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It's not advisable to invest in Bitcoin on the short term because it's a volatile asset, it's price might dip at the time that he wants to sale.
Investment is not for short term and if anyone considers his activities with money as investment in short term, he misunderstands about investment. Short term is for trading and speculation, not for investment.

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he can adopt the DCA method. By doing DCA he can then be able to achieve the long term investment that is best suited for Bitcoin.
DCA is a good investment strategy which is recommended by many people. I recommend it too. With DCA, a good personal financial management and capital management are key to apply this strategy confidently with time and maintain it to get profit.

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We should understand that Bitcoin investment is a secondary need, his income or profits should first satisfy his primary needs like food, shelter and miscellaneous expenses before talking about any investments.
A good investor will have reserve money to use or have a good source of income to use for life and don't force themselves to entirely rely on investment profit to survive in life.

When an investor has such dependence, it means bad risk and capital management that should be avoided.
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It's not advisable to invest in Bitcoin on the short term because it's a volatile asset, it's price might dip at the time that he wants to sale. As the pastor is a senior citizen it'll be best for him to invest in a business that he's sure of getting daily, weekly or monthly profits. From his profits he can diversify some of it into buying Bitcoin and as some members have advised he can adopt the DCA method. By doing DCA he can then be able to achieve the long term investment that is best suited for Bitcoin. We should understand that Bitcoin investment is a secondary need, his income or profits should first satisfy his primary needs like food, shelter and miscellaneous expenses before talking about any investments.
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It's not always about diversification sometimes. Yes, doing the right diversification can lead to financial stability and wealth. On a deeper note if you have a proper investment in one asset it will yield a huge return if the money invested in it is much. Now this is how these things work. When you invest in Bitcoin what determines the level of profit we can have is the number of accumulations and how much we have invested in Bitcoin. So the higher the number of Bitcoin the higher the returns when the price gets high.

Diversification has its pros and cons, it is not as perfect as we think. Putting our eggs in multiple baskets can help us minimize risk because anything can happen, but it also limits our investments from achieving the maximum possible return. For example, if we diversify our portfolio into 50% gold and 50% bitcoin, then obviously gold will give us safety but the return cannot be better than bitcoin. Meanwhile, if we invest only in bitcoin, we will face greater risks but can definitely get maximum profits.

After all, it all depends on each person's choice. Putting all your eggs in one basket isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to a potential asset like bitcoin.
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As much as I love Bitcoin for the amazing investment it is, I would still advise against putting all your eggs into one basket - In other words do not put all your wealth into one investment. Especially if you are trying to save up/grow your money for retirement.

I completely agree with that. Many people make the mistake of putting together capital that they want to use in investments to grow it over time but they put it all in a single thing. This way, if the investment asset doesn't perform up to the expectations, all the time that the person has waited to get profits will be wasted and they won't get what they were expecting all this time.

This is why it's important for someone willing to invest their savings or pension funds or any other amount that they have available to make sure they are diversifying their investments and aren't putting all their eggs in one basket so that if one of the investments they have made doesn't perform very well, the others should cover up for it.

So I also believe that someone shouldn't invest everything they have only in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies but they should also go for some traditional assets such as gold or real estate.
Diversification is the key most especially if your goal is to build retirement funds in the future. No certain investment guarantees all time profits, even with bitcoin, so it's always advised to invest in bitcoin for long term for higher chances of profitability and only invest using an amount that one will afford to lose.

Now, if investing means you want to put food on the table on a daily basis, bitcoin is not the right investment for you. Go for another investment that will give you daily or weekly profits, and not with bitcoin where its due time to profit at a maximum level may only comes once or twice a year depending on how your investment goes due to unpredictable market conditions.
It's not always about diversification sometimes. Yes, doing the right diversification can lead to financial stability and wealth. On a deeper note if you have a proper investment in one asset it will yield a huge return if the money invested in it is much. Now this is how these things work. When you invest in Bitcoin what determines the level of profit we can have is the number of accumulations and how much we have invested in Bitcoin. So the higher the number of Bitcoin the higher the returns when the price gets high.
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Bitcoin is considered an investment that brings returns faster than many other investments, and if bitcoin can't do that then I believe no investment will. He should not look for quick investments because they are very risky. If he wants to generate daily, weekly income to sustain his daily needs, what he should think about might be a suitable small business rather than looking for an investment.

