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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 22. (Read 565829 times)

legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Well hello there!
They seem to be in freefall right now... to the people (ie Puppet) who have been incredibly bearish on PETA, at what point, if any, do you see these becoming a good investment?
In short under peta's current model the timeline for these becoming a good investment will probably happen around the 2nd of Nebruary (that's right, the 2nd February of Never!)

The fixed elec/hosting fee's of this operation coupled with the fact that there is no longer any hardware reinvestment fund to et all basically guarantees that this asset is on the fast-track to 0 for investors.  

CryptX and company sure do appreciate your investment though I'm sure.
*smacking myself in the head for still owning any of these

*IPO Magic: I wish I would've been wrong though :/

There seems to be quite a correlation between the dividends and the daily Bitcoin price fluctuations. Probably the fixed costs (in fiat currency) are seriously eating into the dividends as the Bitcoin price drops. The swings are amplified as the difficulty hampers coin generation. We should see the dividends go up (less the difficulty increase) when the BTC price rises again - if at all! It is inevitable that mining will stop when the fixed costs = the bitcoins generated. It was a suicide vote to not invest in new mining equipment! We can only hope for Nebruary...
I'll say there's a direct correlation.  0.00000924 satoshi's/share dividend today and just look at what happened to the price.  Imagine how hard it's going to tank after this next difficulty jump which is likely to be between 21-25% imho.
newbie
Activity: 37
Merit: 0
They seem to be in freefall right now... to the people (ie Puppet) who have been incredibly bearish on PETA, at what point, if any, do you see these becoming a good investment?
In short under peta's current model the timeline for these becoming a good investment will probably happen around the 2nd of Nebruary (that's right, the 2nd February of Never!)

The fixed elec/hosting fee's of this operation coupled with the fact that there is no longer any hardware reinvestment fund to et all basically guarantees that this asset is on the fast-track to 0 for investors.  

CryptX and company sure do appreciate your investment though I'm sure.
*smacking myself in the head for still owning any of these

*IPO Magic: I wish I would've been wrong though :/

There seems to be quite a correlation between the dividends and the daily Bitcoin price fluctuations. Probably the fixed costs (in fiat currency) are seriously eating into the dividends as the Bitcoin price drops. The swings are amplified as the difficulty hampers coin generation. We should see the dividends go up (less the difficulty increase) when the BTC price rises again - if at all! It is inevitable that mining will stop when the fixed costs = the bitcoins generated. It was a suicide vote to not invest in new mining equipment! We can only hope for Nebruary...
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Well hello there!
They seem to be in freefall right now... to the people (ie Puppet) who have been incredibly bearish on PETA, at what point, if any, do you see these becoming a good investment?
In short under peta's current model the timeline for these becoming a good investment will probably happen around the 2nd of Nebruary (that's right, the 2nd February of Never!)

The fixed elec/hosting fee's of this operation coupled with the fact that there is no longer any hardware reinvestment fund to et all basically guarantees that this asset is on the fast-track to 0 for investors.  

CryptX and company sure do appreciate your investment though I'm sure.
*smacking myself in the head for still owning any of these

*IPO Magic: I wish I would've been wrong though :/
full member
Activity: 138
Merit: 100
New share price plateau approaching?
Kinda doubt it.  I have a feeling share price will be down in the 170000 range here in about 10 days or so.

I have a feeling you're right.

hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 502
You all realize it could have very well been a Ponzi scheme from the start, right?  They could've just been renting the mining equipment themselves the entire time, and since the ROI to date isn't close to breaking even, its plausible that they could've just been paying out the principal.
newbie
Activity: 55
Merit: 0
Well that email is quite the confidence boost... Let's buy some PETA shares... NOT

I used to own some PETA shares.  I bought into the original business model, where part of the mining income was reinvested for future equipment.  This made a lot of sense to me, since I was planning to keep this as a long-term investment.  Unfortunately, the difficulty rose relatively quickly, mining income was falling, the share price was falling, and the operating costs and loan still had to be paid.  If the loan had been paid off as scheduled, there would not be enough significant income to save up for future equipment.  Being able to purchase replacement equipment is required to sustain the mining operation.  As a result, I don't think shareholders will ever break even unless CRYPTX reveals a good new business plan.

In my own situation, my PETA investment had lost 50% of its value, and I didn't even buy the IPO!  I ran the numbers on July 16th to project the sum of all future dividends.  That number was lower than the value of my shares at the time (0.00262BTC), so I sold them.  I know that some shareholders hope that the PETA share price will rise again, but in the long-term, the value of owning the mining power of 1GH/s will continue to decrease as difficulty increases, especially now that the share price is directly tied to owning 1GH/s of mining power.  Also, the share price does not include operating costs, which are deducted from the daily dividend.

I looked into buying mining equipment, but that costs 2USD per GH, plus shipping, plus electricity, plus having to monitor equipment.  More importantly, it didn't look profitable ( https://tradeblock.com/mining/ ).  Someone mining at home is at a disadvantage to those who purchase equipment at volume discounts and operate it in a data center in an area with cheaper electricity.

