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Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 19, 2015, 10:09:43 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinexp on March 19, 2015, 09:01:59 AM

Seriously? 1 satoshi as miners fee? Tongue

What's so hard about sending 10000 satoshis inclusive with the transaction?

Because I just want to save the money (10000 satoshi in a 0.01 BTC transaction is a quite high percentage) in the fees and I had previously done this with no problem (it confirms within a day). But why this time I can't Sad

All confirmation process are (maybe) random. So a success before don't mean a success now. Pay the normal fee next time if you don't want it to stuck too long.

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Quote from: Bitcoinexp on March 19, 2015, 09:01:59 AM

Seriously? 1 satoshi as miners fee? Tongue

What's so hard about sending 10000 satoshis inclusive with the transaction?

Because I just want to save the money (10000 satoshi in a 0.01 BTC transaction is a quite high percentage) in the fees and I had previously done this with no problem (it confirms within a day). But why this time I can't Sad

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Seriously? 1 satoshi as miners fee? Tongue

What's so hard about sending 10000 satoshis inclusive with the transaction?

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Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 18, 2015, 09:35:31 PM

In fact I tried to wait it to become removed, but the tx is being re-broadcasted by other nodes to blockchain.info so I can't spend it Sad

Read and try to do this:

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 18, 2015, 10:17:56 AM

Quote from: innocent93 on March 18, 2015, 10:09:01 AM

10 days and still unconfirmed? Since the transaction is irreversible and your transaction might be dropped if it can't be confirmed after a long period.Now you'd better write down the raw transaction of that transaction and re-broadcast it after it have been dropped on blockchain.info.

Re-broadcast: https://blockchain.info/pushtx

Anyway, provide your txid here, it helps a lot.

If you are doing this, use http://www.bitundo.com/. It will give you a GUI which will help you doing the process easily and after signing, you can push it within your wallet because most services reject double spend transaction or post here, someone will help you.

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In fact I tried to wait it to become removed, but the tx is being re-broadcasted by other nodes to blockchain.info so I can't spend it Sad

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Quote from: neurotypical on March 18, 2015, 02:21:13 PM

What I don't get is: Why do wallets give you the ability to spend 1 satoshi as a fee or even 0 as a fee? If the transaction is going to get stuck, why not stablish a minimum fee that guarantes this not to happen? coz noobs will always tend to look for free shit, and will always pay no fees and think everything is fine, then shit like OP happens...

Fee-less shipping. Nobody want to impose fee. Almost all wallets' default fee is 0.0001/1000 bytes. Don't change it and don't change the mod, like shorena told.

P.S. I think there is a minimum fee but it isn't must:

Quote from: sho_road_warrior on March 18, 2015, 01:27:50 PM

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/l5eKDE3.png[/img]

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/df5c246ba38c5b5bdd6192b0201d2fe8245451ca/src/primitives/transaction.h#L140

Thanks, shorena!

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Quote from: neurotypical on March 18, 2015, 02:21:13 PM

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What I don't get is: Why do wallets give you the ability to spend 1 satoshi as a fee or even 0 as a fee? If the transaction is going to get stuck, why not stablish a minimum fee that guarantes this not to happen? coz noobs will always tend to look for free shit, and will always pay no fees and think everything is fine, then shit like OP happens...

Most wallets actually do this. Just dont enable the "advanced" settings unless you know what you are doing.

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Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 18, 2015, 05:43:21 AM

Quote from: Agestorzrxx on March 18, 2015, 01:34:48 AM

Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

1 satoshi fee?
As far as I know, the mini fee is 1000 satoshi.
1 satoshi fee?=no fee at current.

There isn't actually a thing called "minimum fee" but there are "recommended fee". The least amount you could ever use is 0BTC. FYI: 546 satoshis is dust limit and a transaction shouldn't include less that that and using a fee less than 546 satoshi isn't a good idea than using 0 satoshis. I maybe wrong though.

AFAIK, a transaction must have all outputs above 5460 Satoshi to be considered as a non dust and have nodes relay it. If it's below that, nodes would simply not relay it. There are nodes which relays it but for nodes using Bitcoin Core, they don't. It is generally a bad idea to use 0 fees for anything below 0.1BTC since the priority would be so low that it would take a long time to confirm.

What I don't get is: Why do wallets give you the ability to spend 1 satoshi as a fee or even 0 as a fee? If the transaction is going to get stuck, why not stablish a minimum fee that guarantes this not to happen? coz noobs will always tend to look for free shit, and will always pay no fees and think everything is fine, then shit like OP happens...

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Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

blockchain.info will broadcast your transaction as long as it is not confirmed. if you want to change the fee the easiest way is to wait for about 48 hours till the funds are returned to your wallet, then before bc.i sends it again you can double spend it with fee.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 18, 2015, 11:58:34 AM

Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

AFAIK, a transaction must have all outputs above 5460 Satoshi to be considered as a non dust and have nodes relay it.

Wasn't it changed to 546 satoshis after the commit? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/6a4c196dd64da2fd33dc7ae77a8cdd3e4cf0eff1

Yes, dust is currently 546 satoshi[1].