Also, as OP said he has sons and I think OP should discuss investing in bitcoin with his son rather than with him. Young people will be more receptive and better able to take risks than him.
Wrong, shitcoins is.

As you can see there are many shitcoins that the price double in just a day, this is a quick making money. Don't argue with me if shitcoins can make your money down 50% or more, that's the risk of gambling in shitcoins.

Small business has no guarantee to be successful, actually most business are failed.


I'm not forgetting the altcoin market but I just want to compare bitcoin with other traditional investments. I don't want to mention altcoins or shitcoins because that's not investing but gambling and should never become investment advice for anyone.

Everything in this world has risks but when you join a paid job or run a small shop, it helps you minimize the risk and it becomes more realistic in generating income maintain daily needs.

In any field, success depends on each person's ability and bravery. Additionally, just because you fail in business doesn't mean others will fail too. There are many businesses that have also succeeded and are growing stronger, why don't you mention them? Why do you like to talk about failure to discourage others?
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And he said I should managed the investment for him and I told him that he should used one of his trusted children but I can only be a mentor, guidance and adviser to him and not to manage the investment for him. And I will introduce the DCA method of investment for him since he depends on the monthly stipend of the church. My problem here is, the time he is planning for his retirement investment is too close. It is just few months to his retirement and that is when he is serious about it. What was his plan for all these years in active service?

As it is, we have scheduled another meeting this Sunday again after the Sunday service. And if he is serious I will invest for him but I prefer the long term but as a age man, really he needs an investment that can brings feed to his table daily and that is why he was insisting on the short term investment buy that cannot do him anything base on the volatile nature of Bitcoin.
I think you're getting involved in a situation which is potentially way bigger than you: first the requests of this guy are, in my opinion, nonsense: why would you trust someone managing all your money? And he wants short term gains with bitcoin? That is not how it works unless you are willing to take some very big risk.

Also don't forget that if he's a pastor for sure he knows a lot of people, if you mess up somehow the fault will always be yours, and he could start badmouthing you with all the people he knows. If I were you I would explain some basic stuff, tell him to discuss with his sons and good luck. Don't get more involved than that.
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As much as I love Bitcoin for the amazing investment it is, I would still advise against putting all your eggs into one basket - In other words do not put all your wealth into one investment. Especially if you are trying to save up/grow your money for retirement.

I completely agree with that. Many people make the mistake of putting together capital that they want to use in investments to grow it over time but they put it all in a single thing. This way, if the investment asset doesn't perform up to the expectations, all the time that the person has waited to get profits will be wasted and they won't get what they were expecting all this time.

This is why it's important for someone willing to invest their savings or pension funds or any other amount that they have available to make sure they are diversifying their investments and aren't putting all their eggs in one basket so that if one of the investments they have made doesn't perform very well, the others should cover up for it.

So I also believe that someone shouldn't invest everything they have only in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies but they should also go for some traditional assets such as gold or real estate.
Diversification is the key most especially if your goal is to build retirement funds in the future. No certain investment guarantees all time profits, even with bitcoin, so it's always advised to invest in bitcoin for long term for higher chances of profitability and only invest using an amount that one will afford to lose.

Now, if investing means you want to put food on the table on a daily basis, bitcoin is not the right investment for you. Go for another investment that will give you daily or weekly profits, and not with bitcoin where its due time to profit at a maximum level may only comes once or twice a year depending on how your investment goes due to unpredictable market condition.
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As much as I love Bitcoin for the amazing investment it is, I would still advise against putting all your eggs into one basket - In other words do not put all your wealth into one investment. Especially if you are trying to save up/grow your money for retirement.

