Housebets.io scammed me and many others

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 25, 2023, 11:16:07 AM

OP, Butternuts25, do you have any more thing to add? If you don't, I think this became quite clear to us that you tried to abuse the system and peer-pressuring housebets into giving up the confiscated funds. I'll consider this case closed and will take other case you might escalate in the future with grains of salt.

I doubt if he has any plausible defense in this regard.

OP was dishonest and manipulated the platform for his personal gain and as if that is not enough, he comes here to make false accusations. If anything, OP should have a red tag for his false claims and being a cheat.

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OP, Butternuts25, do you have any more thing to add? If you don't, I think this became quite clear to us that you tried to abuse the system and peer-pressuring housebets into giving up the confiscated funds. I'll consider this case closed and will take other case you might escalate in the future with grains of salt.

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 18, 2023, 11:48:18 AM

Quoting for image visibility

Quote from: CallMeJojo on July 18, 2023, 09:24:18 AM

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We would like to put this thread to rest and report butternuts25 as a Scammer.

Throughout all his posts on Bitcointalk, he has mentioned he has bet $1 spins (contrary to the evidence shown above) and not received his withdrawal. We have paid out over $600 in profit to him, and as you can see he has opened multiple accounts with our casino in an attempt to keep exploiting the bug.

His accusation is entirely unmerited. We pride ourselves on being on the leading edge of decentralized on-chain betting and fairness.

We appreciate the support and trust of our community members, and we will continue to work diligently to provide an exceptional betting experience for all.

I am not pointing my finger to you or OP, I am trying to clarify things, for the IP shared by three users, I believe OP said that his wife also played, so probably the other one is his wife's, and the third one is... OP, can you shed us some light here? Meanwhile, CallMeJojo does your platform specifically prohibit multiple user from the same address?

Appreciate your reply and also your quote facilitating the visibility of the images. Replying to your question, We have no problem with multiple accounts on the same IP, and are flexible with someone having multiple accounts if they notify us the reason (as blockchain is tricky re mobile and desktop) but not for abusing the system.

Returning to the allegations of Butternuts, we provided everything that proves OP was indeed exploiting the bug and was not happy when we were able to stop him. We are open to replying to other questions related to the platform so you all feel more comfortable using it, Housebets has impressive bonuses of up to 300% on the first three deposits, a bet mining feature that rewards the users to always have some LFI in their wallet, and also monthly competitions.

Thank you for being part of all this bringing transparency to the allegations.

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Quote from: acroman08 on July 18, 2023, 05:03:13 PM

Quote from: CallMeJojo on July 18, 2023, 09:24:18 AM

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thanks for sharing this, Based on the images, it looks like OP lied and actually abused the bug. I'd like to know what the OP has to say about this.

Yes, the screenshot of betting history drastically changed the narrative as apparently OP indeed did that risk-free betting, the way I perceived his situation at the beginning of the case. OP was online few good hours after CallMeJojo provided the screenshot and said nothing, I'll wait for couple of days to see if he has anything to say, and if he don't, I think this case is as good as solved.

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on July 18, 2023, 06:50:50 PM

"Wife" could be anyone else though Grin

How about the third account, it's it his son or uncle?
So they all realized the site was buggy and they decided to exploit it at once?

That's what I tried to dig more [hence, the ellipsis], especially as the screenshot provided indicates there could be more accounts connected to the IP instead of just him and "his wife".

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 18, 2023, 11:48:18 AM

I am not pointing my finger to you or OP, I am trying to clarify things, for the IP shared by three users, I believe OP said that his wife also played, so probably the other one is his wife's, and the third one is... OP, can you shed us some light here? Meanwhile, CallMeJojo does your platform specifically prohibit multiple user from the same address?

"Wife" could be anyone else though Grin

How about the third account, it's it his son or uncle?
So they all realized the site was buggy and they decided to exploit it at once?

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Quote from: CallMeJojo on July 18, 2023, 09:24:18 AM

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thanks for sharing this, Based on the images, it looks like OP lied and actually abused the bug. I'd like to know what the OP has to say about this.

Quote from: holydarkness on July 18, 2023, 11:48:18 AM

Meanwhile, CallMeJojo does your platform specifically prohibit multiple user from the same address?

I've checked the "account registration" part of their ToS before, and from what I remember it only mentioned that one user can only have one account. nothing about one IP address can only have one account.