I was about to give up on Bitcoin mining altogether, but then I found a cloud mining company that offered an excellent deal.  For 0.0029BTC a GH/s (currently 1.71USD), you could buy a 5 year mining contract with all expenses included.  In other words, you pay a flat upfront fee which includes all operating costs, and then you harness the full power of the mining equipment.  The weekly dividend that I receive is exactly what Bitcoin Wisdom projects.  https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Here is a comparison between PETA's dividends versus the cloud mining contract dividends for the period of July 27th-today, August 11th:
PETA: 0.00022992BTC
Mining Contract: 0.00042905BTC

If I controlled 2,000GH/s, my dividends for the period would be:
PETA: 0.46BTC
Mining Contract: 0.85BTC (that's 86% more)

Let's do a quick comparison of PETA vs the cloud mining company:
Buy 2,000 shares at 0.00188 on 7/27 = 3.76BTC (in reality, the shares were worth at least 0.00285 on that date)
Amount of dividends to expect through 8/10/15, assuming difficulty increases 13% every 2 weeks, and that PETA fees also decrease 13% every 2 weeks (unlikely): 3.46BTC
Loss from holding onto PETA shares: 0.3BTC (or more)

Buy 2,000GH/s cloud mining contract at 0.0029 on 7/27 = 5.8BTC
Amount of dividends to expect through 8/10/15, assuming difficulty increases 13% every 2 weeks: 6.44BTC
Profit from contract: 0.64BTC
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
I got a reply back from CryptX very quickly when I inquired about the 14:1 split and asking for an update, since they haven't posted one since the beginning of July.

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Thanks for your mail. Perhaps you missed the fact that we converted the outstanding loan of 342,9 BTC to 4650 PetaMine units, so the loan did not have to be paid back.

We will provide an update soon.

Best,

CryptX

Well that email is quite the confidence boost... Let's buy some PETA shares... NOT
All this was very clear a while ago when they announced it....
Hash rate is rising real quick now, this project is looking to be dead sooner then later

have fun day trading everyone
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I got a reply back from CryptX very quickly when I inquired about the 14:1 split and asking for an update, since they haven't posted one since the beginning of July.

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Thanks for your mail. Perhaps you missed the fact that we converted the outstanding loan of 342,9 BTC to 4650 PetaMine units, so the loan did not have to be paid back.

We will provide an update soon.

Best,

CryptX

Well that email is quite the confidence boost... Let's buy some PETA shares... NOT
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
I got a reply back from CryptX very quickly when I inquired about the 14:1 split and asking for an update, since they haven't posted one since the beginning of July.

Quote
Thanks for your mail. Perhaps you missed the fact that we converted the outstanding loan of 342,9 BTC to 4650 PetaMine units, so the loan did not have to be paid back.

We will provide an update soon.

Best,

CryptX
full member
Activity: 136
Merit: 100
They seem to be in freefall right now... to the people (ie Puppet) who have been incredibly bearish on PETA, at what point, if any, do you see these becoming a good investment?
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
These puppies are losing their value much faster than I anticipated.  Guess I'll be taking a much bigger loss on these puppies than even my worst case scenario's. 

Synopsis: No Bueno!
Looks like DiscusFish is finally beating out ghash
divs are going to suffer today im sure
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Well hello there!
These puppies are losing their value much faster than I anticipated.  Guess I'll be taking a much bigger loss on these puppies than even my worst case scenario's. 

Synopsis: No Bueno!
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
Sorry for being late to the party about this, but here goes anyway.

Does anyone else find it strange that they used the term "reverse split"? A reverse split increases share prices and removes shares from circulation.

Or that the split resulted in 14 shares instead of 15. Either they are very clever or incredibly stupid. They can do whatever they want anyway, because most of us are too damn stupid to realize when they are digging in our pockets...

I think a while ago some people mentioned that it was a stock split and not a reverse split but people forgot about it.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to

Have they not been on p2p shown here - http://pool.petamine.co:9332/ ?

4 th/s less than 1% of 1,150 th/s, and it hasn't gone up. So I guess they're just ignoring the vote for p2pool. Angry
Looks like p2pool hashrate has roughly doubled since you posted this yesterday not that it's helping out share prices much atm.
why would help the share price, that is not PETA mining on there..
when they were mining they were using their main 1PETA addresss
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1000
Well hello there!
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to

Have they not been on p2p shown here - http://pool.petamine.co:9332/ ?

4 th/s less than 1% of 1,150 th/s, and it hasn't gone up. So I guess they're just ignoring the vote for p2pool. Angry
Looks like p2pool hashrate has roughly doubled since you posted this yesterday not that it's helping out share prices much atm.
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Sorry for being late to the party about this, but here goes anyway.

Does anyone else find it strange that they used the term "reverse split"? A reverse split increases share prices and removes shares from circulation.

Or that the split resulted in 14 shares instead of 15. Either they are very clever or incredibly stupid. They can do whatever they want anyway, because most of us are too damn stupid to realize when they are digging in our pockets...
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to

Have they not been on p2p shown here - http://pool.petamine.co:9332/ ?

4 th/s less than 1% of 1,150 th/s, and it hasn't gone up. So I guess they're just ignoring the vote for p2pool. Angry

There always could be something that has come up,something could be holding things up.I cant think of how it could benefit anyone if they were dishonest about moving to P2P.
newbie
Activity: 37
Merit: 0
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to

Have they not been on p2p shown here - http://pool.petamine.co:9332/ ?

4 th/s less than 1% of 1,150 th/s, and it hasn't gone up. So I guess they're just ignoring the vote for p2pool. Angry
newbie
Activity: 36
Merit: 0
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to

Have they not been on p2p shown here - http://pool.petamine.co:9332/ ?
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
New share price plateau approaching?
Not when P2P news hits then id think at least .003

I gave them instructions for bitfury hardware to mine on p2pool like a month and a half ago
If they havnt switched yet they aren't going to
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