Topic: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (Read 52606 times)

Finally got a gender for LoyceV
All credits  goes to Olympic women cycling
Don't tell me it's just a bluff

I like the Olympic women cycling

I never made that a secret, despite my misleading name. Blame the random generator.

That's more than my 1 year source allocation 

One day, I'll invite you to the gambling board. I'm not sure what sports interest you or what kind of discussion you want, but I can easily produce 10-20 value posts in our self-moderated threads weekly if that's okay for you.

Maybe I'm just hoping for someone to show good posts.

My man, you've run out of patience in this forum, haven't you?

So you're posting just to share that you're not going to post anything?

I definitely have some - but damn, I'm not sure which posts I should show you for review.

I recently realized my merit earned history in the last 120 days was very low - about 15 merit in the last 120 days. Of course it's very unpleasant - but I realize that all users have their own way of assessing the quality of posts and are all very subjective about quality.

Because I know how this thread works - I'm not going to ask anyone to review my posts directly to the profile, especially since I'm not sure which posts you deserve.

Of course, merit sources are going to have varying standards and even varying level of time that they are able to spend reviewing posts, and I suppose that I don't really have any problem with the idea of both attempting to draw the attention of merit source members to quality posts or even some interesting things that are happening in other parts of the forums (such as in some of the Locals).  

Of course, these days translation is becoming easier, yet I do find that some of the browsers that I use are more friendly to translation than others, and for me, if I am on some kind of a mobile, it can sometimes be quite difficult to translate - and maybe it is my own lack of looking more into the matter.. so maybe part of the point might be that it is likely a lot easier for merit source members to stick with the threads that they visit regularly rather than exploring other threads - and merit sources do not have any obligation to explore other threads - including getting back to the idea of their own concerns about how productive they are being in their own ways of spending their time on the forum as well as other life obligations (interests).

I did send an smerit to the OP in the above referred to thread with the quiz and the game of earning merits, since I found it to be a kind of interesting approach, but still sometimes I even find it problematic to want to give too many merits in the context of what sometimes could border upon some form of merit begging.. and surely I would prefer to just organically come across various members posting in creative, interactive ways that may well have some links to supporting materials and making some interesting points, even if I might not completely agree or understand all of the points that are being made..

I suppose there can be some burn out in terms of reading so many mediocre posts.. or posts that might be difficult to determine if they are adding much if any value too.. ... Of course, some of the higher ranking members make great posts  - almost every single time, and I don't necessarily want to ONLY send smerits to the higher ranking members, and even sometimes if I have sent smerits to the same member several times in a day, I might also become reluctant to send more smerits to that same member on the same day, even if that member might seem to be continuing in making relatively great posts.

I am not going to claim to know the solution. but surely there still can be hope to place some blame on members to be providing decently good posts in threads that I already follow rather than expecting me to go around learning about new threads.. and yeah, sure maybe we can blame theymos too.. hahahahahaha.. in terms of there might be some needs to increase some of the merit source members.. which there may well be some work involved in regards to both selecting the new merit sources and then maybe some follow up monitoring that might be helpful..

and surely as far as I know, so far in the more than 6 year of the existence of the merit source system, there has not been any appointment of a merit czar, and not to be too atopically critical of LoyceV within his own self-moderated thread, I am not sure if his somewhat seemingly high standards (referring to his stating that he has somewhere in the ballpark of 4k smerits in his bank of smerits. .which seems like too many to have in reserves, yet I cannot even second-judge him too much in terms of why those smerits had built up to such high levels in his bank) in regards to sending smerits would be good for any possible merit czar - even though I am pretty sure that at some point he had volunteered to serve in such a position.. . and again, I am not even claiming to know much of anything in regards to what kinds of concerns might be happening behind the scenes in terms of appointing a merit czar and maybe increasing the number of merit source members (such as doubling and or perhaps having a longer term goal of tripling them), and yeah maybe the newer merit source members might start out with an allocation of maybe 30 source smerits per month and work their way up to 100 or whatever might be some reasonably tailored goals. without the problems of newly appointed merit sources (or the czar himself) turning into some kind of a monster that creates more problems than he solves....

Meanwhile, I have 4000 sMerits waiting for worthy posts.

A large number of users believe that merit is the holy grail, and also that older members do not want to give merit to their posts. Many accusations that the merit system is unfair to new and lower-ranked members.
Then we have a thread like this, where it is openly offered to link quality posts to be rewarded with merit, and then you get a suggestion where you need to translate the whole thread from Indonesian to find a post worth merit. A little effort is not amiss if you require someone else to pay attention to you.

You're linking to a locked topic with a Merit earning quiz. If he has done great work, you should post links to those great posts.

I stumbled across the topic on the Indonesian local board. The OP has done great work on the local board and I feel like it did not receive the merit it deserved. I don't know if you guys think it deserves more but here is the link

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5494874

I can't say you're wrong, but I can't fully say you're right. The distribution of merit on local Indonesian board sometimes goes up and down in different months, of course this is due to the low number of users who distribute their merit to various posts that are considered quality (including by merit source). On the other hand, I don't know the reason why local merit sources have become less active in distributing their merit in the thread you mentioned in the last few months. But you and me can't always force them to help because basically they have their own reasons which are very subjective.