I completely agree with that. Many people make the mistake of putting together capital that they want to use in investments to grow it over time but they put it all in a single thing. This way, if the investment asset doesn't perform up to the expectations, all the time that the person has waited to get profits will be wasted and they won't get what they were expecting all this time.

This is why it's important for someone willing to invest their savings or pension funds or any other amount that they have available to make sure they are diversifying their investments and aren't putting all their eggs in one basket so that if one of the investments they have made doesn't perform very well, the others should cover up for it.

So I also believe that someone shouldn't invest everything they have only in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies but they should also go for some traditional assets such as gold or real estate.
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He can always invest if he really wanted to but tell him honestly that he can't easily make short term profits out from bitcoin knowing it's good for long term investment. And with so much volatility in bitcoin, I don't think he'll be able to sell anytime he wants, otherwise he'll be at loss often times. It's better if he will invest into other investments that can provide quick profits in order to put food on the table regularly, and it's certainly not bitcoin.

It's a thing of Choice but I don't think a lot of people will truly want to venture into something like this, It is not As if It is bad investing with your retirement money, but we all know the kind of families we are coming from. How do you even convince your dad to invest with his retirement money before you actually convince him you have to do a lot of paperwork because we know the kind of parent we all have, and as for me I will suggest they should go for something physical then at the end of the day they can't consider investing gradually into bitcoin since it is more of a long time investment for them to retire they will need a business that would bring them profits gradually for them to be able to sustain yourself if I don't think they will agree to investing into bitcoin just like that so the only advice I can give to them to start something physical then at the end of the day consider  bitcoin as a second option of investment, going directly into investing I don't buy the idea.
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A Senior Pastor (The Most Reverend in the Province) in my Church called me last week Sunday to see him after the Sunday service which I did. When I met him, he told me that he wanted to see me for a very long time. People have told him that I am good with bitcoin investment andalso teaching people in it. Thathe has three children and all have graduated from University but because of the way things are in the country, they have not secured jobs. And any moment from now he will retired. So he wants to invest online business if I know any. And I told him that I know of only one which is investing in bitcoin.

There's no big deal here. Just like you presumed people might have told him you are good with bitcoin investment (thou I don't know what you actually mean here) and also teach people about bitcoin, accept it that it is what you do and he can also be part of the class if he's interested. Forget about the religious tittle he's holding, kindly desclaim helping people with investment and encourage him to be part of your students if he cares and he will eventually invest on his own without looking for someone to manage it for him.

People should not be desperate to invest in bitcoins for their survival, they might get disappointed. Moreover, investing in bitcoin is not suppose to be retiree dump ground who depend on pension and gratuity to feed. It's for people that earn regularly so they won't be tempted to temper with the money invested and thereby shorten their investment or probably lose due to immature exit.
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And he said I should managed the investment for him and I told him that he should used one of his trusted children but I can only be a mentor, guidance and adviser to him and not to manage the investment for him. And I will introduce the DCA method of investment for him since he depends on the monthly stipend of the church. My problem here is, the time he is planning for his retirement investment is too close. It is just few months to his retirement and that is when he is serious about it. What was his plan for all these years in active service?

Your input can help this man through me.

In my point here I guess it's not ideal at all you will manage the asset of other people because in the first place the market is volatile so what's your reason if you lose most of his money possible they will accept the reason but not all the time this happens for your safety too as possible let them make the move to invest and handle, you can give an opinion but you can let them decide where to invest we got too much knowledge and they trusted us but of course not as always the market is on with us sometimes it's your friend and sometimes it's not.

Even though it's never been told late to make an investment but make sure there's an agreement between you and not just a verbal thing money still valuables to the people and they afraid to lose it at all.
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Fair game you played here and honest advice too 💯!!