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 18, 2015, 11:58:34 AM

Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

It is generally a bad idea to use 0 fees for anything below 0.1BTC since the priority would be so low that it would take a long time to confirm.

AFAIK isn't it 0.01BTC which is considered higher priority with zero fee?

The amount alone is not the point. The rule of thumb (aka bitcoin day) is one bitcoin confirmed for 1 day (144 confirmations), thus 0.1 bitcoin would need 10 days and 0.01 100 days or ~ 14400 confirmations to have a high enough priority to be send without fees. Another thing to keep in mind is that no matter how high your priority is, there is only 50KByte in each block reserved for transactions without fee. So there is no 100% safe way to send a transaction without fee. Currently however most transactions pay a fee. I suspect this is due to the changes in bitcoin core (0.10.0) that allow a better estimation of the fee.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/df5c246ba38c5b5bdd6192b0201d2fe8245451ca/src/primitives/transaction.h#L140

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Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

AFAIK, a transaction must have all outputs above 5460 Satoshi to be considered as a non dust and have nodes relay it.

Wasn't it changed to 546 satoshis after the commit? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/6a4c196dd64da2fd33dc7ae77a8cdd3e4cf0eff1

Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

If it's below that, nodes would simply not relay it. There are nodes which relays it but for nodes using Bitcoin Core, they don't.

"for nodes using Bitcoin Core, they don't" except ones which uses custom script, right?

Quote from: kepo07 on March 18, 2015, 10:59:25 AM

It is generally a bad idea to use 0 fees for anything below 0.1BTC since the priority would be so low that it would take a long time to confirm.

AFAIK isn't it 0.01BTC which is considered higher priority with zero fee?

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Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

A some have said a TX id will help us really see whats going on. I'm guessing fee was too low for transaction to take so long.

If it get's stuck in limbo with this you might need to learn how to double spend with it not moving in 10 days.

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You should proably provide the tx id, so we can see how much you sent?

There are times bitcoins can be found for 3hrs at most, but thats the longest I seen. I never seen 10 days though, so not sure unless its a super micro amount?

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on March 18, 2015, 05:43:21 AM

Quote from: Agestorzrxx on March 18, 2015, 01:34:48 AM

Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

1 satoshi fee?
As far as I know, the mini fee is 1000 satoshi.
1 satoshi fee?=no fee at current.

There isn't actually a thing called "minimum fee" but there are "recommended fee". The least amount you could ever use is 0BTC. FYI: 546 satoshis is dust limit and a transaction shouldn't include less that that and using a fee less than 546 satoshi isn't a good idea than using 0 satoshis. I maybe wrong though.

AFAIK, a transaction must have all outputs above 5460 Satoshi to be considered as a non dust and have nodes relay it. If it's below that, nodes would simply not relay it. There are nodes which relays it but for nodes using Bitcoin Core, they don't. It is generally a bad idea to use 0 fees for anything below 0.1BTC since the priority would be so low that it would take a long time to confirm.

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Quote from: innocent93 on March 18, 2015, 10:09:01 AM

10 days and still unconfirmed? Since the transaction is irreversible and your transaction might be dropped if it can't be confirmed after a long period.Now you'd better write down the raw transaction of that transaction and re-broadcast it after it have been dropped on blockchain.info.

Re-broadcast: https://blockchain.info/pushtx

Anyway, provide your txid here, it helps a lot.

If you are doing this, use http://www.bitundo.com/. It will give you a GUI which will help you doing the process easily and after signing, you can push it within your wallet because most services reject double spend transaction or post here, someone will help you.

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10 days and still unconfirmed? Since the transaction is irreversible and your transaction might be dropped if it can't be confirmed after a long period.Now you'd better write down the raw transaction of that transaction and re-broadcast it after it have been dropped on blockchain.info.

Re-broadcast: https://blockchain.info/pushtx

Anyway, provide your txid here, it helps a lot.

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Quote from: TheUnknownOne on March 18, 2015, 07:35:27 AM

Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

If there is no confirmation FOR 10 DAYS they should've already cancelled it.. one with 0 trans feee, they cancelled the transsaction after 5 days Cheesy

Its not possible to "cancel" a transaction. Bc.i could stop broadcasting it, but maybe the recipient has an interest in the transaction verifying. The recipient or anyone else could rebroadcast the transaction constantly in order to ensure that the network does not forget about it. This does not ensure that miners put it in a block to confirm it though.

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Quote from: CoinKeeper on March 17, 2015, 11:57:25 PM

I had made a tx with blockchain.info wallet and it don't confirm in 10 days (it is not double spend, paying 1 satoshi fee) and I can't use the coins now. What can I do?

If there is no confirmation FOR 10 DAYS they should've already cancelled it.. one with 0 trans feee, they cancelled the transsaction after 5 days Cheesy

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Are you too greedy with you fee? Tadam...that's what got you stuck. This transaction will probably never get confirmed but should get back to your wallet in couple days.

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lol 1 satoshi fee. Post the transaction ID here but all you can do is wait and it will either confirm or get sent back to you. It might be worth noting to check the transaction on an alternative block explorer as well because sometimes bc.info can be unreliable or out of synch. You might find it has actually confirmed if you look elsewhere.

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