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sr. member
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You appear to be making assumptions about the tax jurisdiction the person is subject to.  Perhaps it is a jurisdiction without capital gains tax.

If there was a jurisdictional assumption, it was not made by me, but implicit in the post I was responding to. I was just pointing out that capital gains tax considerations wouldn't influence the strategy as described.

sr. member
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If ANY drug cartels were using bitcoin on a semi-serious basis, price would be MUCH higher than $120  Cool
full member
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tl:dr If he sold at a profit, he owed tax regardless of his strategy.



You appear to be making assumptions about the tax jurisdiction the person is subject to.  Perhaps it is a jurisdiction without capital gains tax.
full member
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I think all of you guys are speculating about what caused this big sell-off thus it was simple cashing out by Colombian drug cartels Smiley
legendary
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legendary
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Bitcoin
With millions of dollars pledged from venture capitalists and they themselves buying up chunks of Bitcoin, there is quite a solid footing already.

Indeed..  quite exiting to see almost 5M$ sell order doing less than 10% variation in the market price !  

I'm wondering what a 5M$ sell order would have done to the price 6 month from now !

Bitcoin is in a bigger game now, and it's only the begining.. still a quite new technology !

Let's bet.. look at my signature,,
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you have to do a lot more than 2.5 million to move the price by 20+ dollars

If you time it right, you can start a rally to get the price up $20+ easy.
full member
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welcome to riches
you have to do a lot more than 2.5 million to move the price by 20+ dollars
sr. member
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if my memory serves me - there was a big selloff around or on the 1st of May also. coincidence?

Miners need to pay bills and eat sometime.


They can do that with bitcoins. Oh, wait!


Actually, your reply is really funny, because although you intend sarcasm:

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I know BillPayforCoins and Foodler are only a first step, but long gone are the days when we can easily pass off statements like "Bitcoins are nice but you can't actually do anything with them." That sentiment is becoming increasingly less valid. Grin
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Oh, about the "hitting $1000" thing...

Smart-butt... If you get 1BTC now, at $120, you could wait until it hits $1000... but 6-months is a long time to wait for an $880 gain.

LOL i disagree. 6 month wait time to get a 400%+ gain is worth it to not trade.

sleep is priceless Smiley

+1
legendary
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Oh, about the "hitting $1000" thing...

Smart-butt... If you get 1BTC now, at $120, you could wait until it hits $1000... but 6-months is a long time to wait for an $880 gain.

LOL i disagree. 6 month wait time to get a 400%+ gain is worth it to not trade.

sleep is priceless Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2492
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Oh, about the "hitting $1000" thing...

Smart-butt... If you get 1BTC now, at $120, you could wait until it hits $1000... but 6-months is a long time to wait for an $880 gain.

LOL i disagree. 6 month wait time to get a 400%+ gain is worth it to not trade.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
So bull time  Grin
hero member
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I like the "stand-off" now... lol...

Buyers moving the "Bid" to just under 119/btc...
Sellers moving the "Ask" to just over 119/btc...

Obviously, the one cashing-out has a limit/wish of getting at-least $119/btc...

Makes more popcorn, extra salt, extra butter...

Doesn't look so vicious on the 6-month chart. (That is when I start to freak.)

I knew something like this was going to happen... The "volume" of trades is sadly, the same as what it was, when bitcoins were only $13/btc... (That solidifies that the next price-point will be $1000... When we go full-tilt ASIC mining.)

$1-$10 = CPU mining
$10-$100 = GPU mining
$100-$1000 = ASIC mining
$1000-$10000 = NEURAL mining
$10000-$100000 = SOUL mining
$100000-$1000000 = GALAXY mining

lol BFL has started Galaxy class miner pre-orders. If you pre-order now they will have it delivered in the week of...
legendary
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meangreen, I think you are misunderstanding the others here.

The point is that if you have $120 and you plan to spend them ALL on bitcoins, at whatever price, then it makes a big difference at what price point you get it.

If bitcoins are $100, then you buy 1.2 bitcoins (for $120).
If bitcoins are $120, then you only get 1 bitcoin (for $120).

When bitcoins are $1000, the extra 0.2 bitcoins from buying at lower price is a big chunk of money.

sr. member
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if my memory serves me - there was a big selloff around or on the 1st of May also. coincidence?

Miners need to pay bills and eat sometime.


They can do that with bitcoins. Oh, wait!
hero member
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Web Developer
if my memory serves me - there was a big selloff around or on the 1st of May also. coincidence?

