Topic: How About a Temporary Amendment for a 3rd Term for Trump? (Read 239 times)

Not by himself, it is thanks to the electoral base and support that is fully rallied around his personality - like many authoritarians out there, it is a cult of the leader, but also, and this is important, about the donors. The donors do not care if the "immigrants eat dogs" because they will not ever meet one of them, they do not care about gay, transgender nor anything else... but they do care about money. They will keep pouring money on Trump as long as he promises a thin state - low cost (including Health Services) and as less tax as possible. All the rest is irrelevant to them.

They all see in Trump a chance to capture the vote of the people that would naturally want free public healthcare, better schools, more rights for minorities and more corporation taxes by selling some weird idea of liberty - while the fact is that it was inflation the main mobilisation of these social groups. If someone falls out of favour with Trump... money dries.

I do not think Zelensky is devastated just yet, he like most people need to figure out what is going to be the cost of having Trump as president, but notice that Biden could have provided decisive aid, the type that would have ended the war in good terms for Ukraine and he did not. What is the point of keep sending Ukrainians to the front if there is no Victory plan?

I am not a blind follower of idols, I judge on results. I think Trump will force concessions but it is about what is that level of concessions. Is Ukraine going to be a viable country, able to join the EU? Is it going to get any guarantee whatsoever that something like the Ruzzian invasion would not happen again? The first is needed for peace, the second is needed for a lasting peace.

Zelensky suggested that US troops in Europe could be replaced by Ukrainian contingents so the cost of keeping the Ukrainian army is passed to EU / Europe. I think the idea is quite ridiculous, but there is not objection from my side to have EU paying Zelensky to have a good sized and modern military in Ukraine.

Ukraine is unlikely to turn against Europe, as that would probably give Ruzzia yet another opportunity to take the country and at the same time would benefit from EU funding and goodwill. Also, it would create an army that is fed from Europe and less likely to accept the installation of a Putin's puppet in the government.

An opposition to any party in control is very important.

It would be a bad thing for democrats to have complete control and likewise a bad thing for republicans to have complete control.
An opposition tries to keep the balance and accountability.

If you want a glimpse of the world when opposition and accountability is remove, take a look (but not limited to) eastwards.

Well it will be a great idea considering that the senate and the Supreme Court has more of the republicans on like before,so amending the constitution to pervert it wouldn’t be a problem. But I know the Democrats will actually want to fight back from allowing it come to fruition.

I was not talking about suchmoon, actually. I meant OP who I don't know whether he was trying to be ironic or not. But I was not trying to be ironic, this rather a serious matter because due to the unprecedented victory of Trump, I am afraid people and politicians who harbor very extreme ideas could feel too cocky on what they could be able to pull off with all this  seemly unchecked power the presidency of the United States have gotten (thanks to the decision of the SCOTUS).

Also, I disagree. Trump has not completely taken over the Republican party because he is not capable of such a thing by himself, he has taken over the people who vote for the Republican party so the party is dancing under his music and pace, that is true, but within the Republican party there are actual economists who are intelligent enough not to allow Trump to go away with that crazy tariff plan hr has talked about, within the Republican party there are also doctors who would not allow Kennedy Jr to make more difficult for people to access to vaccines, and so on. One needs to remember politicians pretty much are big players within stock markets and they will not burn their personal fortune for the sake of pleasing Trump with his crazy enomical plans in order to try to get money off China.

By the way, Zelensky must be completely devastated by all this stuff going on.

It's true that when people are happy with a leader, the next generation won't necessarily be so happy. That's why the US was set up to have the people, each person, be their own leader. But the people have allowed themselves to be focused onto the presidency, almost like the President is their king.

Time to get back to each person being his own king. Trump talks like he is in favor of that. For example. The repeal of Roe v Wade was done to send the legislation back to the people in each of their States. It was done to reduce the power of the Federal 'kingship' over the people.

But when you look at what people want, "We want a king who will do it our way." Few want to take responsibility for their lives. Most want a good life without having to make it that way for themselves. "Let the king do it for us."

does it mean there can't be a better leader than he is? Believe it or leave it, trump is not a saint. His vision aligns with yours and that's the reason why you're considering a third term even when he hasn't done a thing in his second term in office.

The Democrats are eagerly waiting for this tenure to come to an end so they can project someone who hopefully will bring them back into the Whitehouse. No matter how good a person his, there's always a time to step down and give the next generation the previledge of leading. At the time of the next election, age would have run out of Trump's side and it's unlikely he's going to consider a change of the constitution just so he can be reelected for the third time. That will be a selfish and desperate plan .

The thing that you are missing is that over the decades the Dems and Reps have often traded philosophies.
The point is what is good for America, not what is good for the Dems or Reps.

I think  he is being ironic or you are being ironic. suchmoon is not fond of Trump or is very good at hiding it. 

The Republican party does not control Trump at all. Trump has taken the Republican party, changed it into some short of autocratic monster and then used it as a platform to win his victory. In other words, the Republican Party has won nothing in this election. They are the band and Trump the singer, owner, producer and distributor of the music.

