Havelockinvestments.com: Who are they and why would anyone trust them? - page 3.

thoughtfan

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Quote from: fydel on January 20, 2013, 08:28:00 AM

The havelockinvestments.com site is down. Two days after I put some bitcoins there...

I hate this game. Angry

Have you PM'd lightbox? Maybe a downside of it being a bricks and mortar outfit is that it's likely they have weekends (or Sundays at least) off and are unaware that there is a problem?

fydel

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Hasta la Bitcoin siempre!

The havelockinvestments.com site is down. Two days after I put some bitcoins there...

I hate this game. Angry

niko

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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.

Quote from: deadweasel on January 18, 2013, 12:08:23 PM

If you have invested with them, what made you feel safe enough to invest your bitcoins?

Time. I've been doing business there for a while. As for the initial step, see below.

Quote from: deadweasel on January 18, 2013, 12:08:23 PM

Why can't I find any real information about them?

Because you haven't really tried.

MPOE-PR

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Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on January 19, 2013, 12:24:02 PM

I'm hoping that if Satoshi Dice ever does a secondary offering, the "colored coin" & p2p exchange clients (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chromawallet-colored-coins-issue-and-trade-private-currenciesstocksbonds-106373) will be mature enough so that ownership and distribution of assets can be done directly through the Blockchain, without 3rd parties.

Never going to happen. In the case of S.DICE the contract spells that out, but in the case of everyone else: if you are a legitimate business, circumventing the exchange does not, in fact, make sense. The only way what you propose makes sense is if someone is trying to play the lemon game. You can see that point discussed in more detail here.

n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU

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Quote from: thoughtfan on January 19, 2013, 01:15:14 AM

If my understanding of the relationship between Havelock, MPEx and S.DICE is correct this is a weakest link scenario. So whilst content enough to go ahead with some shares - even if it's just to say a silent thank you to all the players when when I see the bets piling through on the block chain - it is my assessment that the whole picture is a bit precarious for me to be looking at investing substantial sums right now.

My sentiment exactly. It's hard enough to trust to trust the issuer, and then adding two more layers of potential failure and fraud top of that, it becomes pure gambling, not investing.

I'm hoping that if Satoshi Dice ever does a secondary offering, the "colored coin" & p2p exchange clients (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chromawallet-colored-coins-issue-and-trade-private-currenciesstocksbonds-106373) will be mature enough so that ownership and distribution of assets can be done directly through the Blockchain, without 3rd parties.

We've successfully disintermediated banks and credit cards...now it's time to disintermediate exchanges.

thoughtfan

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Quote from: Bowjob on January 18, 2013, 03:48:26 PM

Quote from: deadweasel on January 18, 2013, 02:20:18 PM

Quote from: Bowjob on January 18, 2013, 02:10:15 PM

Havelock is run by the same guy who operates Canadian Bitcoins and Lightbox technologies.

http://www.lightbox.ca/

They have been around for a while now even before Bitcoin.

http://www.lightbox.ca/about.php

Many thanks, I will look into lightbox. I have heard the name thrown around but didn't know what they did.

Do you invest some of your BTCs through one of these services?

Yes, I have some shares at Havelock. I chat with James from time to time through his irc channel. I'm positive he's legit. Heck you can visit his office at Ottawa if you want to drop by.

There's a good chance some of the Bitcoin kid-operating-out-of-basement outfits will become very successful in due course but it's somewhat reassuring to know that at least this part of the process is a bricks-and-mortar established business. I'm getting the sense that not all are happy to entrust their trades to MPEx but that's not a reflection on Havelock Investments.

If my understanding of the relationship between Havelock, MPEx and S.DICE is correct this is a weakest link scenario. So whilst content enough to go ahead with some shares - even if it's just to say a silent thank you to all the players when when I see the bets piling through on the block chain - it is my assessment that the whole picture is a bit precarious for me to be looking at investing substantial sums right now.

JordanL

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I don't know the company, but I've been using cavirtex for some time, they've been extremely reliable and I trust them as much as any company currently in Bitcoin. Based on that, I've invested a couple dozen BTC in the mining funds and S.Dice passthrough on Havelockinvestments.com. They don't seem to have a very high liquidity compared to other platforms, but their system is really good. I'm excited to watch them grow as they earn more trust, and more users find out about them.

lightbox

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And I'm here too, so ask me anything, send me an email, give me a call, or stop by the office sometime

Portnoy

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My money; Our Bitcoin.

