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Sorry man. America. Rules is rules.
Just went to sign up, but:
Someone tell me how the US can stop me from playing poker on a site that doesn't accept fiat.
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Someone tell me how the US can stop me from playing poker on a site that doesn't accept fiat.
Thanks, elux. Nice to have you on the site.
To any & all... As long as we're just doing Bitcoin transactions, we're not enforcing real names or asking for identity unless we see multiple accounts, poker collusion, or something we feel is suspicious as far as the location being in the US. In that case, you might not be able to deposit until we can verify your identity. That's our main security priority; we're not trying to make signing up a hassle or make life less anonymous for Bitcoin users.
If/when we add more payment methods, anonymous Bitcoin users might have to provide some additional information if they want to use those methods to withdraw, but will be able to continue using Bitcoin with anonymity.
To any & all... As long as we're just doing Bitcoin transactions, we're not enforcing real names or asking for identity unless we see multiple accounts, poker collusion, or something we feel is suspicious as far as the location being in the US. In that case, you might not be able to deposit until we can verify your identity. That's our main security priority; we're not trying to make signing up a hassle or make life less anonymous for Bitcoin users.
If/when we add more payment methods, anonymous Bitcoin users might have to provide some additional information if they want to use those methods to withdraw, but will be able to continue using Bitcoin with anonymity.
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Screw that, I'm going to promote you a little, hope you don't mind!
Read this post by OP: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/blogs/jstrike/286-how-start-casino-lose-money.html
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For all the press it's gotten, Bitcoin still hasn't really taken off. It spent the first four months being dragged through the mud, falling from $32 to $2 right after I roped my little brother into this and we opened our site. One day it was the darling of the tech media, the next day it was a punchline. Now it's creeping back. I had bought a few thousand dollars in Bitcoin to have on-hand for our opening, but I managed to sell most of them off in time, and by trading everything in and out of USD since then I've kept it so the hit from that wasn't nearly as bad as it could've been. But a lot of people with a lot of Bitcoins lost a fortune, and by September no one was holding it. Much less gambling with it. Only in the last month or so, since it crept back up to the $5-6 range, is business starting to pick up a little. Things were dead quiet from September 'til around Christmas.
Anyway, I thought I'd share the results of my little experiment. Keep in mind this doesn't include the external costs -- I spent 3 years programming it on my own time, then about $7k before opening it, plus $15k in for the initial float, and I've dropped $8,019.33 on servers and other bills since it opened. But I was ready for that. This is, I guess, the world's most expensive hobby after gambling itself. If I was a little crazier I could have bought a house boat and a year's supply of canvas, paint, absinthe and razor blades. But what I spent is peanuts next to an operator who needs to rent software from someone else.
Anyway, I thought I'd share the results of my little experiment. Keep in mind this doesn't include the external costs -- I spent 3 years programming it on my own time, then about $7k before opening it, plus $15k in for the initial float, and I've dropped $8,019.33 on servers and other bills since it opened. But I was ready for that. This is, I guess, the world's most expensive hobby after gambling itself. If I was a little crazier I could have bought a house boat and a year's supply of canvas, paint, absinthe and razor blades. But what I spent is peanuts next to an operator who needs to rent software from someone else.
I damn near signed up directly at Strike Sapphire, even though I have never gambled in my life. *sniff*
So yeah, go here and sign up. https://strikesapphire.com/
We love you and want to give you money!
EDIT: I signed up, as you can tell by my signature.
Are there any peer 2 peer poker platforms?
that would be very novel for us yanks
Are there any peer 2 peer poker platforms?
