Topic: Hey guys, remember Tenebrix? (Read 2789 times)

learning much more as we move on. I guess maybe the 2 connection(s) im getting in the "Tenebrix Wallet" GUI for windows that I use to CPU mine (gen=1) my TBX rewards and send txns on with a fellow A-Team member from Devcoin (DVC) and co-founder himself IS where we're at. The fix the next day approach markm discusses maybe why Lolcust took down the downloads page (or someone else) for the tenebrix.exe I run (VERSION = 32778 from September 25, 2011 commit in Lolcust/Tenebrix) ...

Anyhoo this coin is ridiculously interesting. If I take the premined "Subsidy" for block 1 = 7769999 "TBX" and the 50 block 0 that cannot be spent, as well as the 25 "post_Subsidy=25 (TBX)" for every block after block #1 then we're getting close to 21 million TBX as of Block 520077 "block(s)" according to my older MultiCoin-qt forked software...

Could infact be at 20771949 TBX from block 0 to block 520076 by my count... There is no max supply cap for TBX in the code I looked at here but maybe there will be some sort of sense as we approach Bitcoin's "21000000" coin limit (supposedly its less than that but thats out of scope here)... If 25 TBX per 5 min block continue to be doled out to everyone CPU mining this TBX unit then Tenebrix would reach 21 million TBX mined (including the premined block 1 "Subsidy") around 31 days from today. I had it at 5/16/2022-5/17/2022 CDT last time I checked the same math over 3 weeks ago.

Okay, correction, I am running "tenebrix.exe" and launch from Windows Powershell as an admin. It appears in the Tenebrix-pack I downloaded there's a START_TENEBRIX.exe which will launch a wallet that stopped loading blocks around 356202. I then went into the "App" folder of this "Tenebrix-pack" folder I got from lolcust's github repos and it launches a wallet that looks the same but it had to redownload all of the blocks and has different addresses in the wallet. This is where "tenebrix.exe" that I launched from Powershell came from, an App folder in the same Tenebrix-pack folder as "START_TENEBRIX.exe"... both wallets look identical but the one that works for me and went beyond block 356202 after resyncing all the blocks again was in the App folder > "tenebrix.exe". I went a step further and put this in my AppData/Roaming/tenebrix directory and relaunched tenebrix.exe with powershell commands from there (I have Windows 10). Funny thing is, as I proceed to the next block (this is taking up 60%-75% of my CPU!) I also get 25.00 TBX generated and sent into my wallet where it proceeds to rack up the necessary 6/6 confirmations and also after 149+ blocks get added to my balance. I only have one connection. Maybe my blocks are not in sync, but this appears to be one of those "waste of power if all this mining is for not" OR more likely some of the features lolcust had hoped for Tenebrix (anonymity, mixing, whatever you call it). IF markm is correct in that the number of connections somewhat correlates to the amount of cpus mining this coin, then perhaps I am the only one mining it and seeing it display on my Windows 10 GUI "Tenebrix Wallet" "[Tenebrix]" which appears to be a mix of Qt4 files, among other things (like alpha or beta GUI components that are included in the pack). Either way, I may be behind in blocks, maybe Windows is living in the past. Maybe GeistGeld is in the distant future, perhaps we're all mining the correct Tenebrix but we're all on different perceived blocks. Or maybe I'm just mirroring someone who forged an earlier path like markm that has his block count quite a bit higher than mine. Sometimes I find blocks later than 5 mins or quicker, but its always the very next block on my block count. Indeed - like coblee when he made litecoin, one reason for me to mine this and run the software is because I want to keep the blockchain alive and it gives me an opportunity to learn a lot about Bitcoin to the point where I don't see it as "only money"... Time is relative. To say all computers are mining blocks on the same protocol or server is ridiculous. All blocks matter. Especially since I am getting the necessary 6/6 confirmations. Maybe I'm doing a fraction of the work that was left for someone in my position. Either way, I hope we can discuss this more.

I would really like to figure out how to get the daemon linked up to where I could view other Tenebrix related data like I do in a QT wallet RPC console (I'm a Windows guy, forgive me - maybe I should create a linux version on a Virtual Machine/Box or something).

I'm running "Tenebrix Wallet" from tenebrix.exe. Same conf as the original in Windows Appdata > Roaming > tenebrix folder...

Have opened through command line as well as clicking it

But the problem is, after I exit the app I have to restart from the beginning loading the blockchain. I looked at my debug log and it flushes a lot of .dat files on shutdown.

Looking for a way to prevent this as it takes a long time to load the 356202 blocks I did. Also markm said the chain was at 356822 blocks for the Tenebrix he is running so I don't know why it stopped short. Or maybe vaguely I do. Either way, I would love to figure out how to access command line on Windows 10 for tbx to get the private keys for my wallets in case I receive coins and I need that privkey at a later date (migration perhaps?)

was it mined purely in the btt and similar crypto community?

not visual but works like a charm (znort's blockexplorer with a small patch for TBX/FBX):
https://github.com/wiggi/blockparser
https://github.com/wiggi/blockparser/commit/57f396533d9c35d87ea0c98a4f85e94cfed0edd3

note: the uncommented line in Makefile must go first, like this
not this

Otherwise it will parse bitcoin. (Is this standard makefile behavior?)

First 2 lines in allBalances.txt:

I believe GRouPcoin fixed the Time Travel exploit so if someone simply clones GRouPcoin to cut and paste newer versions of I0Coin and GeistGeld instead of waiting for the "mergecoin" repo (latest bitcoin with ability to be secondary chain in a merge added, the common code all the merged mined coins need in order to upgrade to latest bitcoin code) the timetravel fix will come along with that as a freebie.

