Topic: Hey theymos, can i get your attention for a minute. (Read 891 times)

Correct, you applied and theymos saw a void you could fill as a source. I don't know what board you merit or where you distribute them. If no one else is meriting there, then that's the void you fill.
I'm assuming you mean the thread I referenced people to post what they deem worthy of merit. You're right dropping  a post there doesn't automatically mean someone will merit it. A few reasons they may not be merited are the post quality, context and/or timing make it less than "quality" to others. When you run out, you are just in the same position as everyone else, with the exception that you will definitely have more merit provided to you at some point. Everyone else has to earn more to send more. The thread I created provided some work arounds besides posting them in that thread, you can save links to posts that are deserving and circle back to them. You can even create your own thread where you point others to posts you would merit if you could.
Disagreeing about whether a post is worthy of merit isn't making people look stupid. I would say though if you are putting a lot of posts out there and no one else is meriting them you may want to reexamine your criteria, or wait until you earn the smerit or have your allocation topped up. I'm not going to lie the more threads I see like this or posts about constantly being out the more it just seems like begging. They are either an OP or post stating "I'm out" without linking posts what you want to merit, so others can do so directly. Sources should PM theymos once, explain why they feel they need more. You always get a response from theymos in one way or another, most just don't realize it. Silence speaks volumes. That generally goes for an application as well, at this time I assume more sources aren't yet deemed necessary.

Let's start some discussion here, there was a reason why I was made a source. My board of focus might not necessary meet the general criteria of well established sources or reputed members in the meriting business per se. There was a reason that thread stop receiving much patronize as highlighted thread stopped getting attention especially when those thread aren't from the section of the board tagged high quality. Merit worthy post could be categories based on different opinions by different member but the end goal should be such post aren't spam and are actually adding value to the discussion at hand. Having said all that, dropping a link on the thread doesn't automatically mean the submitted post will be merited.

I'm not against patronizing the thread but if you need more and more users to engage the thread than you should encourage them by awarding merit to the posts they submitted instead of making then look stupid by ignoring their posts and meriting just selective posts from specific boards like bitcoin support and technical discussion boards.

I made this topic a couple weeks ago. It provides better options than requesting a higher allocation. If you haven't already received a higher allocation, it's generally safe to assume it wasn't deemed necessary in the grand scheme of things.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51788098

Its been asked by a few members before..... There is a chance we maybe get more, but I think it a matter of time before the source allocations will be expand.

For now I think its important to just distribute what we have in a good way, also the merit you earn on your own post and be dry for most of the time, if that the case then your doing a good job

Looks like someone is earnestly looking for a way to make this important plea a caricature. OP's complaint is in order and shouldn't be overlooked.

Since you took a break over a few month, when you got back in August, you should have found your Merit Source allocation maxed. During August you gave out 36 sMerits (Merit Source + earned). Remember you get the refill for the amount you sent exactly 30 days later in relation to each sMerit TX sent.

Supposing you gave out all your Merit Source sMerits during August, you would have ended the month with 0 Merit Source sMerits on your balance. These should reappear on your balance progressively (not all at once) during this month. For example, you awarded 5 sMerits on the 02/08/2019 and then 4 on the 09/08/2019, so you will receive each of these batches of sMerits during September, 30 days later than each awarded batch – down to the minute and second.

To my knowledge, there is no such thing.

No change here :

I'm pretty sure that the number of smerits you can send per month hasn't changed.

You may not be imagining this. Maybe Theymos has automated the merit allocation to merit sources depending on their activity and how they spend them.
I had been inactive for a period between April to June/July owing to some personal issues. My refilled merit decreased this morning. So i guess its a half-yearly review sort of thing and redistribution happening. Automated or otherwise..

Can anyone else confirm this?

As far as I know, your source gets restored to the full amount when it's increased or lowered. That makes it hard to overlook any changes made by theymos.

I think my source allowance may have increased lately, I seem to have more to give out. Maybe I’m imagining it & I haven’t been as generous so they’re adding up.

Is there a way to see how many I get a month?

Well basing it from the thread some of the merits sources who didn't even ask for an increase got an increase as well. But at the same time the total overall sMerits produce per 30 days got lowered as well which only means that some merit sources might have lowered there allocation and increased to the ones that theymos thinks is deserving to have one. I really don't care about the total overall sMerits produced being lessened as long the reallocated sMerits are being utilize by the ones who got an increase.

Yes

And several other Merit sources got an increase at the same moment.