That aside, you look at payment methods accepted for online gambling, and you'll see Bitcoin's never listed. When that's fixed up, and Americans can trade in and out without worrying about traceability, I think there can be a reasonable discussion about Bitcoin becoming a truly free currency that supersedes the USD. 'Til that point, everything bought and sold will have the mark of the Beast, and that's where we are right now. And we can't have that Beast breathing down our neck. We're free and 21. We're not gonna play Jesus to the federal reserve in the temple of democracy.
mega +1
@Evorhees -- it's a damn fine thing to stay and fight, and it's also a fine thing to leave and declare independence and live without any protection from a state. What galls me is when people think liberty is inherited and automatic, and will be handed to them on a platter. Thanks for your support. Just a radical idea -- if Free New Hampshire put together a deal between themselves, the Mohawk / Kahnawake of Canada, and an aligned tribe in the US, it could be the perfect legal storm to prove the legality of Bitcoin-based gaming in the States. We've approached tribes in the Southwest about online services, but there was little interest. Most of those tribes already have land-based casinos, and this was before Bitcoin really took off.
I'm willing to share 50% of any US revenues with a free state or tribe that's willing to shoulder the legal responsibility, to prove that UIGEA stands in contradiction of our Constitutional rights, and assert their right to operate a casino on Indian land that serves players cross-country. If a community like that was willing to back Bitcoin, it could lead to some incredible outcomes.
I'm willing to share 50% of any US revenues with a free state or tribe that's willing to shoulder the legal responsibility, to prove that UIGEA stands in contradiction of our Constitutional rights, and assert their right to operate a casino on Indian land that serves players cross-country. If a community like that was willing to back Bitcoin, it could lead to some incredible outcomes.
Let me add on a thick layer of hypocrisy as I am pretty sure every American state has a sponsored lottery of some kind.
I want to help but I live in a country where online gambling is illegal... 
ssaCEO - I really like your candid posts. I like that they're not sugar-coated PR corporate crap. I like that you have an opinion, and I think your reasoning is sound. I fully share your sentiment.
As an American, I too am pissed off by Washington's tyranny (thus I've moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project). The sad, dismal truth is that America's public has permitted itself to become ignorant and slavish, increasingly happy to surrender responsibility and power to the government in return for promises of comfort. America is a socialist nanny-state living under delusions of liberty, and feeding off the lingering wealth and hegemonic status generated almost a century prior.
America has become so inverted in virtue that one is now permitted to gamble with other peoples' money, but not with one's own.
So, good luck to you and your business operating outside the tyranny zone. I love your casino and wish I could play there... especially after hearing your impassioned postings. Let's hope Bitcoin helps move the world in the right direction.
As an American, I too am pissed off by Washington's tyranny (thus I've moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project). The sad, dismal truth is that America's public has permitted itself to become ignorant and slavish, increasingly happy to surrender responsibility and power to the government in return for promises of comfort. America is a socialist nanny-state living under delusions of liberty, and feeding off the lingering wealth and hegemonic status generated almost a century prior.
America has become so inverted in virtue that one is now permitted to gamble with other peoples' money, but not with one's own.
So, good luck to you and your business operating outside the tyranny zone. I love your casino and wish I could play there... especially after hearing your impassioned postings. Let's hope Bitcoin helps move the world in the right direction.
+1. Bitcoin and online gambling are a perfect match.
Wouldn't that have been the better solution from the start? I mean by blocking those IPs you no longer need all those personal infos, no?
In retrospect, yeah... but we were talking to investors in the US, and we have mods who live in the US, and it seemed like a good idea to keep it open for play money, so we could demo the software. Maybe I'll open it again eventually, once all this ridiculous stuff dies out... but for now I gotta admit you're right, I should have done this a long time ago.
I mean for US regulations the IP address blocking should be enough, and you don't really need this data from any other customer.
Wouldn't that have been the better solution from the start? I mean by blocking those IPs you no longer need all those personal infos, no?
In retrospect, yeah... but we were talking to investors in the US, and we have mods who live in the US, and it seemed like a good idea to keep it open for play money, so we could demo the software. Maybe I'll open it again eventually, once all this ridiculous stuff dies out... but for now I gotta admit you're right, I should have done this a long time ago.
Okay...
