Topic: [HELP ON REFUND] WRONGLY SENT $1000 worth of BTC to copper member payment addres - page 2. (Read 1408 times)

It's not public information because it probably doesn't happen that often. Besides, theymos isn't looking to rob its users of a few hundred or thousand $ worth of Bitcoin when Bitcointalk has millions of $ in its reserves. And yeah, theymos is responsive via PM for forum-related questions or bugs. I assume all the other admins/mods would be as well.

First of all, double spending does not cancel the previous transaction andhthe fund does not return to the original address. If the wallet software allows double spending, the user (let's say, Greg), who mistakenly sent funds to the wrong address, creates a new transaction, with the exact same inputs from the first erroneous one, but this time to a different address (this could be a new address or an old address they had).
What a double spend does is just to out bid the previous transaction and get picked by a miner first. The previous transaction could still get confirmed first, so trying to double spend is not 100% effective.

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate your thought in this case. And thanks for the refund that sent by mistake.

Electrum only allows replacing the transaction by the fee. This means you can't double spend or cancel the transaction. But for that, you should have enabled Replace-By-Fee & edit fee option before making a transaction. The increasing fee will replace the transaction with the same address. You can't change the address from Electrum anyway (I am not sure if it's possible any new version). For double-spending, you may need to input your private key in some other tool or wallet. Then you can replace the address with a new transaction with a new address if the previous transaction hasn't been confirmed.

Maybe this question is a bit off topic, but I think we can learn a lot from this case in the future if it happens to someone else.

IMO, theymos or OP made a transaction that could actually be said to be a legitimate transaction even though the recipient's address was wrong. The OP sent $1000 to the wrong address at a cost of 3.2 sat/byte which took a little while to get at least 1 confirmation (I didn't try to find out about theymos transaction). If the OP sends fund via electrum or another wallet that he has complete control over, can the double spend feature work to cancel the transaction so that the fund can return to the OP if the transaction has not been confirmed?

Third option: EZ0010 didn't buy Copper Membership, but only paid to have his proxyban lifted. Then he made a mistake and overpaid.

Being honest when nobody is watching you is what makes someone truely honest. Well done EZ0010!

It happens to the best of us

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We never knows that or atleast its not discussed publicly on forum anywhere but with the help of this thread we found that theymos is actually helping the forum members via PM as well as via threads like this.

BTW merry Christmas to Everyone!

You can't take just that one sentence out of context. You have to consider the entire paragraph.
 
- No refunds will be given if you break the rules and get banned.
- No refunds will be given if the benefits of the copper membership get changed.
- No refunds will be given if the copper membership gets cancelled at one point in the future and you can no longer take advantage of its features.

But if you send $1000 worth of BTC by mistake, the coins will surely be returned as the post by theymos proves.

Exemplary behavior. Congratulations on doing the right thing!

We found a golden newbie from the mistake of two persons.

From now on theymos even going be be very cautious while clicking the next time in future more than before.

No, this isn't a drama but theymos and the OP just made a small mistake that really tests someone's integrity in this fairly anonymous space. So you shouldn't take it as a drama I don't agree with.

LOL, if not for being honest and getting to know them, then why would you trust someone from the internet?

That was expected that theymos is going to refund owlgames. But, What a drama happened. Even theymos accidentally send that amount to EZ0010, he refunded that immediately.  Wow! Nice man. I guess You are the most amazing Honest newbie I have seen in this forum. We appreciate your honesty. I know some people and I do buy/sell crypto with them and they have a good reputation. I guess, If I send that amount to someone that I trust (from the internet), I guess they would block me from every social media and I could get scammed by them.

But, Here is a different story. Everyone knows that theymos is the most trusted person in this forum. But, EZ0010's honesty was exceptional. There are only a few % of people who exist on the internet with such honesty.

No, owlgames overpaid, but theymos mistakenly sent his refund to EZ0010.  The "Copper Member" badge can be selected to display, or not display.  IIRC the default is to not display it.

There are two things I want to ask here:
1. Does EZ0010 overpay for copper members?
2. If so, why is the account status not a copper member?

I thinks EZ0010 did not use its main account ^{[copper member]} to return the bitcoin theymos randomly sent to him because theymos said that the final recipient was somewhat anonymous so it is unlikely to get the bitcoin back.

