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Topic: HODL! U.S. debt Alarm - page 2. (Read 573 times)

legendary
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August 22, 2019, 05:57:53 AM
#29
Whether a huge national debt indicates a bad economic situation in the country has been always a big question for me. Look at the list of top 5 countries with the highest external debt:



Can we say that the countries from the list above have poorer economic situation than that of the countries from the list below?



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Or, if we take GDP into consideration,


Source: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt/

Would it be right to suggest that economic situation in Sudan is somehow better than that in Japan?

legendary
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August 22, 2019, 02:09:58 AM
#28
They think cutting would create a better economy and republicans love to make cuts to tax in order to make people live with money they have instead of getting free stuff from government but what they are forgetting is that rich people and wealthy could pay no taxes and still live without any government hand out whereas poor people will have a lot of hard time, no tax country where everything is charged is not something poor people can afford whereas if everyone paid a decent amount of tax according to how much they make then all of the country could live happily.

These tax cuts would make few people better off in economical sense whereas it will create a lot of trouble for the whole of the country, 90%+ will be affected to save the %1 richest one once again.
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August 22, 2019, 12:15:48 AM
#27
After his election, Trump promised to wipe out the US national debt, but the national debt has already grown at a rapid rate and exceeded $ 22 trillion for the first time in February.
As experts say, this will be a concern because over time it can raise interest rates for consumers, which means higher rates of mortgages and other types of loans.


For more ---> Debt and deficits are skyrocketing. How does it affect you?
Source ---> 'Self-inflicted wound': Donald Trump signs budget bill as
experts warn he's on track to add trillions to U.S. debt



  Trump wrote:

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Budget Deal is phenomenal for our Great Military, our Vets, and Jobs, Jobs, Jobs! Two year deal gets us past the Election. Go for it Republicans, there is always plenty of time to CUT!
I read somewhere that US is going to print USDs worth of 7 trillion to pay their debts which caused them expense of 320 billion for the printing works which means their debt will be gone but their money will go deep down due to the high inflation rate in the short time period.I am not sure much about why they got debts but it is not good for the future of a nation like US whose money to be considered as one of the most stable all around the world.
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August 21, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
#26
The debt doesn't even matter, don't be fooled.  Its all just a magic show they put on us to trap us and keep us controlled.  What matters is hard scientific breakthroughs that really change our lives and when the ones in power want to use it for evil they will destroy us.
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August 21, 2019, 08:18:00 PM
#25
I can say that president Trump is trying his best to neutalize this debt issue but like the other past presidents it is very impossible to totally wipe out this increasing obligation specially if the people are not united to support his campaigns but uniting them is very impossible too therefore expect that this plunged debt will continue until his last term
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 05:04:39 PM
#24
Hold more good assets, and if you have mortgages expect a higher interest rates in the coming years so try to buy more bitcoin for now.

Holding good assets (i.e. Bitcoin, Gold, etc) should be something people by default should do. In times where there isn't much demand for Gold due to strong global economics, its price is usually lower and for that reason a great time to enter and keep adding as time goes by. Most people tend to wait for things to turn bad before they start buying themselves into Gold.

It might sound a bit contractictory coming from a Bitcoin maximalist, but it's definitely a good idea to buy up some physical Gold too. As long as Bitcoin is seen as a risk-on asset by the general public, it might get dumped down just as hard as stocks will be dumped down. Gold is generally the last asset that is liquidated when people are in need of fiat.
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 02:31:57 PM
#23
HODL bitcoin or not, the recession that's at our necks is gonna fuck us all, and we can do literally nothing about it.
It's going to be nasty. Italy already went in to a recession last year, and looking at the same again this year. Other major economies, such as China, Germany, UK, and South Korea, have already seen a contraction in one quarter this year so far, and are therefore on the brink of a recession. There are plenty of other smaller economies in the same situation, and some other countries already in a recession. Impossible to say when it's coming, but it is, and we are all entering it in a far worse economic state than we did in 2008.

If you prefer to fight with the latest guns than to eat, then you have a problem.
US government spending is ridiculous, and the national debt will only increase with the money being allocated as it is. The US spends more on defense than the next seven highest spending countries combined. The US alone makes up over one third of global military expenditure. Other ridiculous spending includes healthcare; between medicare, medicaid, and other health spending, the US spends around 23% of its entire budget on health. In terms of both dollars per capita and GDP, the US spends at least twice as much as most other Western nations on healthcare (and gets worse outcomes for it, but that's a whole other discussion).
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 12:57:51 PM
#22
The US monetary system is made to allow for an ever increasing debt.

This is what a lot of doomsdayers don't understand. Fiat monies with floating exchange rates work as a matter of faith. The only things that threaten that faith are liquidity crises, like we saw in 2008. Fundamentally the number itself, the amount of debt, doesn't matter. This is why the doomsdayers who have been predicting imminent USD collapse for decades have been perpetually wrong. The system is unsustainable but predicting which liquidity crisis will finally cause a global currency reset is a fool's errand. We could be dead before it finally happens.
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August 21, 2019, 12:17:36 PM
#21
A country is considered in difficulties when its Debt-to-GDP ratio is above ~75%. The US ratio is over 100-110%. Yet the country keeps spending half of the budget in military programs. If you prefer to fight with the latest guns than to eat, then you have a problem. Printing money doesn't help at all, it only devalues the dollar and creates inflation.

