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newbie
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September 17, 2011, 04:25:43 AM
#69
I'd really like to see this too. Not just an image of it cracked open, but also what it looks like if you try your best to affix the hologram back onto the coin. Can you still see the honeycomb pattern through the hologram side?

Overwhelmingly yes. If you peel the sticker, the honeycombs show through the surface like the coin was at the front of a train wreck.  You won't miss it. The material is rigged so you are actually destroying the holographic layer as you peel. And a hair dryer will make the material shred faster. I'd love to see someone succeed... Those stickers are so easy to ruin that they will regularly ruin themselves just peeling them from the factory backing (those become the ones I rip open and sell as duds with no BTC).
Sweet. I have an tempting itch to buy some Smiley they're so cool!
jr. member
Activity: 69
Merit: 3
September 17, 2011, 03:16:23 AM
#68
Received mine today. All verified correctly as having 1BTC value on blockexplorer. They have a very satisfying size, weight, thickness, and color. These coins are unlike the ubiquitous, cheap, lightweight coins given out by grocery stores, arcades, AA, etc. The struck side fits in very well with traditional currency, while the hologram side is stunning; like something out of a movie. Eye-catching and quite beautiful. These coins are a great novelty and conversation starter, but I especially like that they're the real deal, not just a gimmick or souvenir.

Trust is a tricky thing. I have no reason to trust Mike Caldwell, nor do I have a reason to distrust him. The impression I've gotten so far is one of awareness and enthusiasm. Operating under a non-anonymous name and address helps to some degree. In any case, trust can only be built over time, it can never be asked for nor guaranteed.

Here are some photos I took with a few US coins mixed-in for comparison:



vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
September 16, 2011, 08:04:48 AM
#67
I'd really like to see this too. Not just an image of it cracked open, but also what it looks like if you try your best to affix the hologram back onto the coin. Can you still see the honeycomb pattern through the hologram side?

Overwhelmingly yes. If you peel the sticker, the honeycombs show through the surface like the coin was at the front of a train wreck.  You won't miss it. The material is rigged so you are actually destroying the holographic layer as you peel. And a hair dryer will make the material shred faster. I'd love to see someone succeed... Those stickers are so easy to ruin that they will regularly ruin themselves just peeling them from the factory backing (those become the ones I rip open and sell as duds with no BTC).
full member
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September 16, 2011, 03:51:14 AM
#66
It's a great attempt by Casascius. As most have said, it works as a novelty item. We also need to understand that most people in the world don't have a very active imagination, the physical bitcoins spark that imagination where the intangible symbolically becomes tangible. This is also a good way to spread the word of Bitcoins to communities with limited connection to the internet. They can still be part of the global colmunity with trading BTC, and the few places that have the net can verify the coins for them.

Casascius admits himself that he did his best and encourages competition in creating far more "trustworthy" forms of BTC.
newbie
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September 16, 2011, 02:55:06 AM
#65
I have my own set of questions...

- what does a peeled coin and it's prize look like,
- how does a tampered coin look after best efforts to replace hologram (remove with hair-dryer, replace perfectly)


I'd really like to see this too. Not just an image of it cracked open, but also what it looks like if you try your best to affix the hologram back onto the coin. Can you still see the honeycomb pattern through the hologram side?
legendary
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All paid signature campaigns should be banned.
September 16, 2011, 01:32:14 AM
#64
Got my coins.  They are beautiful.  For fun I checked every public key and every one was worth exactly 1 BTC.  Another very happy customer.  Keep up the good work!  Getting ready to order some more soon.  I am also looking forward to seeing the video showing someone cracking one open and moving the stored value to their electronic wallet.  Has anyone done this yet?  I am going to install pywallet when I get some spare time but as someone else pointed out I feel kind of like I am "killing a unicorn" by ripping one of my coins open.
legendary
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September 15, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
#63
I have to agree.  The Bitcoin world has too many players who 1) expect people to trust them, and 2) are clearly not very good at what they're doing.

You forgot "A never-ending supply of people who'd rather crap all over the bitcoin forums than doing something productive with their time."

I'd say more, but I'm sure you are off to your next forum appointment, bile at the ready.

Nagle is just a small, little, gov't or bank paid shill.  he's just a flea on the back of a huge bull.
legendary
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September 15, 2011, 08:38:58 PM
#62
I have to agree.  The Bitcoin world has too many players who 1) expect people to trust them, and 2) are clearly not very good at what they're doing.