I can understand you correctly because you really hope that more merit sources will help local users get more merit to rank up. In fact, I personally did this in the past (asking for several global merit sources) because of my concern for fellow local users when the number of merit circulating among users was very low. This sometimes works, but it is not the responsibility of the global merit source to continue to keep the number of merit circulating at locally increasing when we have more than 2 local merit sources ourselves.

But first, thank you for bringing this thread to this topic even though I have actually dedicated myself to continuing to help many local users to rank up with the merit that I have so far. Unfortunately I am not a merit source whose merit will be replenished every month, if I had then I would always help them every time I find the quality of the posts reported.

Thanks for that, LoyceV. I will and will continue to use the sMerit I receive from any user to help anyone at there, especially in the thread referenced by Arenga pinnata.

I had not seen that flag, and I was not following that thread.. .. but yeah, that may well be a good thread to follow, since some forum members are doing a decent amount of work to identify potentially problematic accounts in regards to their either being AI accounts or seeming to be highly reliant on AI to generate their post contents, which even some of the identification of such accounts (posts) might sometimes be difficult or ambiguous, since probably even normal (regular) people might start to generate some (or more) of their contents through some use of AI..

You sure sound like one.

Why would you ever apologize for sharing your opinion? To quote myself:

I'll skip this one. A topic filled with links to posts in a language I don't speak is going to take much more time than I'm willing to spend on it. I dumped some more sMerit on the OP though.

@JayJuanGee, if you haven't seen it yet, there are some doubts that the user @Felicity_Tide is using AI for its posts -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64077661

I doubt your working to elaborate on these points to justify or explain further is really helpful, instead of just going out there and working harder.. but whatever, you do you. .If you think that it is helpful to repeat these ideas then that's your choice.. I doubt it is helpful. but what do I know?


You can do whatever you like, but if you are irritating other members, then that might be based on your approach, so there likely is a decent amount of value in giving other forum members time to get to know you.. and there are a variety of ways to do such things including that some ways are likely going to be more effective than others.


Well if you read posts of members who have a lot of merits, you might get some ideas, yet at the same time, you need to develop your own style, and surely there can be a mixture of asking questions and providing answers, or personal experiences and/or input that others might find helpful... The longer that you are around, then the more likely other members get to know you, but still it can take quite a bit of time, and so it is true that sometimes newbies or relative newbies might not receive merits for some of their good posts.. yet both Igebotz and I suggested that it may well not be a good idea to try to rush the process, yet again, hey you can do what you like.


No problem, as long as you are not making errors on purpose, which might be read and/or considered as trolling - or some members might get turned off if they feel like you are merely asking questions that you should be able to easily answer.. I cannot really describe all situations, so sure you can try to figure out some ways in which you are both contributing and asking questions, so that you do not appear to be being lazy in terms of your own contribution to the ideas that might end up framing your questions.


Do you feel restricted in some kind of a way?  Forum members might give their opinions, but those opinions may or may not reflect actual forum policies.

I actually thought of that before, but I keep updating the thread every weekend so just dropping the link to the full thread here was an idea I taught would help not to litter this thread with so many links from over there. If any merit can visit once in a while would be fine, but if I must then I would update the quality post every week over here so any merit source can assist also.

I tried to work up the courage to come to this thread which always seems to get a lot of visits from Merit sources. Maybe this was driven by my concern about the Indonesian Local Board, which actually currently always has a lot of quality posts but many of them have not received Merits. And actually there is a special thread on the local Indonesian board which collects posts that are considered quality by the users themselves. But lately, especially in 2024, I see that it is rare for Sumber Merit to come there and check it.


And maybe I will bring the topic here and maybe there will be a Merit Source who can visit it when they have free time and review some of the submitted posts there. Which would actually probably be worthy of a Merit award.

Here is the topic: [HELP]Bantuan untuk menaikkan Rank (Newbie s.d Hero) V.2 [UPDATE]

My sincere apologies to everyone if my statement came in an offensive manner. By saying " I can't really be the judge of whether I make quality posts", it was my own way of saying: I am not perfect in terms of writing something so as to remove any form of pride from my actual statement. Without any denial, I think I might have been anticipating for merit but I haven't done anything illegal to get it either.

Forgive me if am wrong, but It has come to my observation that newbies are expected to do more of questioning rather than creating topics that they might be conversant with. Personally, I would also doubt a newbie if he/she writes something that I did as I clearly understand that so many people can go extreme to get what they want. One of the rule I read in my early days here suggest that writing good post earns you merit, and I literally don't know the forum standard of good post, but choose to continue what am doing and also accepting corrections till I get it right. Does asking questions only gives merit in any way?.

Lastly, i like to ask questions, reply post and also create topics that would trigger correction from the forum members and aid me to learn more. In other words, I totally enjoy it when someone point out my error.

If the forum happens to limit newbies in creating post, then I am read to adjust and do more of replying.


Am always ready to learn from everyone and improve as well. Thanks for the advice.