Topic: Hitler vs. Stalin - page 3. (Read 3214 times)

A few years ago, I did some simple calculations. The USSR lost some 80 million people, as a result of WW2, Gulags, famines and reduced birth rates from these catastrophes. Taking in to account the natural growth from 1930s to 1990, that 80 million would have grown to 200 million. In 1989, the White (Slav + Germanic.etc) population in USSR was around 220 million. Imagine what would have happened, had that been some 420 million!

At that time (1990), the parasites (Azeris, Uzbecs.etc) numbered around 50 million and the Union collapsed under their pressure. Had there been some 420 million whites, then the USSR would have been able to cope with the parasites, at least for another century.

stalin saved russia from zionists. period.

No. That non-aggression pact was a brilliant tactical feat that postponed an imminent attack of Germany on the Soviet Union at a time when USSR was fighting with Germany's ally - Japan - in Mongolia. At that time USSR could ill afford fighting on two fronts, and would have surely lost. If not for that pact, Europe and Russia would be speaking German now, and China and the rest of Asia - Japanese. Always look at a a bigger picture.

One of the worst things Stalin did before the war, was basically decapitating the Soviet Army - most of the command and middle layer was killed off during the purges and repressions of the 30s.

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I agree with you there. Both Stalin and Hitler did some terrible things, but they are in different categories and are not comparable.

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Yes there are a lot of lies and half-truths. With regards to Stalin, I can say based on the tragic experience of my own family, that neither Gulag, nor the famine are hoaxes. And virtually every family in the former USSR has been touched by that.

Regarding famine. The hoax that was propagated over the last 20 years is that it was created specifically to target Ukraine. Famine covered large part of Russia and Ukraine, and the death toll was largest in Central Russia. My great-great-grandmother died of hunger in those years - and that branch of my family is from Southern Siberia. Famine was triggered by mismanagement of resources, by the need to industrialise and by USSR's dependence on imports - at that time Western countries refused to sell industrial items for Russian gold, but accepted grain.

Gulag. My great-grandmother, grandmother, her sister and her brother suffered through that system of forced-labour camps, put there on false accusations, and rehabilitated only after Stalin's death. Only my grandmother survived.

Yes, Germany was very strong at the time. They took the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia without a battle and also Poland, Stalin didn't like it. He needed to buy time to mobilise troops. Hitler knew Stalin was not his ally and his mistake was thinking Germany could defeat Russia before the Russian winter.

Oh gawd, not another Google vs Apple thread!   

Stalin now enjoy a bad reputation. But he is never as bad as Adolf Hitler according to the west.
Stalin was a much greater mass murderer than Adolf Hitler.

It's less likely to die as a resident of a country occupied by the nazis then in one occupied by communists
I think

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2091670/Hitler-Stalin-The-murderous-regimes-world.html

Hitler's 3rd

So Hitler> Stalin

Stalin was never interested in a war with the Nazis. He knew that the German forces were technologically much superior to his own troops. Had Hitler refrained from attacking the USSR, the Soviets never would have participated in the WW2, and the Nazis would have conquered the entire Western Europe.

Actually Stalin was planning a showdown with the jews before he died. The "Night of the Murdered Poets", the "Doctors plot" and the increasingly vocal anti-zionist propaganda (plus the rumours about setting up a Deportation Commission, and building new camps on the far-east) all pointing towards new large scale purges against the jewish population.

Stalin participated in WW2 start also, he just had been standing behind the scene. If you agree, that WW2 started when 3rd Reich invaded Poland, what about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#The_secret_protocol

He was a silent beneficient of all that mess.

Soviet's main goal was to create classless world, so they have to conquer all countries first. For the first time they tried in 1920, but had to make a retreat on the foregrounds of Warsaw.

The Chinese cultural revolution by "Chairman" Mao resulted in more than 30 million deaths.... but that is still less than half of the roughly 80 million deaths, resulted from the WW2. And moreover, Mao never targeted any particular ethnic group for extermination.

Well, the victor seems to write history, and as such, Hitler will forever embody evil to western observers. Stalin fought with "the good guys" and as such his brutality was excused at the time.
To put the question at the other end of the scale, suppose you looked at two serial killers, one of whom killed entire families and the other killed random strangers. They're certainly different. But is it meaningful to say that the former is 'worse' than the latter?
And does it really matter?  
Each of them caused the deaths of millions either directly or indirectly.  
They were both monsters.

EDIT: and Mao probably beats them both combined.

almost as many lies told about stalin as hitler, on the one hand evil racist gas chamber hoax on the other gulag and man made famine, folks believe the lies depending on what sort of politics they like, white nationalist anticommunist buys the jewish lies about ussr and churchill worshipper westerner buys the jewish lies about germany

Hitler and fascism in general were supported in the beginning by the west too, especially business. Up to 1938 or 39 you still had American diplomats saying Hitler wasn't all bad, just misunderstood.

Hitler triggered the WW2, which caused some 80 million deaths in total. He also tried to exterminate various ethnic groups, such as the Sinte (West European) Romanies and Ashkenazi Jews, with great success. On the other-hand, Stalin was responsible for some 10-20 million deaths. Stalin cannot be compared to Hitler. Stalin was evil, but Hitler was beyond that.

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This was the world facing those in Central and Eastern Europe in the 1930s.  What a choice…as if anyone living there had much of a choice.

Hitler significantly consolidated power in 1933.  The Reichstag fire, election victories (thanks to the support of the German communists, on orders from Stalin), the first concentration camps, an enabling act allowing Hitler to rule by decree.  All big news throughout the western world, compared to the minor news item of the millions killed by the intentional famines and deportations occurring in the Soviet Union at the same time.

Internationally, Stalin was given a pass: “…with the help of many sympathizers abroad….”  Hitler was confronted with “voices of criticism and outrage.”  This at a time when the deaths attributable to Stalin’s policies were infinitely greater than those attributable to Hitler’s.
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