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Topic: [HAVELOCK] SF1 - Announcement of Consultation Poll (Trading Halted) (Read 4206 times)

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SF1  - Announcement of Consultation Poll opened to SF1 unit holders

Temporary interruption of trading of 'SF1' units

The trading of 'SF1' units is temporarily halted under joint accord of Havelock Investments and Seedco Management Limited. The interruption is scheduled to last until October 8th, 12 noon time EST. During this period Seedco Management Limited would like to consult the SF1 unit holders regarding a potential unit buy back and/or unit conversion offer via a Consultation Poll which has been sent out to all SF1 unit holders.

Respondents may submit their answers to the consultation poll before the 8th of October, 2014 noon time EST.
 
Poll answers are for consultation only and will remain anonymous, only aggregate results will be published via Havelockinvestments.com.

Following the publication of the results of these polls SF1 units will resume trading on Havelockinvestments.com and Seedco Management Limited may proceed with a formal offer at a later date.





reading this post and i get an idea... Grin
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Please note that as of November 4, 2014 SF1 trading has been halted on Havelockinvestments.com

Subsequent to a consultation period initiated by Seedco Management Limited on October 1st the results of which have been posted on Havelockinvestments.com, Seedco Management Limited has decided to proceed with a buy-back and unit to share conversion offer.

Subject to holding more than 2,000 SF1 units at the time of this offer, SF1 unit holders may be considered eligible to convert SF1 Units to Shares.

However, since November 4, we have received a few requests by unit holders holding less than 2,000 SF1 units who have expressed interest to buy additional units in order to reach the 2,000 units minimum threshold for conversion into Shares.

After discussion with Havelockinvestments.com we have decided to allow one time single purpose trades at the fixed price of BTC 0.00045 per unit for those unit holders who may wish to reach the threshold of 2,000 units only. If you are a potential buyer or seller of SF1 units at BTC 0.00045 per unit please contact us at [email protected] mentioning in the subjet “private transaction of SF1 units” before November 12th 12 noon EST. The private transactions will be brokered via Havelock Investments upon our submission of information to them.
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An announcement will be made in the next few days. Sorry about the delay. We will communicate via www.havelockinvestments.com before Friday 31st of October. Trading of SF1 remains open until further notice.
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Offer was stated to happen by the 25th so hopefully we hear something soon. The companies seem to be doing great.
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Seedcoin - www.seedco.in
Any issue with an individual unit holder conversion of shares will be dealt on a case by case by the SML lawyer.
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Wow surprised so many wanted to sell it's more than I expected. Has there been any legal issue with converting US citizens as shareholders?
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Results of the SF1 Consultation Poll held from October 1st till October 8th, 2014

Out of total units held by respondents
87.42% of respondents (based on their unit holdings) wish to either sell their units at offered price or convert to SHL shares

Out of total number of respondents
91.30% of respondents (based on number of respondents) wish to either sell their units at offered price or convert to SHL shares

Out of respondents holding less than 2,000 units
88.00% of respondents (based on number of respondents) wish to either sell their units at offered price or convert to SHL shares
52.00% of respondents (based on number of respondents) wish to sell their units at offered price
12.00% of respondents (based on number of respondents) do not wish to either sell their units at offered price nor convert to SHL shares

Out of respondents holding more than 2,000 units
95.24% of respondents (based on number of respondents) wish to either sell their units at offered price or convert to SHL shares
85.30% of respondents (based on their unit holdings) wish to convert to SHL shares
4.76% of respondents (based on number of respondents) do not wish to either sell their units at offered price nor convert to SHL shares

Number of respondents as a percentage of total units of SF1 : 22.86%
average number of units held by respondents holding less than 2,000 units :    592 units (rounded)
average number of units held by respondents holding more than 2,000 units : 21,768 units (rounded)

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These results have been submitted to Havelock Investments prior to publication. Seedco Management Limited will announce its decision regarding the potential buy back and/or conversion offer of SF1 units at the latest by October 25th, 2014. Trading of SF1 on Havelockinvestments.com will be open at least until the time of this announcement.
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Got an email from one of the owners indicating that have provided Havelock with the results and that they should be posted next week. He did indicate no decisions have been made as of yet for an offer but if they do it will be posted on Havelock. So sounds like we just need to sit tight for a bit longer to see what happens. I've actually really enjoyed using btc.sx during these huge swings in bitcoin price if you want to give it a try feel free to try here

https://btc.sx/r/18043

The companies are doing well and Seedcoin as a company has continued to invest in other companies. I doubt they would want a negative image for larger investors as that seems to be their recent focus. I think the have at least provided some improvement in stockholder confidence and I'm hoping they do proceed with converting shareholders to SHL and at least a reasonable buyback.

They raised 2000 bitcoins and distributed them when the price was around 700 and should have gotten equity at that rate. Now with the price of bitcoin at half even buying a share at ipo price your paying half the price (in usd) for the original amount of equity.
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... we don't know what they are going to do.

Most of us do know what they're going to do.  That's what makes this so amusing to watch.
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So if a person does not want the buy back but has less than 2000 shares can they top up their shares at 0.0001 per?

Seems legit

No you will have to buy up at market rate because all share of the fund were sold. The were 2 million shares that raised 2000 bitcoins.

Edit: as well no offer has been made yet so we don't know what they are going to do.
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So if a person does not want the buy back but has less than 2000 shares can they top up their shares at 0.0001 per?

Seems legit
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Following the publication of the results of these polls SF1 units will resume trading on Havelockinvestments.com and Seedco Management Limited may proceed with a formal offer at a later date.
 trading has resumed but nothing has been published. What exactly is going on here?