Firstly, I'm American,,and I don't hate America. Actually I love America and I think at its best, it's the greatest country in the world. But I'm sick as hell of all my fellow citizens flooding my site and lying about their origin, and whining about not being able to play, and expecting me to deal with that and soak up the legal fallout for their failure to get it together and legalize online poker. Online everything. Because none of this SHOULD be illegal when you can walk into any donut shop in Bakersfield and gamble on the lottery.
That aside, you look at payment methods accepted for online gambling, and you'll see Bitcoin's never listed. When that's fixed up, and Americans can trade in and out without worrying about traceability, I think there can be a reasonable discussion about Bitcoin becoming a truly free currency that supersedes the USD. 'Til that point, everything bought and sold will have the mark of the Beast, and that's where we are right now. And we can't have that Beast breathing down our neck. We're free and 21. We're not gonna play Jesus to the federal reserve in the temple of democracy.
Firstly, I'm American,,and I don't hate America. Actually I love America and I think at its best, it's the greatest country in the world. But I'm sick as hell of all my fellow citizens flooding my site and lying about their origin, and whining about not being able to play, and expecting me to deal with that and soak up the legal fallout for their failure to get it together and legalize online poker. Online everything. Because none of this SHOULD be illegal when you can walk into any donut shop in Bakersfield and gamble on the lottery.
That aside, you look at payment methods accepted for online gambling, and you'll see Bitcoin's never listed. When that's fixed up, and Americans can trade in and out without worrying about traceability, I think there can be a reasonable discussion about Bitcoin becoming a truly free currency that supersedes the USD. 'Til that point, everything bought and sold will have the mark of the Beast, and that's where we are right now. And we can't have that Beast breathing down our neck. We're free and 21. We're not gonna play Jesus to the federal reserve in the temple of democracy.
Forgot to add: OPs idea is a very good one. If all those online casinos would add Bitcoin as an additional payment method, the Bitcoin economy would broaden by quite a bit.
What's that tell you about the US?
That you hate it, at least what I gather from the posts in this thread.I can see an opinion on the matter, but yeah, there is some personal shit going on with you and this issue.
Again though, you kind of mentioned something about searching and telling someone to change this, I just asked for specifics, and even through your anger, I can look past that and still am curious as to who it is I should be contact and what should I be telling them to add Bitcoin to?
BitcoinPorn, same as in the other thread, no hate involved. He cannot do this without being arrested the next time he enters US territory. I thought he clearly stated this. It is the US government that patronizes its citizens too much. He cannot fix this, this is up to the US citizens.
We've had enough of these ridiculous shenanigans. As of now, all American IPs are blocked.
Wouldn't that have been the better solution from the start? I mean by blocking those IPs you no longer need all those personal infos, no?
What's that tell you about the US?
That you hate it, at least what I gather from the posts in this thread.I can see an opinion on the matter, but yeah, there is some personal shit going on with you and this issue.
Again though, you kind of mentioned something about searching and telling someone to change this, I just asked for specifics, and even through your anger, I can look past that and still am curious as to who it is I should be contact and what should I be telling them to add Bitcoin to?
don't push my buttons now, man. I'm on the warpath.
If there are enough Bitcoin users outside the US to sustain a real business like ours, then they're welcome. But we're NOT going to let ourselves be the conduit to let Americans get around their own laws by using the currency. I can't tell ya how much it's ticked me off to see one American after another log in and lie about where they came from. In the whole time we had the site, only one non-American lied about where he was from, and he was from a communist country. What's that tell you about the US?
If there are enough Bitcoin users outside the US to sustain a real business like ours, then they're welcome. But we're NOT going to let ourselves be the conduit to let Americans get around their own laws by using the currency. I can't tell ya how much it's ticked me off to see one American after another log in and lie about where they came from. In the whole time we had the site, only one non-American lied about where he was from, and he was from a communist country. What's that tell you about the US?
Now who are you again and why am I not allowed on your site?
Where is this search where I can tell whoever that they need to add Bitcoin? Please make the original post mas clear.
Where is this search where I can tell whoever that they need to add Bitcoin? Please make the original post mas clear.
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