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Quote from: CallMeJojo on July 18, 2023, 09:24:18 AM

https://ibb.co/nfgRvQF

https://ibb.co/C84NsLJ

https://ibb.co/TL8xR2K

https://ibb.co/ZgxLzhb

We would like to put this thread to rest and report butternuts25 as a Scammer.

Throughout all his posts on Bitcointalk, he has mentioned he has bet $1 spins (contrary to the evidence shown above) and not received his withdrawal. We have paid out over $600 in profit to him, and as you can see he has opened multiple accounts with our casino in an attempt to keep exploiting the bug.

His accusation is entirely unmerited. We pride ourselves on being on the leading edge of decentralized on-chain betting and fairness.

We appreciate the support and trust of our community members, and we will continue to work diligently to provide an exceptional betting experience for all.

I am not pointing my finger to you or OP, I am trying to clarify things, for the IP shared by three users, I believe OP said that his wife also played, so probably the other one is his wife's, and the third one is... OP, can you shed us some light here? Meanwhile, CallMeJojo does your platform specifically prohibit multiple user from the same address?

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 07, 2023, 12:47:36 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on July 07, 2023, 07:30:16 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on July 07, 2023, 06:01:11 AM

I don't understand how exactly the bug works. According to OP, at least from what I get it, if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, he'll lose $1.98, but according to HousebetsIo, he played risk free, which I perceived as if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, his balance will still be exacatly the same? Which one is it?

I think this should be clarified as it brought quite a magnitude to the case.

the bug was the gambler's account will be credited $0.02 when they lose a bet. From what I understand it doesn't matter how much the bet is, as long as the bet it is a loss, a $0.02 will be credited to the gambler's account. that's why the OP said when he bets $2 he will lose $1.98 because the $0.02 will be credited to his account because of the bug. also, according to the OP, the bug only works if you are betting using BTC.

as for the Housebet.io claiming the OP is betting "risk-free", Housebet.io claimed on their ANN thread that the OP is betting with $0.01, so when OP's bet ends up losing, his account will be credited $0.02 because of the bug.

So in other words, no matter what the outcome of the bet OP played, he'll be credited with some BTC? To OP and to HousebetsIo, can you both confirm this?

Further, to HousebetsIo, if you can provide the screenshot of OP's betting history containing this allegation of cheating [suppose it didn't perceived as a breach of privacy and/or both you and OP are comfortable sharing it] it'll work good to completing our puzzle.

Nonetheless, if what's above is true, that OP played a game where he'll never lose funds, be it he got a losing or winning bet, then I think the best outcome for both party right now is for HouseBets to return OP's deposit [without the winning] and both of you take separate way. Sounds unfair for the platform, some might argue, but I'll say it's a well deserved path as OP indirectly point out a bug. While those who think it's unfair for the OP because OP gain some "honest" amount through his winning, well, OP cheated too, so the middle way is to remove everything altogether

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https://ibb.co/ZgxLzhb

We would like to put this thread to rest and report butternuts25 as a Scammer.

Throughout all his posts on Bitcointalk, he has mentioned he has bet $1 spins (contrary to the evidence shown above) and not received his withdrawal. We have paid out over $600 in profit to him, and as you can see he has opened multiple accounts with our casino in an attempt to keep exploiting the bug.

His accusation is entirely unmerited. We pride ourselves on being on the leading edge of decentralized on-chain betting and fairness.

We appreciate the support and trust of our community members, and we will continue to work diligently to provide an exceptional betting experience for all.

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Quote from: butternuts25 on July 07, 2023, 01:16:20 PM

My bets were between $1-$2 US. Same is also true for my wife. I consent to displaying any info they need to post, preferably a link to the site so we can verify authenticity. Dont understand why my integrity is in question. I've repeated this over and over. I didn't exploit a bug, I had no malicious intent. Me and my wife are being banned from a online casino because we didn't report a bug... housebets.io has a good whitepaper and a solid protocol. I am content with the fact that I more than likely will not get what me and my wife have in our accounts. The way that housebets.io justified banning people is wrong and I'd like to see some accountability. I tried explaining this to the mod in telegram (porchy-CEO) and I was promptly muted and banned from the telegram once users chimed in and agreed I was right.