But, luckily EZ0010 got send bitcoin back on record and that made it a bit viral on forum especially in meta based on the amount of merit it received in the last 24 hours. Thanks to his honesty, he has earned 50+ merit, that's probably not worth the $1000 he could spend on a year-end party dinner with his friends. But the important lesson here is that in the dark there must be something of value, even if it doesn't emit light and that is a reflection of the attitude of the EZ0010.

Not everything is dark and negative in this world when we have honest people like you. When I read OP and beginning of theymos post, I didn't expected that this story will have such outcome. And it's even more nice that everything happned just before Christmas .

This feeling comes mostly - I think - from the news that are spread from the media and on the social networks sadly. To add to that, every day it seems that there is a new scam token that's ready to empty unaware users of their money - take a look at the most recent example of the Amazon Token[1]. Experienced users in this area already know what to watch out for and what dangerous are lurking behind these "offerings" but the random Joe on the street that hears about these "offers" just wants to quickly take advantage of the market, because "crypto" is booming and, for them, anything is crypto. Granted, their greed will most likely be their demise, but then they'll say that this "world" is full of scammers and criminals that just want to grab your money, so anyone else should stay out of it!

Take, for example, this recent post from r/CryptoCurrency, a prime example that most people are still unaware of whats actually happening regarding crypto acceptance:

There's even a coach that quit his job when he heard that the team was taken over by a Bitcoin podcaster. If you go to the post over at r/soccer[3] you'll see posts similar to this one[4] - regarding BTC/crypto concept:
Whenever I see a discussion about crypto, I always try my best to explain what it actually is and what it isn't. This is an uneven fight - every scam token that will be launched will put a nail on the "trust" of crypto for the random Joe - but I feel like that if every one of us makes the effort to at least teach 1 person about crypto, then it's already a positive thing. The most common argument, at least from my side, is "Bah but BTC is used by criminals!". But when I show them news such as these[5] their arguments quickly fade in strength ...

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[1]https://blog.avast.com/beware-of-a-new-amazon-token-crypto-scam
[2]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/rmufg7/realized_how_disconnected_normal_people_are_from/
[3]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/soccer/comments/rm4o60/bedford_fc_manager_quits_following_takeover_by/
[4]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/soccer/comments/rm4o60/bedford_fc_manager_quits_following_takeover_by/hpjzh1g/?context=3
[5]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/14/business/natwest-bank-money-laundering-trash-bags/index.html

This story gave me some thoughts.

How all the same falsely demonize BTC users by the media. As if bitcoin is used only by criminals, crooks and just villains. This topic is an example that things are completely different. Btc users are mostly honest and decent people, deserving respect. It is a pity that such cases, which prove the opposite of what the media say, for the most part remain here, within the community, and people simply don't know about such happy endings.

Also, it seems to me that this is one of the indicators of the convenience of bitcoin system for people. All participants in this incident themselves solved the problem between themselves, and, moreover, rather quickly.

Gold words.

Wow, You are the most honest Newbie I have seen here. 

If everyone would be so honest, how easy and stress free the world would be. Sending bitcoin to wrong address means lost of the money but not in case when we have honest people around. 

 

@owlgames&@EZ0010, it seems that you have both already started celebrating the Christmas and New Year holidays, so your addresses have been mixed up a bit, and the admin was no luckier either. As others have said, before you click the send button check everything a few times, because not everyone will be honest as an admin and return what was sent wrong.

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

Got my refund just now! Thanks so much and happy holidays to the good guys here on the forum!

Cheers!

(Feeling sorry for your wrong refund payment as well and wow thanks to EZ0010!

In this situation it turned out we had two dummies: owlgames sent the BTC incorrectly to the forum, and then yesterday I sent his refund to the wrong address. I'd been referring to my previous notes on how to do the refund correctly, and I sent the BTC to the last person who overpaid, since their address was still in my notes and I forgot to change it this time. (Now I've rewritten these notes to remove addresses...)

I thought there was little chance of getting the BTC back, since the last person who overpaid looked fairly anonymous, and in any case they were probably using an exchange address or something. So this morning I refunded owlgames properly in a second transaction, and I expected to just eat the cost. But surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010, returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

The lessons:
 - There are good, honest people in the world.
 - Always double-check your addresses before sending, even when you've done the exact same type of transaction a million times before.


Some wallets/exchanges don't let you send below a certain amount. If you overpay due to that, then your payment will be accepted, but that small amount will not be refunded. You also won't be refunded if you're banned or change your mind about paying. But accidental overpayments are refunded.