Help my C drive eating space - page 2.

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Quote from: bluefirecorp on July 25, 2014, 06:23:14 AM

Quote from: Baitty on July 25, 2014, 06:20:46 AM

SSD have been around for years now and are probably the more preferred harc drives. but they can be expensive and are not fitted in the majority of machines it depends what machine you are running. A laptop is very very unlikely to have a SDD.

Laptop uses 2.5" form factor. Most SSDs are 2.5". Laptops are very likely to have a SSD.

Really? I didn't know that. I know mine does but didn't think many laptops would have them. (thanks for pointing that out).

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Quote from: Baitty on July 25, 2014, 06:20:46 AM

SSD have been around for years now and are probably the more preferred harc drives. but they can be expensive and are not fitted in the majority of machines it depends what machine you are running. A laptop is very very unlikely to have a SDD.

Laptop uses 2.5" form factor. Most SSDs are 2.5". Laptops are very likely to have a SSD.

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SSD have been around for years now and are probably the more preferred harc drives. but they can be expensive and are not fitted in the majority of machines it depends what machine you are running. A laptop is very very unlikely to have a SDD.

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Save for the better processor, like the i7. Get a budget board that meets your needs, I choose the asus z87-a b/c it was a newer chipset and I didn't need things like the wifi. Budget ram, shoot for 8gb+ of probably ddr3 1866. Would definitely recommend the k series i7 so you can later overclock it a bit if you care for that. Gaming is mostly about the gpu anyways so you would spend the most on the processor and gpu. Wont need anything drastic on the power supply either.

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Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 06:09:01 AM

bluefirecorp, you don't seem to realise that ordinary people aren't going to give a fuck about a few seconds difference, especially with the cost, get it in your skull and read what I'm saying, in fact neither of you and LaudaM are reading what I'm saying so I won't even bother posting responses to you now lol.

This always happens, you get some hype over a new piece of technology that's very expensive at first, people go giddy for it and the intelligent people just wait a year or two for the price to come down and get much better equipment for a cheaper price and better performance, seen it a million times now I think about it.

Almost every build now-a-days uses an SSD. You don't seem to realize that ordinary people don't need more than 200 GB of storage space, and that they DO want their facebook machine to be on as fast as possible.

SSDs aren't new. Solid state media will eventually replace all spinning disks. It's been YEARS now that the SSDs have been out. Honestly, you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously, state some of your qualifications that give you a right to talk about this subject as if you know more than actual professionals.

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Quote from: LYCAN on July 25, 2014, 06:10:18 AM

nah i m asking that you just say spend 1000 dollars it worth .. for gaming pc..

i want suggestion ..and dont mess guys. everyone welcome to give his opinions

thnkx.

Oh yeah, that's the kind of budget you're looking at for a really nice one, you CAN build one for $500 - $600 easily don't get me wrong, but if you want something nice which will last a long time that's the kind of budget you're looking at if you get me.

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nah i m asking that you just say spend 1000 dollars it worth .. for gaming pc..

i want suggestion ..and dont mess guys. everyone welcome to give his opinions

thnkx.

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I built this pc using the 1tb as a main drive originally. I later ordered the ssd and installed windows on it and the difference truly is night and day. Its honestly the best upgrade I have done hands down. I went from a dual core e6750 2.6ghz overclocked to 3.6 to this i7 build and the difference was quite noticeable. Things like converting movies were ridiculously faster but going from the standard mechanical drive to the ssd, now that obviously was way better! I suppose it depends on your needs though. With mining and using a media extender (xbox 360) I reboot on a regular basis and that boot time is drastically reduced! Updates install in no time along with any applications I run and extracting large files (xbox 360 [email protected]) that are in rar files Cruises right through compared to the mechanical drive which averaged about 6 minutes to extract. I really haven't played any games in which I had much if any wait for loading.

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Quote from: LYCAN on July 25, 2014, 06:03:35 AM

Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 04:48:00 AM

You're in a similar position to me, I seriously recommend saving up $1000 for a good one so you don't disappoint yourself, you'll be able to afford it if you build it yourself, it will take awhile don't get me wrong but I think it will be worth it for sure, you can get a cheaper one but you'll find yourself frustrated at having to deal with FPS drops and stuff all over again depending on the game you play.

so waht will be your recommendation ? any specs with prices.

Buy HDD and wait for SSD's to become cheap, the foaming at the mouth fanbois in this thread are being just like anybody else who rants about some new and expensive thing >_<

bluefirecorp, you don't seem to realise that ordinary people aren't going to give a fuck about a few seconds difference, especially with the cost, get it in your skull and read what I'm saying, in fact neither of you and LaudaM are reading what I'm saying so I won't even bother posting responses to you now lol.

This always happens, you get some hype over a new piece of technology that's very expensive at first, people go giddy for it and the intelligent people just wait a year or two for the price to come down and get much better equipment for a cheaper price and better performance, seen it a million times now I think about it.