There are some users who set their goals to get some ranks, member ie. and try to make something good to hit that rank. But then, after reach that rank, they probably come back to spam. Because they are lack of both ideas and dedication to contribute. Just try to make some good posts and wait for luckiness come to them someday.
When they have what they want (rank, and financial benefits for their bounties), they'll lose their motivation, and basically they don't have more ideas to contribute.
I think current smerits for sources per 30 days are enough. The more challenging to get merits from sources and from non-sources, the higher quality of posts the forum will have.

Did a merit source successfully increased their monthly merit allocation by requesting it to theymos ? From what I know there is only a procedure to become a merit source but theymos didn't state any procedure on merit sources increasing their merit allocation because AFAIK the merit you have from the start will be a fixed number. And basinh from what I see theymos next most likely move is to rather increase the number of merit sources and not the the number of smerits being allocated to existing merit sources, really depends on what board is lacking a merit source and not how merit source can go to other board with an increased merit allocation.

 Yeah I can’t give any merits to any foreign language threads as I am only a one language person.
The forum while international does have an English bias. I look around for places to give away merits. I read hundreds of posts every day and I find I don’t see a lot of quality posts.

With all due respect, I don't believe that the forum needs more merit sources / more merit allocation , if you look around meta and Beginners and Help, you can see that there are many stories of members earning a huge portion of merit in a very short period of time, this proves that there is either.

1-Enough merit to serve quality members
2-More merit than the forum needs

but just for the sake of simplicity let's assume the first point is correct, therefore I don't see a good reason for Theymos to give you or any other merit source more merit, because the forum does not have a problem with ranking up , you may prove me wrong by pointing out a good number of good members who are having a hard time earning merit, probably NONE.

Another proof of my statement above is the topic started by loyceV "Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source",  go take a look and you will find out that there really is only a few good posts that go unmerited.

This is getting too long already but I will also add another point which is the fact that Merit points are supposed to be scarce, they are not meant to be easy to get, also you as a merit source doing your part which I personally appreciate and I understand how difficult it could be, you should not feel like you are responsible for every good post that goes unmerited,  other merit sources will do their part too, and unless we get to the point where most of merit sources complain about not having enough merit, then we can say ok! we now need to increase merit allocations.

Having said that, certain sections, specially some Local boards might be of an exception, as the majority of the merit sources with "large bags" of merit might not be able to spot good posts in other languages, or boards they don't have any interest in.

 

May I add something to your idea? IMHO, "Fairly high standards" should be in accordance with ranks. A high ranked member should be more challenged to receive merit. It's not really newbie-biased, though. It's just more difficult for them to produce a quality post than old, high ranked members, who are experienced ones. Besides, merit can be a catalyst to encourage new members to be active and contributive rather than just be here and wear a signature.

I handed some of mine out 12 to be exact. 6 to one and 1/2 a dozen to another.

If there are other good users, that are contributive, and reliable enough to add as new merit sources, I think they should be added. More sources to decentralize total generated sMerits per month for all sources are better than increase total allocated merits for old sources.

I don't offend anyone among merit sources, old or new, but the fact is each source has different active boards, and time zones (this one is not truly important), or sometimes they suddenly fall into inactive due to personal issues. It means increasing total allocated sMerits for old sources don't guarentee that good posts will not be missed. Sources can not spend all or most of their time to scan around posts and threads, in boards that they previously claimed that they want to be sources with their merit source applications.

It is reasonable that new sources after a few months of productivity verification on their works as merit sources, ask for extra smerits per month. If they do their works well, I do think they might get more from theymos (he might consider), but for old sources, I don't think they will succeed (if they ask for extra smerits).

Most of us get through our source amount of merit very easily. I don’t think theymos will deal with individual cases like this as a priority.

We all want more but we have what we have.

I think this depends or varies from the Source. And maybe theymos also makes a review before he respond to a given request or suggestion. Like the way, I did before (Last 2 Month, I guess?) and now I'm not lacking anymore though I just found a way to save it and make a rotation for my sMerits every week.

I haven't looked at OP's merit-giving history, but your suggestion is generally a good one.  Merit sources probably shouldn't be handing out merits willy-nilly and should have fairly high standards.  Then again, Theymos did want sources to give merits to posts that are just "good", especially if they're made by newbies.  That was in a PM he sent last September if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, asking for more sMerits if you're a source is OK in my book.  I had to do it myself a while back, because I was chronically short and didn't even have any earned sMerits left at the end of each month.  It's a good thing that OP is searching for good posts, even if it's just for the purpose of giving merits to them.  He obviously feels a sense of responsibility as a merit source, and that's a good thing.

