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Topic: Home mining makes a comeback: check out Spondoolies new offer, the Jackson SP20 - page 2. (Read 4942 times)

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
AMHash
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Total cost: 2.04 ($781.32 @ 383 $/BTC)
Maintenance fee: $2.771 per day (0.00723499 BTC per day @ 383 $/BTC)

SP20
Cost: $785
Delivery to UK: $115
1300W PSU: $200
Total: $1100
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Power efficiency: 0.7 J/Gh
Cost per Gh: 0.64 $/Gh

AM's maintenance fee of $2.771 per day would be equivalent to running an SP20 with electricity costs of 0.096 $/kWh. I pay about 15p/kWh here in the UK which works out to about 0.24 $/kWh. That's what hosting is for though! Using Toomin Brothers hosting:

1 month: $118.8 per month = $3.91 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.136 $/Gh)
3 months: $111.6 per month = $3.68 per day
6 months: $103.2 per month = $3.40 per day
12 months: $96 per month = $3.16 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.110 $/Gh)

So, an SP20 is quite clearly overpriced compared to the available competition. To claim otherwise is totally delusional.

As the above maths show, an SP20 would need to be priced at around $460 or less and electricity costs would need to be around 0.096 $/kWh or less to simply match AMHash's profitability.

I don't think it's fair to compare cloud and hardware.   I think it would be more of the prisma against SP20.  And really amhash is not cloud but a havlock investment.

i suppose what it really boils down to is personal preference.
some people are willing to trust their funds in the hands of others with IPO's and what-not and some just enjoy to mine.
I think you are right, amhash is not a real mining operation - it's a smoke and mirrors way of Am getting suckers to invest (again)

i've been away a while so forgive my ignorance, but... have AM yet paid out their shareholders from their last 'IPO' ?
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
AMHash
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Total cost: 2.04 ($781.32 @ 383 $/BTC)
Maintenance fee: $2.771 per day (0.00723499 BTC per day @ 383 $/BTC)

SP20
Cost: $785
Delivery to UK: $115
1300W PSU: $200
Total: $1100
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Power efficiency: 0.7 J/Gh
Cost per Gh: 0.64 $/Gh

AM's maintenance fee of $2.771 per day would be equivalent to running an SP20 with electricity costs of 0.096 $/kWh. I pay about 15p/kWh here in the UK which works out to about 0.24 $/kWh. That's what hosting is for though! Using Toomin Brothers hosting:

1 month: $118.8 per month = $3.91 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.136 $/Gh)
3 months: $111.6 per month = $3.68 per day
6 months: $103.2 per month = $3.40 per day
12 months: $96 per month = $3.16 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.110 $/Gh)

So, an SP20 is quite clearly overpriced compared to the available competition. To claim otherwise is totally delusional.

As the above maths show, an SP20 would need to be priced at around $460 or less and electricity costs would need to be around 0.096 $/kWh or less to simply match AMHash's profitability.

I don't think it's fair to compare cloud and hardware.   I think it would be more of the prisma against SP20.  And really amhash is not cloud but a havlock investment.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
the sp20 should do .65 per gh  or better.   .65 vs .80 is a big difference.

Why are you comparing an under-clocked SP20 with an over-clocked Prisma? Over-clocking generally requires an increase in voltage causing an increase in power. Under-clocking leads to a decrease in power. If you're going to do comparisons then do under-clocked vs under-clocked, standard vs standard, or over-clocked vs over-clocked. Otherwise you're basically just fudging the data.
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
I own 8 s-3's.
 I own 1 asic miner prisma.

I purchased 1 sp20.  I always wanted one from spondoolies.

The asic miner prisma is very loud has had more then one documented melt down.

Cost is 1.47 x  387 = 568 usd   plus 30 usd to ship total of 600 usd  it uses same psu as the sp20


the sp20 is 835 shipped to the usa if you can find a promo for it.        so the price difference is 235 usd.   with btc moving in price I paid 200 usd different  for my two order.

the best I can do with the asic miner  prisma is 1545 ch at 1235 watts  .  this is .799 watts  per gh


the sp20 should do .65 per gh  or better.   .65 vs .80 is a big difference.


legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
i get free electric.  Cool feel free to stick your 'maintenance cost' - somewhere in China.

If you have free electricity then you'd have to be an idiot to buy one of the most expensive miners per Gh current available. Also, the vast majority of people don't have free electricity.

'you'd have to be an idiot' to fail to comprehend what having free electricity means. it means that even the most expensive of mining equipment will mine continually right up until 21million bitcoins and your 'AMHASH' pish will be worthless in 6 months - nevermind the already worthless AM shares that the company have offloaded to the suckers who bought them.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



You are the one who fails to comprehend what it means. That's why you are buying the most expensive equipment. Meanwhile, back in reality where the vast majority of people actually have to pay for their electricity...an SP20 would need to be priced at around $460 or less and electricity costs would need to be around 0.096 $/kWh or less to simply match AMHash's profitability.

They are just baiting you so they can indirectly promote their own product by quoting it in a reply.