You forgot "A never-ending supply of people who'd rather crap all over the bitcoin forums than doing something productive with their time."

I'd say more, but I'm sure you are off to your next forum appointment, bile at the ready.
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
September 14, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
#61
I have to agree.  The Bitcoin world has too many players who 1) expect people to trust them, and 2) are clearly not very good at what they're doing.

Most people clearly aren't very good at driving either, and any of them at any moment could swerve and kill you as you walk down the sidewalk, but surely that doesn't stop you from going outside.

Of course I expect people to trust me, it is consistent with how I function IRL.  I understand I'm a stranger to you and the majority of the world, but I can't help that.  If there was a way I could make the coins in a cost-effective manner that required trusting nobody, I'd do it.  Doing it and giving out my real world identity and allowing people to have recourse against me is second best.  Nobody is complaining and saying there shouldn't be a physical bitcoin.  Just don't buy one if you think I might rip you off for your 1 BTC!

legendary
Activity: 1512
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September 14, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
#60
If you are too incompetent/idle to get any of the 'outside' of the coin right, how can people be sure the printing on the 'inside' - the private keys - has been handled correctly? There is no way of telling without destroying the coin so trust is a key issue. Frankly I'm not exactly brimming with confidence you've got each and every ~30-char private key right for thousands of coins when you can't even spell your own name on the damn things.

I have to agree.  The Bitcoin world has too many players who 1) expect people to trust them, and 2) are clearly not very good at what they're doing.

If it is limited in its release, then the variation may have numismatic value. We would think that the US Mint wouldn't be so incompetent that they would strike one side of a dollar coin with the die for a quarter, but they did, and the coins that got out are now worth over $50,000.
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
September 14, 2011, 11:48:58 AM
#59
Maybe I will run a limited run with "WHO IS JOHN GALT" in place of "VIRES IN NUMERIS".
legendary
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nec sine labore
September 14, 2011, 11:48:07 AM
#58
"vires in numeris" is a known, old latin motto that I have seen before. It is perfectly correct gramatically to mean something like united we stand stronger..

Boussac,

you're wrong, I don't want to start a new thread about this issue; if you search the forum you'll find a long thread about this wrong motto that keeps coming out.

Cheers.

spiccioli.
legendary
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September 14, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
#57
If you are too incompetent/idle to get any of the 'outside' of the coin right, how can people be sure the printing on the 'inside' - the private keys - has been handled correctly? There is no way of telling without destroying the coin so trust is a key issue. Frankly I'm not exactly brimming with confidence you've got each and every ~30-char private key right for thousands of coins when you can't even spell your own name on the damn things.

I have to agree.  The Bitcoin world has too many players who 1) expect people to trust them, and 2) are clearly not very good at what they're doing.
legendary
Activity: 1512
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September 14, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
#56
On the other hand there's no reason why the customer couldn't load the value after arrival and just pay you for a blank coin (has address+key), removing that whole process from your workload.

There is a reason, and it's that I don't want zero-value intact physical bitcoins in the wild.  Otherwise nobody can trust on sight that when they receive one, that it actually contains a bitcoin.

Loading them after arrival confirmed by customer also means you can be sure the value isn't lost if the coin is lost/stolen. Which means you could use lower cost shipping like air mail.

A stolen or lost-in-transit unloaded coin would still be a "zero-value intact physical bitcoin in the wild". If coins were illegitimately obtained, we must still be able to trust their value (just like real stolen bitcoins Tongue). Looks like he's doing it right in not letting them get out without being loaded. If you wanted to, you could send more money to the coin though!

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I have my own set of questions...

- what does a peeled coin and it's prize look like,
- how does a tampered coin look after best efforts to replace hologram (remove with hair-dryer, replace perfectly),
- what does the private key look like, is it on the back of the hologram, or a little piece of paper? base58 or ?
- does a coin survive a trip through the washing machine and dryer?
- how are the keys/address printed, does a printing company also get these numbers, are they printed out on another sheet you use to load the coins, and when is that destroyed, etc. A clarification of how many eyes have seen the key.
- are you making sure the address is a unique firstbits before loading?
- what 3d features to look for in original hologram (vs Chinese counterfeit - and don't think they won't fake anything of value. Counterfeiting these coins would just be buying them, redeeming them, and putting them back in the wild with a counterfeit hologram. If they will fill gold bars with tungsten, they will fill coins with BTC good only for the PayPal dispute period)

 
Such questions might be better answered on the ordering website for that "secure" feeling.

Although you're probably not looking for design by committee, I have a few ideas for v2.