Miners need to pay bills and eat sometime.
hero member
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if my memory serves me - there was a big selloff around or on the 1st of May also. coincidence?
LOL, for the longest time, (two years ago), I kept calling Bit-Coins... "Bit-Cons".... (Thinking of "convicts" and "conventions".) Saying to everyone... it's a scam, it isn't going anywhere, without actually understanding what it was.

Yes, 1st and 15th of every month. (bi-weekly{month} "payouts")...
Also, Wednesday seems to have a lot of "payouts", weekly earnings selling BTC to make payments...

Friday and Saturdays seems to be more "buying" BTC than selling (sales/market users)...

Saturdays and Sundays seems to be a lot more "trades", since the "normal markets are closed on the weekends". (For traders.)
legendary
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if my memory serves me - there was a big selloff around or on the 1st of May also. coincidence?
hero member
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I leave you guys alone for 8 hours... and this is what happens!

lol

BTC micro-limbo... Dropping the bar to $115, and not stopping until it hits $110.

Oh, about the "hitting $1000" thing...

Smart-butt... If you get 1BTC now, at $120, you could wait until it hits $1000... but 6-months is a long time to wait for an $880 gain.

You invest in the micro-movements... The $10-$20 swings, which there will be more than 3000 of... in that time.

Translation, 3000 movements of * $10 = $30,000 gain. (If you do it correctly.)

I like to buy progressively, and earn while I buy. You just have to set buy-points, and actually buy them. Ignore the "whole value", and only track the "individual value".

Pretend the price is normally at $300/btc...
It drops $10 from its steady position (month-average)... buy 0.1btc
It drops another $10 again, buy 0.2btc
It drops a big $20 more, buy 0.4btc
It drops a huge $40 more, buy 10.0btc
It rises $20, from the $80 it just fell, you sell 5.0btc (Gain)
It drops another $40 from the -$60 under position, you buy 20btc
Pretend this is the "ultimate bottom"... The trough of the next hill...
Hold these until it returns to half of its normal value, which it should do rather fast... then sell half your holdings from the lowest point (10btc)
Hold the remainder until it gets to 75% of its normal value, selling the remainder of the lowest buy (The last of the 10btc purchased at -$100 under normal.)

Eventually, the "tiny" motions will be able to sell for above $10 from what they were purchased. Those will be many micro-movements. The larger movements, you counter with larger purchases. Each gain gives you more buying power... It grows fast. Even just moving money between markets... One lists them for 100, another for 120... buy them at 100, and move them to the other market for an instant $20 gain. (You don't have to actually move them.. just buy them with cash on that account, and sell the same number of coins that are already in the other account. Thus, no waiting for the transfer.)

If the market is going to crash, it is going to crash... Unless you are not participating at all, which it wouldn't matter then... Then you can easily turn it into a smart gain. Never just "hold-out" waiting for that "magic low"... It is a market with only a tiny hedge, thus, it has no choice but to rise. (A hedge gives it a chance to GAIN from falling, which you should be playing too.)

What is the "market potential"... Well, btc has historically hit $250+, and actually sold for that price, sooo... that is a realistic "high" again, that people were willing to pay. What is a realistic low... Roughly "2/3 to 1/2" of the normalized monthly average. But why "wait" for it to get that low... if it doesn't, that is just longer you go, without btc to make gains on. If you buy progressively, as it lowers... you loose less, and gain more. (Less than if you just dump all your savings into a "one shot low" that might not be an actual low, with hopes of cashing-out at a "one shot high". More than if you wait for a low that never comes, and thus, have never made an investment to gain on.)

As for extracting USD... You can avoid the "limits", with multiple accounts... one on each exchange, and private sales. Your "total extraction" is not limited... only the extractions per each exchange. Use a US exchange for USD, not a foreign exchange... Unless you want Yen or Yuan. BTW, the Yuan is a great deal to buy for USD/BTC right now. The USD value is decreasing to the Yuan, since we owe them all that money for the billions in loans we just got, again...

1 USD = 6.1347 CNY now...
In a year, that will lower to...
1 USD = 5.8694 CNY

EG... $10,000 will get you 61,347 CNY. That will cash-in, within a year, to be... $10,452 Thus, about a $500 gain. Actually about $1,500 because that would normally be $10,000 USD that would have degraded here in the USA, possibly buying you only $9,000 worth of crap in the future... Made in china. (Gain of 5%, as opposed to the expected loss of 10% by keeping USD in hand/bank/savings.)
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