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Quote from: bluefirecorp on July 25, 2014, 06:03:58 AM

Quote from: Lauda on July 25, 2014, 05:44:40 AM

Also it is more like 190$ for a good 3TB HDD : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2UWTHE/ref=twister_B00DI12GSM
Which is almost in the price range of a 480gb SSD.
If you get the right software and check the work hours of your HDD, you will see that this 9watt difference is a lot.

Oh, you wanna talk about good HDDs, let's take a look at more enterprise/fast drives. For a proper 600 GB SAS drive, you're looking closer to ~$300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148617&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
That's actually a damned good deal for that drive. Last year, they were closer to $400 each.

Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 05:56:48 AM

It will make a difference but not as much as you're suggesting, games developers have a nasty habit of just putting as much junk and shit as they can without taking into account what it will do with peoples computers, don't get me started on the bloatware DRM that they throw in. Why do you think games like Skyrim work really well compared to other games? It's because they took the time to make sure things work for the most part despite the bugs and glitches in the game, unfortunately there are so few modern examples I can give because of the complete lack of optimisation in games now.

Battlefield 4 is a classic example because they threw tons of physics into that game and lots and lots of particles/polygons so that forces the computer to work a lot harder which is why only high end computers can realistically run it at a comfortable pace and it takes so fucking long to load.

Skyrim as your example? Are you drunk? Look up comparisons in loading times. Also, bloatware DRM? Are you fucking serious. 1 MB file = total bloatware.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely no idea. Seriously, now physics are using the disk rather than the CPU / video card?
You probably think you mine BTC with storage too, right?

Which makes this even worse. A 480gb SSD is cheaper than that. People just don't realize this sadly.
I even missed this post. This is hilarious. So tons of physics is the reason why the game loading slowly. Cheesy

Personal:
PC (HDD): around 2.3min boot time (measured)
Laptop (SSD) - using the same programs, identical almost: 25 seconds boot time.
No, it does not make a difference at all. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on July 25, 2014, 05:44:40 AM

Quote from: bluefirecorp on July 25, 2014, 05:38:59 AM

Quote from: Lauda on July 25, 2014, 05:37:45 AM

Your logic is beyond me.
120gb SSD = $54 http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-2-5-Inch-SV300S37A-120G/dp/B00A1ZTZOG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406284465&sr=8-1&keywords=120gb+ssd
3TB HDD = 107$ http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-Desktop/dp/B004RORMF6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406284454&sr=8-3&keywords=3TB
At least when you're comparing products compare ones in the right price range.

240gb SSD is enough for your main drive (way more than what you actually need).

That WD 3 TB drive would be absolute shit to use as a drive. 5400 RPM. It'll take a week to boot your computer with that after everything is loaded.

Also, we didn't even calculate power usage. Less than 1 watt for an SSD vs 10 watts for an hdd. Easily 10x the electricity usage!

Also it is more like 190$ for a good 3TB HDD : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2UWTHE/ref=twister_B00DI12GSM
Which is almost in the price range of a 480gb SSD.
If you get the right software and check the work hours of your HDD, you will see that this 9watt difference is a lot.

Oh, you wanna talk about good HDDs, let's take a look at more enterprise/fast drives. For a proper 600 GB SAS drive, you're looking closer to ~$300.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148617&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

That's actually a damned good deal for that drive. Last year, they were closer to $400 each.

Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 05:56:48 AM

It will make a difference but not as much as you're suggesting, games developers have a nasty habit of just putting as much junk and shit as they can without taking into account what it will do with peoples computers, don't get me started on the bloatware DRM that they throw in. Why do you think games like Skyrim work really well compared to other games? It's because they took the time to make sure things work for the most part despite the bugs and glitches in the game, unfortunately there are so few modern examples I can give because of the complete lack of optimisation in games now.

Battlefield 4 is a classic example because they threw tons of physics into that game and lots and lots of particles/polygons so that forces the computer to work a lot harder which is why only high end computers can realistically run it at a comfortable pace and it takes so fucking long to load.

Skyrim as your example? Are you drunk? Look up comparisons in loading times. Also, bloatware DRM? Are you fucking serious. 1 MB file = total bloatware.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely no idea. Seriously, now physics are using the disk rather than the CPU / video card?

You probably think you mine BTC with storage too, right?

Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 06:00:17 AM

I honestly don't and I don't think the cost/benefits is worth it, like I said, the larger games take longer to load because they're larger, not just because of the hard drives, maybe in a couple of years when SDD hard drives are as cheap as HDD but not now.

Go read this: http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_vs_hdd

I spotted this awhile ago actually but it explains things well, if I make money I might, just MIGHT spend money for a 1TB SSD to see how things go but I'm not holding my breath.

That site kinda proves our point more. The only thing they have going from them is cost / GB which is nullified about after a year anyway (due to differences in power usage).