- The next round of holograms could have "casascius.com" instead, so a recipient knows to go there and see info about the coins.
- The hologram field (where the misspelling is) could be less 'brand-heavy', such as the words "tamper protected secure"
- The word "original" (especially if peeling alters this) could be "genuine" "authentic".
- Your website could have a "lookup your coin" feature to see the full address and balance, or a form that submits the coin to firstbits to get the full address.
- We assume the coin mainly circulates un-redeemed due to the higher cost than face value, but if someone wants to import and use the digital currency, some instructions for importing might be useful.


I can also see a clever programmer coming up with a website/gateway where you can input a private key, another bitcoin address, and amount to send, and the website can send the bitcoin to that address.

I will, however, sell the Bitcoin coin blanks without the hologram and without any value for 0.15 BTC.  I would also offer quantity discounts since I don't have to assemble them.
I would suggest striking out the value or other stamping on the front with a die on sample coins for the above counterfeit concern.

Edit: Previous post shows this is a peeled coin:
legendary
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e-ducat.fr
September 14, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
#55
"vires in numeris" is a known, old latin motto that I have seen before. It is perfectly correct gramatically to mean something like united we stand stronger..
full member
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September 14, 2011, 08:51:54 AM
#54
I would be interested in these, but only once the two issues with the misspelling and the bad latin are fixed in the next batch.

Suggestions for the latin thing:
"vires numeris" or
"vires numerorum" (power of the numbers) or
"vires per numeros" (<- not sure about this, my latin reaches its limits here Wink )

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vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
September 14, 2011, 07:58:16 AM
#53
On the other hand there's no reason why the customer couldn't load the value after arrival and just pay you for a blank coin (has address+key), removing that whole process from your workload.

There is a reason, and it's that I don't want zero-value intact physical bitcoins in the wild.  Otherwise nobody can trust on sight that when they receive one, that it actually contains a bitcoin.  They would have to look it up, which defeats the purpose of having a physical bitcoin.  I realize these are probably going to be collected more than traded, but they still need to remain genuine for them to really have any value.  I'd be willing to load them late for customs purposes, but I'm not willing to sell unloaded coins with an intact hologram.

I will, however, sell the Bitcoin coin blanks without the hologram and without any value for 0.15 BTC.  I would also offer quantity discounts since I don't have to assemble them.
hero member
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firstbits:1MinerQ
September 14, 2011, 02:08:15 AM
#52
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but the address pictured had no value at the time of the original post...now it contains 1 bitcoin...are you loading them as you fill orders? Are the private addresses really destroyed (save the copy in the coin)?

Yes and yes.  I load each coin once I have confirmed that I haven't rejected it for some reason (such as ruining the label while peeling it - which happens a fair bit - and there's only one for each address).  Of course, only the public addresses are needed for this process.  I have a little app that helps me load them in large batches using the bitcoind "sendmany" RPC command.

The private keys were generated on a fresh OS install dedicated just for the purpose, on a computer that never connected to any networks, and the entire batch printed on sheets of paper directly from that machine.  I have since securely erased the hard drive.

Loading them after arrival confirmed by customer also means you can be sure the value isn't lost if the coin is lost/stolen. Which means you could use lower cost shipping like air mail.

On the other hand there's no reason why the customer couldn't load the value after arrival and just pay you for a blank coin (has address+key), removing that whole process from your workload.

Either way, only by looking in the block chain do you know what value the coin actually holds.
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
September 14, 2011, 01:34:20 AM
#51
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but the address pictured had no value at the time of the original post...now it contains 1 bitcoin...are you loading them as you fill orders? Are the private addresses really destroyed (save the copy in the coin)?

Yes and yes.  I load each coin once I have confirmed that I haven't rejected it for some reason (such as ruining the label while peeling it - which happens a fair bit - and there's only one for each address).  Of course, only the public addresses are needed for this process.  I have a little app that helps me load them in large batches using the bitcoind "sendmany" RPC command.

The private keys were generated on a fresh OS install dedicated just for the purpose, on a computer that never connected to any networks, and the entire batch printed on sheets of paper directly from that machine.  I have since securely erased the hard drive.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1036
September 14, 2011, 12:52:23 AM
#50
Forgive me if this was already discussed, but the address pictured had no value at the time of the original post...now it contains 1 bitcoin...are you loading them as you fill orders? Are the private addresses really destroyed (save the copy in the coin)?
Darnit, I guess I'm too late to vanitygen that address for firstbits and put 100BTC on it!
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