HousebetsIo, as OP is locked from his account and can't provide any screenshot, you got his permission as stated above to post his betting history and other info you deemed necessary for this case on both of your and his behalf. I urged you to provide this so the community can get a better understanding of the magnitude of the bug brought to you and how much OP "stole" from you, as well as providing proof that OP ever [or never] bet $0.01 or $0.02 thus, the risk-free allegation.

For OP, my apology, I misunderstood what acroman08 tried to explain to me before. I understand correctly now that whatever outcome you have on your --and your wife's-- bet, you'll still get some "rakeback"? In other words, its either you got a winning and doubled your money, or you got your initial bet "refunded" by $0.02. So suppose you have $80.00 and wagered $2.00 [in btc], and you lose, your remaining balance will be $78.02 instead of $78.00, while if you win, your balance will be $82.00?

Pure curiosity and not necessarily related to the topic above, can we actually bet $0.01-0.02?

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My bets were between $1-$2 US. Same is also true for my wife. I consent to displaying any info they need to post, preferably a link to the site so we can verify authenticity. Dont understand why my integrity is in question. I've repeated this over and over. I didn't exploit a bug, I had no malicious intent. Me and my wife are being banned from a online casino because we didn't report a bug... housebets.io has a good whitepaper and a solid protocol. I am content with the fact that I more than likely will not get what me and my wife have in our accounts. The way that housebets.io justified banning people is wrong and I'd like to see some accountability. I tried explaining this to the mod in telegram (porchy-CEO) and I was promptly muted and banned from the telegram once users chimed in and agreed I was right.

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Quote from: acroman08 on July 07, 2023, 07:30:16 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on July 07, 2023, 06:01:11 AM

I don't understand how exactly the bug works. According to OP, at least from what I get it, if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, he'll lose $1.98, but according to HousebetsIo, he played risk free, which I perceived as if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, his balance will still be exacatly the same? Which one is it?

I think this should be clarified as it brought quite a magnitude to the case.

the bug was the gambler's account will be credited $0.02 when they lose a bet. From what I understand it doesn't matter how much the bet is, as long as the bet it is a loss, a $0.02 will be credited to the gambler's account. that's why the OP said when he bets $2 he will lose $1.98 because the $0.02 will be credited to his account because of the bug. also, according to the OP, the bug only works if you are betting using BTC.

as for the Housebet.io claiming the OP is betting "risk-free", Housebet.io claimed on their ANN thread that the OP is betting with $0.01, so when OP's bet ends up losing, his account will be credited $0.02 because of the bug.

So in other words, no matter what the outcome of the bet OP played, he'll be credited with some BTC? To OP and to HousebetsIo, can you both confirm this?

Further, to HousebetsIo, if you can provide the screenshot of OP's betting history containing this allegation of cheating [suppose it didn't perceived as a breach of privacy and/or both you and OP are comfortable sharing it] it'll work good to completing our puzzle.

Nonetheless, if what's above is true, that OP played a game where he'll never lose funds, be it he got a losing or winning bet, then I think the best outcome for both party right now is for HouseBets to return OP's deposit [without the winning] and both of you take separate way. Sounds unfair for the platform, some might argue, but I'll say it's a well deserved path as OP indirectly point out a bug. While those who think it's unfair for the OP because OP gain some "honest" amount through his winning, well, OP cheated too, so the middle way is to remove everything altogether

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Quote from: holydarkness on July 07, 2023, 06:01:11 AM

I don't understand how exactly the bug works. According to OP, at least from what I get it, if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, he'll lose $1.98, but according to HousebetsIo, he played risk free, which I perceived as if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, his balance will still be exacatly the same? Which one is it?

I think this should be clarified as it brought quite a magnitude to the case.

the bug was the gambler's account will be credited $0.02 when they lose a bet. From what I understand it doesn't matter how much the bet is, as long as the bet it is a loss, a $0.02 will be credited to the gambler's account. that's why the OP said when he bets $2 he will lose $1.98 because the $0.02 will be credited to his account because of the bug. also, according to the OP, the bug only works if you are betting using BTC.

as for the Housebet.io claiming the OP is betting "risk-free", Housebet.io claimed on their ANN thread that the OP is betting with $0.01, so when OP's bet ends up losing, his account will be credited $0.02 because of the bug.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on July 06, 2023, 05:23:44 PM

Let's ignore the above, why didn't you report the bug to housebets.io? Didn't you think it is risky to continue playing on a casino that has such a critical bug?

