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Topic: How a select few users of the forum finessed you all (NSFW) (Read 558 times)

copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2504
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A bit rich coming from you, that fact that you've given or gotten merits from every DT member that has given you positive feedback points back to the circle-jerk that I have been speaking of. You merit each other, and you leave each other positive trust. That's all you do.
Correlation is not causation. Don't fall into the trap of pulling in details so that you can satisfy a confirmation bias.

I would also recommend users to cease the alt accusations without any basis (apart from reaching with circumstantial evidence). What eventually happens is that the accusations coalesce into a false reality and we have preconditioned beliefs before even reading the user's replies.
There is a shit-ton of virtue signalling that doesn't get merit, bear in mind. There are plenty of examples of those shitty threads in Meta about merit or some "helpful" content.
legendary
Activity: 3528
Merit: 9525
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So it’s highly likely that the mass influx of ‘Newbies’ posting in Meta are all our favourite troll CH?

What a sad, pathetic life that guy must lead.

I don’t understand why if he hates it so much here he doesn’t just go & post somewhere else. I’m sure reddit would have him.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
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Not that I know of. He's not currently banned and if he was it must have been a short one.

Wouldn't be the first example of someone faking their ban... probably for similar reasons too.
Is CH faking a ban? Is the basis for this that he isn’t posting? Or is the basis that you want to smear him?

Is your inability to read three posts back the basis for your shitposting?
copper member
Activity: 2870
Merit: 2298
Not that I know of. He's not currently banned and if he was it must have been a short one.

Wouldn't be the first example of someone faking their ban... probably for similar reasons too.
Is CH faking a ban? Is the basis for this that he isn’t posting? Or is the basis that you want to smear him?
legendary
Activity: 3654
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Not that I know of. He's not currently banned and if he was it must have been a short one.

Wouldn't be the first example of someone faking their ban... probably for similar reasons too.
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Activity: 3794
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I believe cryptohunter already detailed this in full here. He correctly stated that the subjective and practically meaningless merit scores and sources should be far removed from the other control system trust. It is quite terrible how they had him banned for posting the truth in response generally to their own viscous attacks upon him, that consisted of nothing other than lies and fabrications, then traced through his post history to find some 1 word posts, to provide excuse to finally get rid of him.


Is really CH is banned in this forum?
CH looks active today but not posted for last 4 days. BPIP do not mention CH as banned but no post by CH in last 4 days look surprising.

Not that I know of. He's not currently banned and if he was it must have been a short one.
sr. member
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I believe cryptohunter already detailed this in full here. He correctly stated that the subjective and practically meaningless merit scores and sources should be far removed from the other control system trust. It is quite terrible how they had him banned for posting the truth in response generally to their own viscous attacks upon him, that consisted of nothing other than lies and fabrications, then traced through his post history to find some 1 word posts, to provide excuse to finally get rid of him.


Is really CH is banned in this forum?
CH looks active today but not posted for last 4 days. BPIP do not mention CH as banned but no post by CH in last 4 days look surprising.
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 3041
Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
It is quite terrible how they had him banned
How do you know he's banned? There's nothing in the modlog, so it must only be a temp ban, which isn't public. As far as anyone other than himself knows, he's just on vacation again, no doubt complaining that his drinks don't have enough umbrellas in them or something.
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Consider this scenario.

A few users, powerful users use their influence to change the forum dynamics.
We see now where we have a merit system where it is set up that these powerful members decide who decides to rank up, particularly considering that these powerful users are awarded merit points out of thin air for nothing. I think you call them merit sources. Besides from merit sources, these powerful members constantly virtue signal by meriting each other for every half-arsed thread posted in  meta (or anywhere where they see each other post really). We now have a forum where only these powerful people and people who they like rank up.

When we take a look at high-ranked accounts that earn money from signature campaigns, there is a downward trend. The fact is that owners of these accounts sometimes leave the forum, or even die. Accounts may get banned or given negative trust for some reason. What happens here is that you have less high ranking members every day because people are leaving and because of how the powerful members I mentioned before operate, very few members rank up to take the positions of those gone.

The trouble starts when we realize that those high-ranked accounts are used to enter signature campaigns to make money.

To look everything over, these powerful members control the ranking system. A system where they themselves and people who they like rank up. Other high ranking members are eliminated from the scenario for reasons mentioned above.At the end of the day, we have only these high powerful members and their friends in the higher ranks of the forum. What happens is that only this select group are able to make any sort of money from their accounts.
It gets worse, these powerful members also run the campaigns. They are paid to pay their friends and people who they like. Because of the ever declining number of high ranking accounts, these campaigns in time will pay more as demand stays the same but supply decreases. This leads to campaign managers and campaign participants (Powerful members and people they like fall into both categories) being paid more.

Now all we see are people virtue signalling these powerful members (basically sucking their dicks digitally) to get on their good side and maybe have some merit sent their way.

Signatures should be banned on the forum, if companies are serious then they can bid for banner spots on the forum. This, unlike signature campaigns, will directly contribute to the development of the forum.

This seems to be a rather accurate assessment of the way things operate here. Although it is not the full picture. It is far more serious than this initial post recognizes.