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Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 04:48:00 AM

You're in a similar position to me, I seriously recommend saving up $1000 for a good one so you don't disappoint yourself, you'll be able to afford it if you build it yourself, it will take awhile don't get me wrong but I think it will be worth it for sure, you can get a cheaper one but you'll find yourself frustrated at having to deal with FPS drops and stuff all over again depending on the game you play.

so waht will be your recommendation ? any specs with prices.

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Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 06:00:17 AM

I honestly don't and I don't think the cost/benefits is worth it, like I said, the larger games take longer to load because they're larger, not just because of the hard drives, maybe in a couple of years when SDD hard drives are as cheap as HDD but not now.

Go read this: http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_vs_hdd

I spotted this awhile ago actually but it explains things well.

Nothing special. The larger games take longer to load because the hdd's are slow.
Try loading the biggest game that you can find on an HDD then SDD then ram disk.
Cheerio. Wink

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I honestly don't and I don't think the cost/benefits is worth it, like I said, the larger games take longer to load because they're larger, not just because of the hard drives, maybe in a couple of years when SDD hard drives are as cheap as HDD but not now.

Go read this: http://www.storagereview.com/ssd_vs_hdd

I spotted this awhile ago actually but it explains things well, if I make money I might, just MIGHT spend money for a 1TB SSD to see how things go but I'm not holding my breath simply because of the price currently.

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Just backup everything and then reinstall your windows operating system I would just suggest backing up only safe and important files.

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Do you have an ssd drive? Anything I run on mine I wait for nothing. Off my storage drive (which is 1tb not 2 I was wrong) takes a bit of time for some things. Definitely wayyy long to load windows and large games.

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It will make a difference but not as much as you're suggesting, games developers have a nasty habit of just putting as much junk and shit as they can without taking into account what it will do with peoples computers, don't get me started on the bloatware DRM that they throw in. Why do you think games like Skyrim work really well compared to other games? It's because they took the time to make sure things work for the most part despite the bugs and glitches in the game, unfortunately there are so few modern examples I can give because of the complete lack of optimisation in games now.

Battlefield 4 is a classic example because they threw tons of physics into that game and lots and lots of particles/polygons so that forces the computer to work a lot harder which is why only high end computers can realistically run it at a comfortable pace and it takes so fucking long to load.

When you compare them to older games however that use much less resources and minecraft as well it's easy to see why these problems exist.

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Quote from: Lethn on July 25, 2014, 05:50:18 AM

When you have 1TB SSD hard drives the same price as 1TB HDD drives then you can convince me but until then you're just full of shit and are trying to attack people into buying your favourite gear, this is as dumb as the AMD and Intel argument.

The reason games load so slowly now on HDD hard drives is because of their ridiculously high polygon and particle count, it's got nothing to do with the drives themselves but of course you know so much more than me and are superior in every way aren't you? Tongue

Sure a 1TB SSD drive could well be worth it in a couple of years time when they get the costs down but yelling at me about how great a 120GB SSD drive is when you'll barely fit 5 games on their on top of your operating system is a fucking joke.

Your not actually suggesting that when games are well over 36gb's now that that the read/write speed of drives (and latencies) have nothing to do with loading? A standard 7200rpm drive at 100mb/sec vs a ssd at 350+mb/sec?

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When you have 1TB SSD hard drives the same price as 1TB HDD drives then you can convince me but until then you're just full of shit and are trying to attack people into buying your favourite gear, this is as dumb as the AMD and Intel argument.

The reason games load so slowly now on HDD hard drives is because of their ridiculously high polygon and particle count, it's got nothing to do with the drives themselves but of course you know so much more than me and are superior in every way aren't you? Tongue

Sure a 1TB SSD drive could well be worth it in a couple of years time when they get the costs down but yelling at me about how great a 120GB SSD drive is when you'll barely fit 5 games on their on top of your operating system is a fucking joke.

The technology just isn't their yet, it's like trying to convince me blu-ray is worth it because you get a slightly bigger resolution but it costs several times more when I can get HD for a perfectly reasonable price and I'm happy with it.

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Quote from: bluefirecorp on July 25, 2014, 05:38:59 AM

Quote from: Lauda on July 25, 2014, 05:37:45 AM

Your logic is beyond me.
120gb SSD = $54 http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-2-5-Inch-SV300S37A-120G/dp/B00A1ZTZOG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406284465&sr=8-1&keywords=120gb+ssd
3TB HDD = 107$ http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-Desktop/dp/B004RORMF6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406284454&sr=8-3&keywords=3TB
At least when you're comparing products compare ones in the right price range.

240gb SSD is enough for your main drive (way more than what you actually need).

That WD 3 TB drive would be absolute shit to use as a drive. 5400 RPM. It'll take a week to boot your computer with that after everything is loaded.

Also, we didn't even calculate power usage. Less than 1 watt for an SSD vs 10 watts for an hdd. Easily 10x the electricity usage!

Also it is more like 190$ for a good 3TB HDD : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2UWTHE/ref=twister_B00DI12GSM
Which is almost in the price range of a 480gb SSD.
If you get the right software and check the work hours of your HDD, you will see that this 9watt difference is a lot.

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