Dude, the bug helps him get back 0.02 USD when OP is losing, it's not a lot of money but considering that you can exploit it to your benefit, why report it? We all know why OP haven't reported the bug, don't be naive. Also, it's a critical bug only to the casino not to the player so OP will continue to play.

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Quote from: butternuts25 on June 20, 2023, 03:48:28 PM

[...] Just so were clear I was making bets in between $1.00-$2.00 US. That means if I bet $2.00 and I won nothing im only losing $1.98, and because of this bug which I will admit I did notice and think it was peculiar, but in no way did that $0.02 change the outcome of what was going to happen. [...]

Quote from: HousebetsIo on July 05, 2023, 07:19:53 AM

You were not scammed. You took advantage of a bug that paid out winning bets and when you lost, returned the entire stake. As we have repeatedly stated, you withdrew profit from this exploit and we are disappointed you didn't contact the community to report this scam and get a bounty, which we gave to our more honest community members who reported it. I will flag this thread to Bitcointalk, as you accusations of being a scam are entirely unjustified.

I don't understand how exactly the bug works. According to OP, at least from what I get it, if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, he'll lose $1.98, but according to HousebetsIo, he played risk free, which I perceived as if he bet $2.00 and lose the bet, his balance will still be exacatly the same? Which one is it?

I think this should be clarified as it brought quite a magnitude to the case.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on July 06, 2023, 05:23:44 PM

Let's ignore the above, why didn't you report the bug to housebets.io? Didn't you think it is risky to continue playing on a casino that has such a critical bug?

This. He could have avoided all the trouble if it was announced to the casino team, but didn't.
Now about the bug, it is true that OP abused and took advantage the bug which is against the TOS of every services in the internet and subject for ban/being restricted.

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When I noticed the bug, I attributed it to the price swings of bitcoin. Honestly a very hard bug to spot. Now ill admit I'm no novice when it comes to crypto. But when it comes to computer technology and website building and design I know nothing. Fear of being made fun of I suppose. I really try to mind my own business and stay out of the way. This bug didn't seem so critical to me. Even if I managed to spin a 1000 times it would only be between $10-$20 credit after wagering between $1k-2k.

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Quote from: HousebetsIo on July 05, 2023, 07:19:53 AM

You were not scammed. You took advantage of a bug that paid out winning bets and when you lost, returned the entire stake. As we have repeatedly stated, you withdrew profit from this exploit and we are disappointed you didn't contact the community to report this scam and get a bounty, which we gave to our more honest community members who reported it. I will flag this thread to Bitcointalk, as you accusations of being a scam are entirely unjustified.

I really do not think flagging this thread would make them delete this thread mate. Here is an accusation against your casino which op provided some proof and it is factual and what is expected of you to do is to present your own evidence too to counter OP accusations.

Did I hear you mentioning bug? If there was actually a bug then your casino should have actually stopped the games or possibly shot down to avoid losses. It is not the fault of gamblers that your casino experienced such. What if it happens that gamblers made huge losses then would your casino be thinking of making a refund back to he gamblers?

How then is it OPs fault that you suffered a bug?

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Quote from: butternuts25 on July 05, 2023, 12:44:41 PM

All the info I've provided are facts and you can check the images above.

Thank you for providing all these facts, but to be honest with you, it doesn't seem that those facts a work n your favour!
You said you were of the bug and you need multiple accounts to exploit it, is your wife your only relative who has a account (which was banned too) on housebets.io?
Let's ignore the above, why didn't you report the bug to housebets.io? Didn't you think it is risky to continue playing on a casino that has such a critical bug?

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Honestly, the OP admitted that he noticed the bug:

Quote from: butternuts25 on June 20, 2023, 03:48:28 PM

and because of this bug which I will admit I did notice and think it was peculiar, but in no way did that $0.02 change the outcome of what was going to happen.

but despite that, he continued to play, and this is considered a violation from the casino's point of view, especially since he made the withdrawal afterwards before solving this error in the system and before freezing his account.

But at the same time freezing his entire account and preventing him from accessing his balance is not the proper solution to this problem, to solve the problem honestly Housebets.io has to calculate the profits the OP got through this bug and deduct it from his balance and then allow him to withdraw the remaining balance if he wants.

It is normal to freeze the account temporarily until a solution to the problem is reached, but freezing the account completely without reaching a solution is unacceptable.

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