Since August they have been in partnership with the Canadian Bitcoin exchange VirtEx (www.cavirtex.com), which has proven itself to be fairly trustworthy ( even though the dramatic increase in their fees has pretty much put an end to arbitrage opportunities with them... for small-time players like myself anyway. Sad

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Quote from: deadweasel on January 18, 2013, 02:20:18 PM

Quote from: Bowjob on January 18, 2013, 02:10:15 PM

Havelock is run by the same guy who operates Canadian Bitcoins and Lightbox technologies.

http://www.lightbox.ca/

They have been around for a while now even before Bitcoin.

http://www.lightbox.ca/about.php

Many thanks, I will look into lightbox. I have heard the name thrown around but didn't know what they did.

Do you invest some of your BTCs through one of these services?

Yes, I have some shares at Havelock. I chat with James from time to time through his irc channel. I'm positive he's legit. Heck you can visit his office at Ottawa if you want to drop by.

thoughtfan

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Quote from: deadweasel on January 18, 2013, 02:20:18 PM

Do you invest some of your BTCs through one of these services?

I have made a small investment in S.DICE in recent days through Havelock on the basis of the conversation that was going on this thread. No problems so far but I've not tried to sell, nor have there been any dividends so I'm not in a position to vouch for them much other than to say it was straightforward. The web service seems to do what it says on the box!

deadweasel

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Quote from: Bowjob on January 18, 2013, 02:10:15 PM

Havelock is run by the same guy who operates Canadian Bitcoins and Lightbox technologies.

http://www.lightbox.ca/

They have been around for a while now even before Bitcoin.

http://www.lightbox.ca/about.php

Many thanks, I will look into lightbox. I have heard the name thrown around but didn't know what they did.

Do you invest some of your BTCs through one of these services?

Bowjob

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Havelock is run by the same guy who operates Canadian Bitcoins and Lightbox technologies.

http://www.lightbox.ca/

They have been around for a while now even before Bitcoin.

http://www.lightbox.ca/about.php

deadweasel

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Quote from: Lethn on January 18, 2013, 01:16:13 PM

This is one of the risks involved with Bitcoins and what it will be like from now on if you use Bitcoins regularly, you won't ever know 100% whether you can trust the person on the other end or that they are even who they say they are. What I would recommend if you're unsure about a company but they look professional invest a small amount of Bitcoins and see how it goes. The usual rules of investing apply, never invest more than you can afford to lose and always do checks on the company.

If you still feel you can't trust them then don't put any money in, all that will happen is you haven't made anything, but you also haven't lost anything either.

I don't know what I was hoping for. I realize all of the above, but was hoping somebody had put together a dossier or something on these guys.

Maybe I should start a bitocin service vetting company? Hrm, no, too likely to be sued when an owner up and goes to malaysia.

Thanks though!

Lethn

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This is one of the risks involved with Bitcoins and what it will be like from now on if you use Bitcoins regularly, you won't ever know 100% whether you can trust the person on the other end or that they are even who they say they are. What I would recommend if you're unsure about a company but they look professional invest a small amount of Bitcoins and see how it goes. The usual rules of investing apply, never invest more than you can afford to lose and always do checks on the company.

If you still feel you can't trust them then don't put any money in, all that will happen is you haven't made anything, but you also haven't lost anything either.

deadweasel

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I can't find anything about havelock investments that would convince me to trust them with my bitcoins. I don't see havelock investments thread here that convinces me this is anything but another scam.

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/contact.php

Has pretty basic and easily faked stuff. I know they are a mining group, but that doesn't convince me to invest in their shares.

Bitcoin reviews single comment doesn't give me any trust either:

http://www.thebitcoinreview.com/site.php?site_id=965

Who are they?

If you have invested with them, what made you feel safe enough to invest your bitcoins?

Why can't I find any real information about them?

What is your personal opinion?

Thanks in advance -- I very much want to invest in SDICE but none of the available options put me at ease enough to do so.

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