Honestly, I had not expected someone who is fond of Trump to start suggesting to prolong his seat in power way beyond his secomd term, before he actually took the seat.
One must wonder how far the Republican party controlled by him would be willing to go for power now they have proven Trump to be a viable source of it. I am sure the could be some in the caucus who would be willing to prolong his seat in the oval office, but it would represent an unprecedented red line on the floor. We are already living unprecedented times,.sure but it would still sound weird to me and out of place people in the Senate and the house of representatives to actively go against democracy in such a blatant way.

Anyways, perhaps we are getting more and more desensitized to all this non-sense to the point it would seems not to matter anyone.

The U.S presidency is tenured based and I don't think parliament would want to amend the constitution to entertain that, even though we want Donald Trump to stay much longer, it will just be a tall dream that will not be achievable, let's just pray and hope he uses this one term to achieve what he has promised. Except the people will push the parliament for a constitutional review in a bid to entertain a third term bid, after all, the republicans are the majority in the parliament now, they can use their numbers to accelerate a speedy delivery of such bill.

Great Idea, in as much as I personally love Donald Trump,  I would like to see him first fulfill his campaign promises first and even do way more better than expectations,  then this Idea will fit in. This constitutional requirement that prevents leaders from running for any office for two term could be revisit if our leaders are actually doing an incredible job they're voted for.

Taking you for instance, I have seen a situation where a Governor in my country did increadibly well for his people during his two tenure in office that if not for the constitutional requirement for him to step down after two terms, people would have loved him go back for the third time, But the issue is that, if such thing is in place, our leaders will tend to abuse this privilege of returning a good leader back to office the third time.

I know most people are not aware of this tightly-held secret, but Trump already had a four-year tenure as president. So there is no reason to wait, everyone has seen how he did, most people liked it apparently, others will come around one ICE starts rounding them up, let's just go ahead with coronation.

Not sure about that, but what we are sure of is that America's leadership landscape will nolonger be what it used to be. He
will rule more like a King and someone from his family will succeed him

Trump has the personality of a king and maybe he would accept the title ( he has not hidden his admiration for Putin and Xi). Many people like me wouldn't mind if he could make wars cease globally, fight and end corruption and end global inequalities and poverty. Let's see how his four-year tenure will affect global peace and prosperity before we start selling the idea  .

What made Trump such a fresh breath of air is that he wasn't a politician and he was much more uninhibited, sharing a few clearly controversial positions, as a result not caring to bother with political correctness. How about instead of finding a way to re-elect Trump a third term, find a way to elect someone other than a career politician next time who will share controversial opinions?

Surely there are plenty of people who are not politicians but successful in other ways and willing to run for office.

The focus on personality continues to be a bad thing. The focus should be on policy. This is yet another reason we have a collapsing middle class... where has been the focus on specific economic policy especially in regards to the gold standard which started the end of the middle class with the end of the gold standard.

Too complicated. He could just run for VP in 2028 and have the "P" resign after election, or fall out of a window in Moscow or whatever.

Constitutionally questionable but he has the SC in the bag so it would work.

Great fun isn't it, smashing down all those nasty frameworks, scaffolding and safety nets... and God, those ugly life rafts cluttering up the decks will have to go.

... until the wheels fall off, and the penny finally drops why they was put there in the first place.
To protect you.

Then it's not so fun anymore, but by then it's too late.

In the Roman Republic, there was a distaste for Kings. Rome got rid of them in the very early stages of their nation and the term King could only be used as an insult or bad word.

However, when needed, Romans who wanted to be Kings in anything but in name, simply called themselves "Princeps" or "Principal Citizen". Since Trump controls the senate, the SCOUTS and the Presidency... well, what need is there to make him King Princeps? Nothing.


You have little experience of life. Perhaps you have never done any meaningful travel outside your country... or town.

Let me ask you a question: You give Trump dictator powers (which by the way could actually be legally granted in the Roman Republic, one of the most famous being Sila). He does not have to answer of any crime while in office, can order executions, use the army and do legislative changes at will.

And then, it does not go to plan... he fails. After your initial high, you start noticing that things COULD get worse and they ARE getting worse (whatever that means for you). What do you do?

I can tell you how the Sila history ended. He killed literaly any oposition, left a bunch of useless in the Senate and made sure the generals were only those that suported him. Then he retired to an Island to openly live as a gay party animal, which he always was.

Problem... Trump is not gay enough.

3 options for this:

1) Repeal the 22nd Amendment.  Constitutional amendments are almost impossible.  Unless Trump makes every American a millionaire in the next 3 years, I don't see enough support for this.

2) Make Trump Speaker of the House.  Here's how this would work: Elect a Trump-friendly Republican in 2028, have a GOP House Representative resign from a state which a Republican governor can appoint a replacement, appoint Trump, elect him Speaker of the House, have the President and Vice President resign, Trump becomes president for a 3rd term.

3) Defy the constitution and plow ahead.  It seems the SCOTUS has said the courts have no power to stop a rogue executive, and that it would be up to congress to stop him, which would require a majority, potentially even 67 votes in the senate to convict and remove him.  67 votes would be hard to muster.

I wouldn't really care if he tries.  The system is broken and they know it.  I'm ready for Orange Caesar to end the Republic.  It can't be any worse than it is already.

The only way people want a king is the way a wife wants her husband: "Honey, you can wear the pants in the family, as long as you do it my way."