Perhaps he knows how to manage companies financially, and it's still debatable, but in any case, he doesn't know how to do it with a country's budget at all. The U.S. budget deficit is out of mind, either they change their habits or welcome a recession.
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August 21, 2019, 11:56:31 AM
#20
Last time I check was when the debt has risen in an alarming rate in the US it triggered a recession in their country so I expect all of their markets will follow up and start having a bear market. With all their investors liquidating their assets for some quick cash I know only the safest place to go now is to international markets like Forex and also the crypto market. The crypto market will play an important role here but I doubt that it will be a guaranteed positive effect because we do have some whales in the market not to mention a lot of traders already existing in there.
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August 21, 2019, 11:41:51 AM
#19
In every country this is common to see the wiping out of debt on the election agenda. American president Trump too have given the same statement, and later they understand about the reality. From my understanding in one term of ruling it is impossible to make every plans executed, at least two term of governance will make the plans implemented.

Importantly when the debt goes beyond limits USA will always have the plans of printing the currency of their own to stop the inflation.
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August 21, 2019, 07:47:17 AM
#18
This debt will never runs out, it will continue to grow as they continue to improve their country and become a better nation. The recession are coming and no one can stop that, the U.S debt continues to hurt their economy and the trade war with China is a bad decision for U.S, they can't stop China on this way. Hold more good assets, and if you have mortgages expect a higher interest rates in the coming years so try to buy more bitcoin for now.
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August 21, 2019, 07:36:17 AM
#17
What should be emphasized is that this promise or rather the utter nonsense is from 2 April, 2016 based on link stompix posted,, and we know that after 3+ years there were no positive changes regarding the reduction of national debt, but it happened just the opposite - so that debt grew from $ 19 trillion to $22 trillion in time of Trump presidency. Does anyone think that this debt will go down in next 4-5 years? Only if they appoint the greatest miracle worker of all time instead of the president in White House.

Maybe Trump plans to reduce national debt with the purchase of Greenland? When Denmark say no to that offer, he is canceled state visit to that country Roll Eyes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/21/trump-state-visit-cancellation-over-greenland-shocks-danes
legendary
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August 21, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
#16
Hard to imagine that kind of debt... 22 trillion dollars! Doesn't the country see what's happening and doesn't it realize it is only delaying the collapse of its own economy? Or will the world bank and all US allies step in to save them?

Bitcoin people are happy but they should also worry if the world's largest economy collapses.
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August 21, 2019, 05:12:30 AM
#15
After his election, Trump promised to wipe out the US national debt,

Do you have link to source of that promise. Sounds a dumb promise. Thx in advance.
I really have my doubts that Trump said anything about wiping out the national debt, This actually coming from a businessman who has has declared bankruptcy a number of times seems untrue. And also being an apt businessman, i think he knows its not really feasible. His main promises i believe was securing their borders and making sure that there is jobs for Americans.
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August 21, 2019, 05:01:56 AM
#14
All countries fiat currency allows debt. EURO is a little bit different because there are more countries that have to reach an agreement on the max allowed yearly percents, but that's all.

Since the debt is in US dollars, I guess that the "easy" way to reduce it is by inflation: make the same debt worth less. Just US doesn't afford to have too big inflation, because then the US Dollar will not be considered by the weaker countries to safe heaven. But every tenth of a percent matters a lot.

All in all, while the debt increases indeed, the US Dollar may not fall too deep. Actually I expect that the increased influence of US in Arabia is exactly to keep oil prices in US Dollar, keeping the currency strong.
If that changes, then indeed, US Dollar may get into tough times.
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August 21, 2019, 04:49:38 AM
#13
Politicians lie and that is one thing you can always bargain on. Donald Trump's main goal with these trade wars was to build the local economy and to create more jobs in the USA. The problem with that is that certain industries started to collapse, after he started with these trade wars, because other countries like China had control over certain imports that was needed to sustain certain industries within the USA.

It also does not give him a 100% guarantee that more jobs would lead to less debt. People's lust for consumer goods and junk food is just one of the problems that the USA have to deal with.   Roll Eyes
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August 21, 2019, 03:49:07 AM
#12
Now, if a Republican President could not stop the mounting debt, how much more a Democrat one? 

Well, Clinton managed to do it.
So, for the last period, at last, Republicans managed to increase the deficit far more than Democrats.
Anyhow, I wouldn't consider Trump as a republican, the man is whatever he thinks is cool to be.

Can somebody tell me if this website[1] for the monitoring of US debt is viable and somehow accurate?

[1] https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Not really, they get the data from sources that publish them quarterly or yearly and make projections of it.
So the clock might go forwards when in fact for the whole period the situation changed, or it can have a higher or lower speed than it is actually happening.

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August 21, 2019, 03:16:55 AM
#11
Some how it was the financial meltdown of 2008 in the United States of America that gave rise to the idea of Bitcoin and now it is look like the same America will further strengthen bitcoin indirectly through its inability to solve its debt backlog. We are waiting for this.
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August 21, 2019, 03:06:36 AM
#10


The USA economy (and similar nations who modeled their system from it) is now beyond redemption from the straggling debt and its insurmountable problems. No President can ever stop the mounting debt as doing so is considered as political suicide. Debt can mean more money for the government to do its job and more money for public services and projects which are undoubtedly good reasons to borrow more and more...leave to the future generations how they will cope the most important thing is to survive in the present. Now, if a Republican President could not stop the mounting debt, how much more a Democrat one? 
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