My only problem at the moment is the pastor is an aged man, and with crypto we know how people have lost or forgotten their private keys thereby losing their investments...so like you said a trustee needs to be engaged here like a trusted child to avoid losing coins easily. Btw, even though he hasn't said it but from how I see things here... his looking for some kind of get rich quick solution and you better let him know that's not how these investments work and neither are they one way as they could either go boom or burst. Ask him who this investment is suppose to benefit, is it him or the kid's because best ROI will come from long term investments!!!

Off topic, by the looks of things is this how the clergy are made to fend for themselves... thought they are well taken care of even after retirement  Roll Eyes

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He can always invest if he really wanted to but tell him honestly that he can't easily make short term profits out from bitcoin knowing it's good for long term investment. And with so much volatility in bitcoin, I don't think he'll be able to sell anytime he wants, otherwise he'll be at loss often times. It's better if he will invest into other investments that can provide quick profits in order to put food on the table regularly, and it's certainly not bitcoin.
Well, based on OP's story, I don't recommend that either. In fact, going short is not easy. there are still many people who fail out there. The question is, is the pastor willing to take the risk of losing the assets he entrusted. Sometimes, it is very easy for people to say that management shares when they are making a profit. However, sometimes they are not ready for the risks, especially when they actually use their savings after retirement.
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I totally agree that we need to be careful when giving advice about investing in bitcoin or other things. We need to make sure person knows about risks and can handle losing money and don't have emotions which can destroy his life. We also need to think about their financial situation and goals before giving advice. Helping others is great but we also need to protect ourselves. If investment doesn't work out we don't want to get blamed. When giving advice we need to be clear honest and set realistic expectations. This way everyone knows what they are getting into. And if there is Bitcoin like OP want to advice so OP should tell about the risks and about its volatility. And teach some fundamentals to him. If he has knowledge about that so he will be careful about it and he has no right to blame OP.
Honestly, giving investment advice to others is a huge responsibility, we can help change their lives but we can also ruin their lives if unexpected incidents occur. That's why I don't like giving investment advice to anyone. In addition, we are just regular investors, we are not advisers or experts so it is not our job to give advice.

Even if we knew their circumstances and deemed them suitable to invest in bitcoin, but what guarantee is there that they would follow our instructions? For example, OP, what will guarantee that the other pastor will hold bitcoin for the long term as OP instructs? In front of him he may agree with what the OP instructs, but behind his back he secretly does the opposite of what the OP instructs. And if he accidentally loses money, is it guaranteed that he will take responsibility himself or will he find a way to blame OP?

There are a lot of consequences that the OP needs to think about and like I said, especially public figures like that pastor. If something happened, do you think people would believe you or him? OP?
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If he is looking for an investment where he can feed from then he should open a retail trade and employe someone that can be doing the sales, while he will stand as the manager, even if he must invest some his retirement fund into Bitcoin, I suggest you advice him to start a retail trade that can be earning him profit consecutively. That's only when he can be able to hold his Bitcoin for a long time. Like you already said, if he only rely on the Bitcoin, you might end up to sell the Bitcoin during price dip.
It will be risky for a retiree to invest all his retirement benefits in Bitcoin. He can take this step if he has another reliable source of income after retirement. But if he doesn't, I suggest he divide these funds into long-term and short-term investments. He should consider taking a part-time job or establishing a business that will generate daily or monthly income to enable him to take care of his daily needs. Investing in Bitcoin should be a long-term plan where he would be willing to hodl for a minimum of four years. He should also make provisions for emergency funds, to cushion the effect of emergencies.    

Yea, that why I had to suggest for him to go into a retail trade, at least he and his wife can manage the business. If he is not really too old, then he can actually look for another job in a private company just like you suggested. But as a retiree, I believe he is supposed to be entitled to receive  pension on a monthly basis. If he receives pension every month, it's possible that he can invest all his retirement funds into Bitcoin while relying on his pension.
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Wrong, shitcoins is.

