harm trying to test the provably fair system as suggested by the casino.

I was able to find a quick link for a guide and don't know if it's accurate but here it goes - https://dicesites.com/provably-fair

But I do agree with you that provably fair games can be tough to explain since not everyone is familiar with seeds, sha algorithms and other key parts. I remember when I tried to explain to an online buddy of mine, he said what "probably fair"? Lol they don't even believe there is something called as provably fair.

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No I haven't tried it yet I have a family member that used to gamble a lot offline she would go to casino and also other types of gambling.
But I haven't tried to tell her anything about online gambling since for me she is only doing it to hang out with her friends,
And because of it I don't feel that she needs to learn any new things about gambling at all.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on February 29, 2020, 03:24:06 PM

I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

They are more confident doing whatever they've think is good for their own good while playing inside this industry. Gambling wizards are uneasy to changed up minds as they will keep playing the same style that they've used.
Things is complicated as they will continue closing their minds believing luck will continue following then doing the same old strategy.

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I have tried it with my uncle which is really into gambling,

But he then deny's everything I have said, his reason is because he want to be together with his co-gamblers. He explained a lot to me even the enjoyment they feel when they get their winnings in their hands.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on February 29, 2020, 03:24:06 PM

I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

This is true!

Most of them are old and arent to technology thats why they wont really be that interested in terms of online gambling and would stick to the things
theyve got used to be.It will vary though since there are people who do listen up on others suggestion or words but i doubt that they would
still stick to physical ones because the essence and ambiance is totally different when you do gamble in front of other people rather than into
your own pc.Its a matter of preference though.

You said that most of them aren't into technology that's why they don't have their interest in a new way of gambling,

But then you also stated that you have doubted that they would still stick to the physical or the old way of gambling. That contradicts your first statement.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on February 29, 2020, 03:24:06 PM

I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

This is true!

Most of them are old and arent to technology thats why they wont really be that interested in terms of online gambling and would stick to the things
theyve got used to be.It will vary though since there are people who do listen up on others suggestion or words but i doubt that they would
still stick to physical ones because the essence and ambiance is totally different when you do gamble in front of other people rather than into
your own pc.Its a matter of preference though.

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I don't. I doubt those old school gamblers will show their interest since they cannot show their expression through online, I am sure that they will prefer to do the old way than to try our way of gambling. They might also not understand how it works since most of them are not into technology.

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Quote from: serjent05 on February 29, 2020, 12:58:02 PM

I never had an experience explaining what provable fair is to old-school gamblers because they just simply don't understand, or if they do, they have no way of verifying if the game they are playing is provably fair. It will only kill their excitement knowing that the host of the game is maybe not honest with them. And I don't want to be the one doing that, joy killer.

^ Definitely right, if they are good gamblers they are intelligent enough to investigate how gambling work and if there's is a provably fair system in the virtual gambling industry. Commonly, most of them know what is provably fair once they know crypto but the problem is they don't know how to verify with it. Explaining will take too much time for them to understand, let them warn what is provably fair game and let them do their own research about it.

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I never had an experience explaining what provable fair is to old-school gamblers because they just simply don't understand, or if they do, they have no way of verifying if the game they are playing is provably fair. It will only kill their excitement knowing that the host of the game is maybe not honest with them. And I don't want to be the one doing that, joy killer.

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I never tried yet explaining provable fairness thing to my old-school gamblers? Why? Because I don't think so that they will have an interest in this kind of gambling. It will be uneasy for them to trust unknown virtual users on the internet. They are contented with those traditional gamble games and they are not that techie to try complicated things and not having time to study how it really works. In addition, they are only playing with real players that they can see physically to have fun and spend spare time with their friends.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on February 29, 2020, 04:13:56 AM

I did to a friend and he said how complicated systems are there just to make sure you can gamble with a peace of mind? wow! He said when he gambled he knew the other side was rigging and it was providing him with an extra thrill and fun to which I said how and he said he was testing his luck against the rigging lol. So yeah

Some other gamblers doesn't really care about the fairness of the site since they are aiming to have a adrenaline rush upon betting and I know some of my friends doing that but they still manage their bankrolls, but I still advise them not to do this nor play with that sites frequently since it could rigged them up until their wallet is empty.

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Quote from: alani123 on February 28, 2020, 06:45:10 AM

Do you have any experience trying to explain the virtues of provable fairness to your friends? To be honest, I don't have any other friends that gamble through commercial services so I don't have much experience. But I'd like to know if anyone else has achieved a change of faith with their friends.

The only friends into gambling I have are into online gambling already, so they're familiar with the concept and don't require an explanation. I think that online gambling is a much safer space than the traditional one, and only one of the reasons for that is provably fair gambling that means that unlike in physical casinos no cheating is possible here. Another reason is that you don't get to people who lose or win money (in person), so it allows avoiding face-to-face conflicts between the winner and the loser. Moreover, casinos are traditionally considered a place full of influential criminals, and mingling with those also doesn't sound like a good idea. I feel alright trying out various online casinos, but I would never even walk into a real one.

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