Because competition and choice are such terrible things? Can't have people promoting alternatives now can we? Especially when those alternatives are actually far superior.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
it all boils down, to one's personal belief (or lack of it) in Bitcoin.
is this not why we are here?

member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Show us the maths comparing it to AMHash then. Include the required delivery costs and the cost of a PSU as well.

for why should i be arsed to do this?

 Cheesy

They are just baiting you so they can indirectly promote their own product by quoting it in a reply.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i get free electric.  Cool feel free to stick your 'maintenance cost' - somewhere in China.

If you have free electricity then you'd have to be an idiot to buy one of the most expensive miners per Gh current available. Also, the vast majority of people don't have free electricity.

'you'd have to be an idiot' to fail to comprehend what having free electricity means. it means that even the most expensive of mining equipment will mine continually right up until 21million bitcoins and your 'AMHASH' pish will be worthless in 6 months - nevermind the already worthless AM shares that the company have offloaded to the suckers who bought them.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
i get free electric.  Cool feel free to stick your 'maintenance cost' - somewhere in China.

If you have free electricity then you'd have to be an idiot to buy one of the most expensive miners per Gh current available. Also, the vast majority of people don't have free electricity.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
i get free electric.  Cool feel free to stick your 'maintenance cost' - somewhere in China.
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
AMHash
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Total cost: 2.04 ($781.32 @ 383 $/BTC)
Maintenance fee: $2.771 per day (0.00723499 BTC per day @ 383 $/BTC)

SP20
Cost: $785
Delivery to UK: $115
1300W PSU: $200
Total: $1100
Hash rate: 1700 Gh/s
Power efficiency: 0.7 J/Gh
Cost per Gh: 0.64 $/Gh

AM's maintenance fee of $2.771 per day would be equivalent to running an SP20 with electricity costs of 0.096 $/kWh. I pay about 15p/kWh here in the UK which works out to about 0.24 $/kWh. That's what hosting is for though! Using Toomin Brothers hosting:

1 month: $118.8 per month = $3.91 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.136 $/Gh)
3 months: $111.6 per month = $3.68 per day
6 months: $103.2 per month = $3.40 per day
12 months: $96 per month = $3.16 per day (equivalent to an SP20 @ 0.110 $/Gh)

So, an SP20 is quite clearly overpriced compared to the available competition. To claim otherwise is totally delusional.

As the above maths show, an SP20 would need to be priced at around $460 or less and electricity costs would need to be around 0.096 $/kWh or less to simply match AMHash's profitability.
legendary
Activity: 1150
Merit: 1004
This price is close, but not quite there...

If you don't include shipping or power supplies, and you have free power, then at a 10% difficulty you're looking at about 180 days for break even. If you're willing to gamble that the difficulty might stagnate at around 5%, then you're still looking at 120 days for ROI.

Now if these came down to around 1.5 BTC (shipped), then we'd be in the target area for a 90 day ROI at 10% difficulty. I would buy then because I've already got the power supplies and free power.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Show us the maths comparing it to AMHash then. Include the required delivery costs and the cost of a PSU as well.

for why should i be arsed to do this?

 Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Show us the maths comparing it to AMHash then. Include the required delivery costs and the cost of a PSU as well.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1005
ASIC Wannabe
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Its overpriced, 1 TH/s market price is less then 1 BTC right now...

Can you show the less then 1 btc?

I'm curious to see it's efficiency on electricity.

the prisma mostly, but i think thats pre-shipping.

benefits of the SP20 over S3+ units:
-fewer machines to configure (1.7TH/unit vs 0.5TH/unit)
-Spondoolies allows software undervolting for efficiency in 3-6 months from now or as needed
-smaller size

disadvantage:
-slightly higher BTC/TH price (shipping is cheaper though due to smaller size/weight)
-NOISY. 212cfm-capable fan means a lot of fan noise coming from this box
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Its overpriced, 1 TH/s market price is less then 1 BTC right now...

Can you show the less then 1 btc?

I'm curious to see it's efficiency on electricity.
sr. member
Activity: 285
Merit: 250
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin

Its overpriced, 1 TH/s market price is less then 1 BTC right now...
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100 $795.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.

^FTFY. if you think $795 for 1.7TH/s is 'WAY overpriced' you should really find another hobby  Kiss

the equation is this;

Your belief in Bitcoin vs price of hardware vs your electricity costs.
nowhere in this equation is the efficacy of the miner, as you fail to mention the efficacy of the miner in your own statement.
you're welcome.  Grin
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
These things are WAY over priced.  $1100.  3 S3s will give you similar hash rate and just slightly less efficient W/Ghs wise at just above half the price.  Its a no brainer.  And of course there is also the C1 which isn't as efficient but the price is right.
grn
sr. member
Activity: 357
Merit: 252


Yeah you will get a very nice Super mega vacuum cleaner sound in your home

That´s not a miner to be set in your home it´s incredibly noisy

Better get some C1´s though

i want to get some c1's but are you saying they or the whole setup is noisy like an spondoolies box?

C1's are about the quietest miner currently available
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