As you can see there are many shitcoins that the price double in just a day, this is a quick making money. Don't argue with me if shitcoins can make your money down 50% or more, that's the risk of gambling in shitcoins.

Small business has no guarantee to be successful, actually most business are failed.


The screenshot on top gainers and losers is a good example on risk of altcoins. I knew it but your screenshot can help newbies in cryptocurrency market, who are easily find love in altcoins, feel danger of these shit coins.

Frankly I don't know any of these coins in both top gainers and top losers list. Does this mean I miss some hidden gems?

I did not actually and I felt happily that I didn't touch any of these coins because they soon will change from top gainers to top losers.
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Bitcoin is considered an investment that brings returns faster than many other investments, and if bitcoin can't do that then I believe no investment will. He should not look for quick investments because they are very risky. If he wants to generate daily, weekly income to sustain his daily needs, what he should think about might be a suitable small business rather than looking for an investment.

Also, as OP said he has sons and I think OP should discuss investing in bitcoin with his son rather than with him. Young people will be more receptive and better able to take risks than him.
Wrong, shitcoins is.

As you can see there are many shitcoins that the price double in just a day, this is a quick making money. Don't argue with me if shitcoins can make your money down 50% or more, that's the risk of gambling in shitcoins.

Small business has no guarantee to be successful, actually most business are failed.

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He can always invest if he really wanted to but tell him honestly that he can't easily make short term profits out from bitcoin knowing it's good for long term investment. And with so much volatility in bitcoin, I don't think he'll be able to sell anytime he wants, otherwise he'll be at loss often times. It's better if he will invest into other investments that can provide quick profits in order to put food on the table regularly, and it's certainly not bitcoin.

Bitcoin is considered an investment that brings returns faster than many other investments, and if bitcoin can't do that then I believe no investment will. He should not look for quick investments because they are very risky. If he wants to generate daily, weekly income to sustain his daily needs, what he should think about might be a suitable small business rather than looking for an investment.

Also, as OP said he has sons and I think OP should discuss investing in bitcoin with his son rather than with him. Young people will be more receptive and better able to take risks than him.
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And I told him the two types of investment. Short term and long term and I suggested long investment for him but he said he likes the short term investment because he can feed from it and I told him that, he can't invest in bitcoin and still feed from it. He can't feed from it because if he does then he will be at the losing side so the best option is the long term investment.

And he said I should managed the investment for him and I told him that he should used one of his trusted children but I can only be a mentor, guidance and adviser to him and not to manage the investment for him. And I will introduce the DCA method of investment for him since he depends on the monthly stipend of the church. My problem here is, the time he is planning for his retirement investment is too close. It is just few months to his retirement and that is when he is serious about it. What was his plan for all these years in active service?

As it is, we have scheduled another meeting this Sunday again after the Sunday service. And if he is serious I will invest for him but I prefer the long term but as a age man, really he needs an investment that can brings feed to his table daily and that is why he was insisting on the short term investment buy that cannot do him anything base on the volatile nature of Bitcoin.

Your input can help this man through me.
If he is not willing to invest for long term, I will advice you to be careful else you will be blamed for the loss. Bitcoin is mostly safer when the investor is willing to hold for at least four years which is between market cycles. If he is too old to invest for long term, it is better you ask him to invest a smaller amount so that he can comfortably give the investment to his children. I will never suggest or encourage anyone to engage in short term investment because it is risky. Stand your ground and explain things to him and don't take because he is a respected clergy and not be too open to him about what he is aiming for, the advantages and disadvatnages. 
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He can always invest if he really wanted to but tell him honestly that he can't easily make short term profits out from bitcoin knowing it's good for long term investment. And with so much volatility in bitcoin, I don't think he'll be able to sell anytime he wants, otherwise he'll be at loss often times. It's better if he will invest into other investments that can provide quick profits in order to put food on the table regularly, and it's certainly not bitcoin.
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