That's a good question. They did say voting was until the same time as the markets opened and that Havelock would verify the results but that should have happened by now. Hopefully we hear soon.
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Ad maiora!
Following the publication of the results of these polls SF1 units will resume trading on Havelockinvestments.com and Seedco Management Limited may proceed with a formal offer at a later date.
 trading has resumed but nothing has been published. What exactly is going on here?
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@Germican

Lol, was this your vote of confidence? Cheesy



Nope they actually bought my share  Cheesy
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@Germican

Lol, was this your vote of confidence? Cheesy

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^OMG buy now and make munyz!!!11!
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Market is back open but any idea when to expect an update on the outcome of the poll?
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Thank you for the response and I agree with the decision just personally would not be happy with a buy back at that price as it has much more value to me. I did vote no on the buyback so I can only hope others do as well. But I have a feeling most would not be interested in selling back at that price as many can look at the companies and see that they are doing well. Plus the low price I think has a lot to do with the low volumes and the ability of one larger share holder to completely tank the market. After a huge drop it's unlikely that the price will recover to the same price prior to the dump because of the long term nature of the security compared to most others that try pushing securities that offer quick ROI and then end up failing. People tend to get wowed by the next big investment and constantly want to be jumping their bitcoins around.

I see that this will most likely continue if the offering stays on Havelock. However i don't see that as a horrible thing as those that do see value in the company can get shares for a fraction of the price. But having the market stay like that can produce A LOT of bad PR and people calling scam.

Looking forward to seeing the results though. I would like to convert to SHL but if I'm forced to sell back I really hope it is a much much higher price. Nothings worse than seeing and investment you think is doing well and want to hold for a while force you to take a huge loss because others don't value the security in the same terms.
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Thank you for removing the allegations of 'scamming' on the Trust grading system of this forum.

We are not 'attacking the people who may have invested', I think you would find it hard to point at my comments that attack any of the investors. I do not understand how a consultation about a buy back offer or conversion in shares can be labelled 'scam or attempt to defraud investors'.

You may not be scamming your investors in the traditional sense.  However, if I were forced to sell my shares back at 45% of what I paid for them, especially given the promising results that your startups have shown so far (which you mentioned), I'd feel scammed.  I wouldn't be surprised if others felt the same way.

In any case, thank you for finally providing some answers to the simple questions I asked several posts ago.
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Even if this isn't a deliberate  scam or attempt to defraud your investors, your lack of answers makes me feel like Seedcoin is not acting in good faith.  Simply answering a couple questions, rather than attacking the people who may have invested, would go a long way to clearing that up.

Thank you for removing the allegations of 'scamming' on the Trust grading system of this forum.

We are not 'attacking the people who may have invested', I think you would find it hard to point at my comments that attack any of the investors. I do not understand how a consultation about a buy back offer or conversion in shares can be labelled 'scam or attempt to defraud investors'. Trading has been temporarily halted and will resume next Wednesday, no offer has been made yet.

The reason for doing the consultation is to find out if investors would be interested to sell their units at a substantially higher price than SF1 has been trading for the last four months on Havelockinvestments or to convert these into shares of Seedco Holdings Limited. There are legal and economic constraints that prevent us from being able to offer all SF1 unit holders to convert into SHL shares, this is why a minimum number of units is mentioned to do so in the consultation. However, for those unit holders who may wish to reach this threshold they could increase their holdings once SF1 trading resumes, on October 8th, 2014 at 12 noon time EST.

Seedcoin and SF1 (or SHL) are two distinct entities therefore if there were a buy back, Seedcoin legal entity would be the acquiring entity financing this buy back and paying the legal costs to convert SF1 units into SHL shares. Seedcoin has raised funds privately for sustaining its operations and to continue to provide services to the incubated companies such as the SF1 startups, part of these funds could be allocated to a potential buy back.

There is one important element of SF1 to be considered in the discussions, the SF1 startups. This is our main motivation from the start. We have raised funds on Havelock because we thought of it as a cost efficient way to finance bitcoin startups at a time when venture capital was limited and a way to provide exposure in (and to) the bitcoin community to entrepreneurs trying to build their bitcoin companies. Today these startups are doing well, providing useful services to thousands of users around the world, and despite your assertions we have communicated this to the community at large. Most of the SF1 investors are aware of the success of these startups, they should be proud of it and yes we are grateful for their help in facilitating this. To put it mildly, the SF1 startups' achievements - and our support that can go back one year for some of these - are not reflected in the SF1 unit price. The bitcoin investment space has been hurt by frauds and bankruptcies like MtGox and several others. The distrust generated by these frauds may be among the reasons why some tend to use words like 'scams' rather quickly on these forums.  For honest, hard working entrepreneurs such as the startup founders we support, this can be quite frustrating.

We are assessing whether it is beneficial for the SF1 startups, and hence for the startup investors, to be available for trading on a market where numbers (volume, price, market cap) indicate a lack of interest in this type of investments. In one whole week of August there were 28 units of SF1 traded (or about BTC0.007 of trading), extremely low week but real nonetheless. You may think the status quo is fine but our main goal is to keep on helping SF1 startups growing and at this time I do not think a SF1 market cap of BTC300 - or less than 20% of the funds invested in these startups since the offering - is a good indicator of the value or potential of these companies. The SF1 startups are raising post seed funds through their own channels and through our contacts, a depressed SF1 unit price is not a positive element in that process.

Re. the voluntary aspect of a buy back offer, that would depend on the results of the consultation. If the vast majority of the SF1 unit holders were in favor of a buy back at the price mentioned in this consultation then leaving a small part of the units for trade on Havelock may not make much sense. The results will be discussed with Havelock and any offer would have to be approved by Havelock before being made. At this time nothing has been set yet, this is why a consultation has been opened. We are confident that unit holders will look both at their interests and at the wider picture, i.e. what is in the best interest of the startups and the unit holders in general.









 




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