Perhaps the problem is where you spend your Merits if there are enough members in those sections/boards there is no point in getting more sMerits.
This is not about the amount of effort you are willing to spend in this forum, but the needs of the forum for more sources.
Try to find new boards/topics and bump this topic after several months.

I do my works today and I found that post, which surely gives OP a good reason to keep hoping.

I was wondering to make same request. My monthly smerit allocation is too small and sometimes I can't send merit to good post. Another issue is we are receiving our smerit exactly after a month when we spent it (it doesn't matter since we will receive it by the way) . That's why even I will receive it few days later but missing some good quality post.

However, expecting response from theymos about your request and my request as well.

You don't need to do it, if you don't have a lot of time, check the posts one by one.
(sMerit), is a gift, alms, achievement that will be given to people.
Actually a gift, alms ought not be someone, must go to church / mosque to look for people who need it.
But it can also be found while you are walking and relaxing, you will find people who are entitled to receive alms (sMerit).

I mean:
CryptopreneurBrainboss, is very active in Forums / Meta, But when you make a contribution / post on a forum, maybe you will accidentally find a quality post. That's where you determine your decision or not to give (sMerit) to others.

I think it is not necessary specifically, in the rules of giving (sMerit).

Please Read.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-request-for-the-other-merit-sources-5153158
I'm a bit silly right now so my feedback and opinions will be these. But still with that case of mine I'm awarding Filipino Users. Not all (sometimes I do share my sMerits to foreigns but as long as they're worthy)

No you didn't understand. Although, thanks for the feedback, it was also helpful in some manner. All I'm requesting for is a little bit of increase in my smerit monthly allocation as a source to take me through the month.


Not a bad idea, remember engaging on that thread right from my days of been a Member rank user and i can tell you, the thread isn't that effective as before although if my request isn't granted will put some thought into it.


I'm actually a 1 smerit meriter unless I come across a quality contributor lacking the required merit to rank up then i do the needful (review post history) or when i see a topic that deserve more than just a merit, I don't hold back. Thanks everyone for the input.

It's difficult being a merit source and bypassing good posts without being able to send merits out to them, but it's not much of a problem, you can simply keep an eye on the posts you would wish to merit, and when you get a refill of your Smerits, you can return to merit those posts, it doesn't matter how long it takes, it's actually worth the wait.

And if your Smerits finish rather too quickly as you're actually a very active member and merit source, which would mean you'll come across merit worthy posts very often, you can consider reducing the amount of Smerits you send to a particular post.

I'm not sure that I understand your post. Membership of Bitcoin Talk is a privilege that helps one to build one's knowledge of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies, and to interact with intelligent members with an appreciation of the changes that virtual assets in the changing world economies. The ability to award merits is not really a part of this, although being a merit source is a benefit that allows one to encourage the building of a strong and vibrant community.

I'm sorry if you feel that a shortage of sMerits will lead to a reduction of your reading of threads. Merit gaining and awarding is not a primary reason for BT activity. If you feel that you have a problem with insufficient merit awarding, then perhaps you could increase your standards for the awarding of merits.

Here: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source
If you are out of sendable merits, you can leave links to good posts you see in that thread, I am sure that many merit sources will see, and it makes their works more easily.

I don't know but there are some things we observed, that likely give us theymos' vision on merit allocation per month.
Over months, total merits generated and allocated for merit sources don't change. It only change when theymos added new sources, like the latest round, with nearly 10 new merit sources (8 or 9), includes you. Someone thought that all those new merit sources have 50 merits per month for each.

Without new merit sources added, I don't see total merits allocation changed.
I have no idea that theymos actually restructures merit allocation between merit sources regularly or not.

There is another way, boost up your speed of merit earnings.

What is less will automatically become more valuable. I think the more sendable merits people have, the more probability they will lessen their criteria to give smerits away. It is kind of basic instinct of human.

Good luck.

Well it's been an honor entrusted with the privilege to be a merit source of this prestigious forums. I'll love to continue my work but will love it more, if I can be entrusted with more monthly resources (smerits). It's been 3 month plus relying on my monthly allocation with huge support from my earned smerits to merit deserving posts (to my best understanding). Although, over the past few weeks it has been more challenging as the earned smerits aren't present to compliment my monthly allocations as usual.

I'll love an increase from my next monthly allocation as I have been forced to rely on my personal earned smerit to continue my work effectively. Also the lack of smerits have restricted my visit to some boards (as I usual do) because I can't stand the sight of not rewarding deserving post when I see one.



The usual of me engaging on the altcoin subboard through reading and rewarding of quality threads has been altered and has resulted to me finding other hobbies to keep me occupied. I'll highly appreciated if this request is put into consideration.

Thank you.