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Topic: Hong Kong Police Freeze $10M Fund for Protesters - Bitcoin Becomes Attractive - page 3. (Read 590 times)

legendary
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I wonder how people could face the internet shutdown if they really want to use bitcoin for temporary safehaven because the government will surely taking an action to prevent such thing from happening and to note that the exchanges there might be controlled by the government so the hongkong citizens will be having a hard time cashing out once they need the money except selling it overseas.

China already has the great firewall, all they have to is force Hong Kong into it as well. This will complicate things, but never stop it. The only way to stop it is do it North Korea style, which is basically a nation sized LAN with authorized content manually copied in.

Maybe these new (low orbit) satellite based internet services would also enable circumventing the State censorship, IF you manage to smuggle in AND camouflage the antenna and receiver. China officially forbids stuff above their airspace, who knows what they would do if these become common.

Money can't do much but keep the protests going endlessly. Neither they can liberate HK from the Chinese State, nor the Chinese State can completely end the protests. But time is on their side, the Chinese State side. From experience i know, protests fade when unsuccessful overtime. This struggle was lost the day they went back into China, rather than go independent or maybe join Taiwan, including the American military presence. It is too late now, and they only realize it two decades late.

This situation can only prolong without any resolution, other than more and more oppression by the State.

It was too naive of them openly piling sums of money in the banks. Did they think they had a right to protest? Not in communist China.
legendary
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Even though they can buy/sell crypto already in HK, I still think that it's unsafe for them to do so knowing that they can be setup for buy-bust and get their funds locked up. Also, the risk for the tellers dealing with bitcoin to the protesters would also be high and I don't think anyone would ever dare do that in the midst of the crisis. Lastly, bitcoin is not that easy to liquidate and it will take a long ass time before the protesters get their needed funds. It's just too risky even though the use-case is very evident.
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I wonder how people could face the internet shutdown if they really want to use bitcoin for temporary safehaven because the government will surely taking an action to prevent such thing from happening and to note that the exchanges there might be controlled by the government so the hongkong citizens will be having a hard time cashing out once they need the money except selling it overseas.
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Now that their funds were locked out, I think it's time for them to take Bitcoin seriously.

Storing them in banks is such a bad idea, especially if they are using it for protests. If they could have stored it in Bitcoin, the police and government cannot stop them as they do not own or control the blockchain technology.

Bitcoin took out the third party or intermediary in peer-to-peer transactions, and this is what Hongkong protesters should need if they want to keep their funds safe from being frozen.

This is Bitcoin's time now. We're not just focusing on the price itself, but how can it be used without the risk of having our funds frozen.

The use case is there, but we've got to be realistic about the limitations. Bitcoin still lacks the network liquidity required to facilitate required day-to-day capital movements, and reliance on the internet can be problematic in protest areas.

Global Protests Reveal Bitcoin’s Limitations

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In the face of censorship and isolation from their countries’ financial and communication systems, protesters across the globe are testing out bitcoin and other decentralized technologies – then promptly discovering their limitations.

Take Hong Hong, for example, where protests began six months ago against China’s infringements on civil liberties and ramped up on Monday at Hong Kong Polytechnic University as police detained 1,000 protesters.

The former British colony would seem the perfect test case for an open-access financial system resistant to government interference. But that may not yet bet the case.

Take for example, HSBC Holdings reportedly shutting down the bank account of Spark Alliance HK, a local nonprofit focused on civic engagement, because it was associated with protests and the bank was allegedly pressured by Beijing. The move reminded protesters and donors of the need to transact privately, one protestor, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told CoinDesk. Nonprofits like HKMap Live and Hong Kong Free Press already accept bitcoin donations.

However, the Hong Kong protester added, “there is no [internet] connection in the protest area, no matter which service provider you used,” and protesters are generally not clear on how bitcoin would be used by individuals during a time of civil unrest. It is mostly useful for receiving donations from abroad that don’t require prompt liquidity.

Plus, he said protesters who tried mesh-network devices, which basically bounce a message or transaction across a web of devices until it finds a device with internet access, found they were “not useful for a confrontational situation.” Although many protesters use Telegram because it allows chatting without revealing the users’ phone numbers, he said tools that rely on mobile data providers offer limited functionality in times of turmoil.

As with protests in the Middle East, sources in Hong Kong said bitcoin and related technologies are not ready for usage in chaotic environments because the movement is still nascent and money generally relies on network effects. At this point, censorship-resistant technology can still be censored as long as it remains too niche.

“People are moving their money abroad more,” said one Chinese bitcoiner with family in Hong Kong, who asked that her name be withheld for safety. “But it’s from bank to bank, like Hong Kong accounts to Singapore.”
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Storing fund in bitcoin is fantastic because of some level of raskality from the government who use economic and social tools to repressing the already distressed citizens. In such a time Cryptocurrency era. The government do carry out too much stressful decision
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The Hong Kong Police, working with China, has frozen a major fund that was intended for arrested and injured protestors. The case for financial freedom with Bitcoin has never been more clear.

Bitcoin’s popularity always seems to spike when people’s wallets are directly affected. Throughout 2019, we’ve seen multiple fears of bank runs and ATMs running out of cash during crises. In October, BeInCrypto reported that Chilean ATMs were reportedly locked during a state of emergency. That same month, Bitcoin trading volume ballooned as Hong Kong residents found themselves locked out of ATMs.


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Now that their funds were locked out, I think it's time for them to take Bitcoin seriously.

Storing them in banks is such a bad idea, especially if they are using it for protests. If they could have stored it in Bitcoin, the police and government cannot stop them as they do not own or control the blockchain technology.

Bitcoin took out the third party or intermediary in peer-to-peer transactions, and this is what Hongkong protesters should need if they want to keep their funds safe from being frozen.

This is Bitcoin's time now. We're not just focusing on the price itself, but how can it be used without the risk of having our funds frozen.
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