I believe cryptohunter already detailed this in full here. He correctly stated that the subjective and practically meaningless merit scores and sources should be far removed from the other control system trust. It is quite terrible how they had him banned for posting the truth in response generally to their own viscous attacks upon him, that consisted of nothing other than lies and fabrications, then traced through his post history to find some 1 word posts, to provide excuse to finally get rid of him.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48852692

The initial post here clearly realizes the financial motivation to abuse the systems but does not take account of the far more serious implications for free speech. This should be the primary focus. The sig dollars are of secondary importance to ensuring a person can give their honest opinion without fearing their account is robbed of its credibility, and cast as a scammer.

I salute the OP here for continuing to voice their legitimate concerns regarding the ill conceived and broken "systems of control" that reward the abusers financially to crush free speech.




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If you don't like signature campaigns or think they're inherently unfair for whatever reason, you're free to not join one.  In fact, you're free to find another forum if you don't like this one. 

Actually when OP mentioned he hated signatures, he could have disabled them from his profile settings.

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legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2270
We have to feed our families and to do this we have to stimulate virtual reproductive organs and lick virtual asses of powerful members. I hope you understand.
A bit rich coming from you, that fact that you've given or gotten merits from every DT member that has given you positive feedback points back to the circle-jerk that I have been speaking of. You merit each other, and you leave each other positive trust. That's all you do.
This is getting better each day. I want to be part of Jet Cash's circle too.

newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 23
Why aren't you posting from your main account?
It looks like cryptohunter's alt, I'll stop talking to his user.

- Long posts : ✔
- Complaining about DT : ✔
- Obsessed with having discussions/arguements: ✔

It's definitely a possibility.
Again, literally no clue who that individual is.
All this proves is that you haven't been reading. Sure, there are massive issues here with the trust system but the biggest issue here is the merit system.
The trust system has been reduced to shambles and cannot be saved. Nobody takes it serious. It's a lost cause.



As for the users who mentioned that they go out of their way to find good posts and award merit: Commendations to you guys but as hard as you guys try, you'll never be able to review a sizeable amount of the thousands of posts posted here daily.

It's quite funny that you all know something is wrong with the state of spammers here on the forum (there is one in this thread asking about boobs). You guys will lobby for tighter signature restrictions, new systems like the merit system but you guys will never accept that the spam will only go away if we end these campaigns for good. I wonder why...
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 3041
Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
Sorry for bothering, but why this topic has (NSFW) tag ?
Not safe for work I suppose that is. But I see no tits pictures here  Angry
I assume it was for the dick-sucking reference. Personally, I preferred the arse-licking; it was more gender-inclusive. Grin
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1989
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Why aren't you posting from your main account?
It looks like cryptohunter's alt, I'll stop talking to his user.

- Long posts : ✔
- Complaining about DT : ✔
- Obsessed with having discussions/arguements: ✔

It's definitely a possibility.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18509
Another claim that there are loads of great posts going unmerited, but with no proof to substantiate that claim. I, and many others, spend a good deal of time reading absolute trash while looking for good posts to award merit. If you would like to address both your perceived injustice whilst saving us all some time, simply provide some links to all these great posts (here or in LoyceV's thread which he has linked to above). I'll be more than happy to award them merit.
legendary
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A system where they themselves and people who they like rank up. Other high ranking members are eliminated from the scenario for reasons mentioned above.At the end of the day, we have only these high powerful members and their friends in the higher ranks of the forum.
I can only really speak for myself, but take a look at the merits I've given out.  I'm a merit source and happen to be in a signature campaign, btw.  I take my position as a source fairly seriously, and I do make an effort to help lower-ranked members earn enough merits to rank up.  And let me tell you, it is no easy task, because most newbies nowadays come here only to make money, and they tend to be lazy posters with nothing interesting to say.  Before you say that's too broad a generalization, let me mention that I've learned this fact through 4 years of experience on bitcointalk--4 years of reading constant shitposting by newbies who can't write English and couldn't compose a coherent sentence to save their life.

I'm not trying to hold anyone back except the garbage posters, but that's a good thing.  That's why Theymos created the merit system in the first place.

If you don't like signature campaigns or think they're inherently unfair for whatever reason, you're free to not join one.  In fact, you're free to find another forum if you don't like this one. 

It looks like cryptohunter's alt, I'll stop talking to his user.
Could be.  He certainly has the cryptohunter-type prolix down pat.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1435
Sorry for bothering, but why this topic has (NSFW) tag ?
Not safe for work I suppose that is. But I see no tits pictures here  Angry
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 23
Naturally, when they can't put an argument together, they run away claiming that I'm an alt of someone who I don't even know.
legendary
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Why aren't you posting from your main account?
It looks like cryptohunter's alt, I'll stop talking to this user.
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 23
If you had spent some time to read the post then you'd realize that I don't care for receiving merits, I want that system gone.
Then come up with a better system to reduce spam. From what I've read, removing signatures would be a last resort.
For your information: I don't send Merit to friends, and I don't have 867 "friends" on this forum. I send Merit to posts that aren't spam, as that's what this forum needs. Note that my Merit is not an endorsement, I don't agree with most of what you're saying.

The DT system isn't perfect, but you too can do your part:
I encourage anyone to create their own custom Trust list!

How are people who spend only a couple of hours on here on a weekly basis going to construct a trust list from scratch? Building your own trust list is reasonable only for those who spend countless hours here, normal/conservative don't absorb enough information to construct a trust list that would be reliable in any sense.

handing out 10 merits for posts like this.
I'm just leaving this here:
If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical.

~snip~

Do I have to spell everything out? If you read carefully, you'll realize that my argument is that that post doesn't deserve to be merited at all. My quarrel is not with the amount that was merited.
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