(Both I0Coin and GeistGeld are already considering cloning from GRouPcoin anyway as a temp fix for their memory problems if someone doesn't want to wait to upgrade them directly to be based on latest bitcoin code.)

Similarly if anyone is in a hurry to fix it in Fairbrix and Tenebrix they can always go ahead and cut and paste a current Litecoin to make newer versions of Fairbrix and Tenebrix instead of waiting for a version of Litecoin that is based on latest Bitcoin code.

Thing is, fixing any of them might bring in more miners to divvy up the daily coins among, so there is some tendency to figure "maybe tomorrow, might as well rack up another day of easy mining before attracting more competing miners..."

-MarkM-

premine instamine its all the same

I've heard mentions about the past time travel exploit with bitcoin, but could never find a description of it. I think I can imagine what the attack was, but I'd be happy if you could link me to more information on it.

booted up my old FAIRbix surprised it connected but yeah very unstable (crashes on my win 7)

Did they change the address that was to get the genesis coins?

I wonder because for example all of UKB, CDN, MBC, GMC, GRF, NKL etc deliberately left Satoshi his 50 coins in the genesis block as a deliberate tribute so he would have a little of each coin that was created using his code.

It wasn't until much much later that it became generally known that in fact some bug or other in the code turned out to be preventing him from ever spending them.

I am not sure why bitcoin devs haven't fixed whatever bug that was, or at least added it to their "if we ever do a hard fork" list. (Though they did a hardfork not so long ago, i wonder why it wasn't fixed then. Maybe for bitcoin itself it isn't important because we know Satoshi got plenty of bitcoins, but for all the coins descended from bitcoin it seems rather shabby to continue to propagate that bug so that he isn't getting that small tribute of each and every coin using his code...)

-MarkM-

The block reward at block 1 was 7769999.00000000 TBX, then continues with 25.00000000 TBX for each block after that.

Interestingly block 0 had 50.00000000 TBX as the reward. I assume this was a developer oversight not changed from the original Bitcoin code. Block 0 is unspendable, the same as the Bitcoin blockchain, so I guess it doesn't matter.

The coinbase for the genesis block is:
04ffff001d01044c69224966206120746563686e6f6c6f676963616c206665617420697320706f7 37369626c652c206d616e2077696c6c20646f2069742e20416c6d6f737420617320696620697427 7320776972656420696e746f2074686520636f7265206f66206f7572206265696e6722

convert this hex to ascii translates to:

"If a technological feat is possible, man will do it. Almost as if it's wired into the core of our being"

Sure, and that is reflected in the number of connections you get with them, which likely also correlates somewhat to the number of people mining them. Maybe one core could get a larger fraction of all the Tenebrix that will be left once Lolcust destroys the pre-mine than it could get of all the Fairbrix that more people are pointing CPUs at. Though larger miners, who have two cores not just one, don't have to put all their cores in one basket, they could throw one core at each if they chose to do so.

-MarkM-

Fairbrix > Tenebrix

Yeah he was maybe kind of trying to force mixing on everyone, even though evidently only a minority, maybe even only a very small minority, want such a feature. So not only centralisation but central planning maybe, lets make everyone pay for a feature only some people actually want.

But hey, small miners have to take what they can get, only a few coins are low enough difficulty to let a small miner get a nice fraction of the coins, and usually only those that are not in exchanges or, if in exchanges, are extremely cheap to buy (in which case maybe a small miner might buy some instead of mining some, thus conserving the small mining capability for coins one could maybe get a larger fraction of by mining than one could buy cheap of the ones that are on exchanges but cheap).

-MarkM-

Premines are just a type of centralization, so I don't find it surprising they're not popular. I'm not really sure how they're all that necessary anyway: if the coin is popular on launch, then bounties don't need to be given out by the developer to get infrastructure developed. If the coin isn't popular on launch, then the dev can mine profitably for a while. But I think the more innovative coins don't have trouble with being popular enough on launch.

Good idea. supposedly it was 7 million and reserved for use in a mixer that never got built so it shouldn't really have gone much of anywhere yet.

-MarkM-

Primecoin wasn't premined and that seems to have plenty of traction. Premines generally leave a bad taste in people mouths.

I wanted a block explorer to analyse the blockchain to see where the millions of premines from block 1 have ended up. It shouldn't be too hard to pull the data from the daemon into PostgreSQL or MySQL. I'll have a try myself. Should be a good learning exercise.

Premines can be destroyed, as novacoin showed.

Lolcust was planning to do that last time I checked, which is a pity considering that seemingly nowadays it has been learned that premines are essential in order to finance important infrastructure to make a coin a success...

Basically it could be a chance to test the theory that good can be accomplished using a pre-mine, without actually going out and creating yet another pre-mined coin; a huge pre-mine already exists, lets put that to good use before cluttering up the scene with yet more pre-mines...

But lolcust might well just destroy it, what a waste if it is true that pre-mines are so useful for creating infrastructure...

-MarkM-

I thought we moved off of Tenebrix because of the premine to better currencies like Litecoin a long time ago?

Interesting question, i suppose it mostly depends on whether people create pull requests when they adapt such explorers to more coins so that the main source repo of the explorer thenceforward contains the support for the added coins.

If so then presumably there is an explorer and its one of the normal explorers anyone can grab from github or whatever to run at home or put online for others also to access or whatever they wish.

if not then maybe it is lost code or sitting in the backups of someone who made such a thing but failed to get it pulled into the repo it was derived from...

-MarkM-