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August 20, 2015, 04:30:41 AM
#23
How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

  

Like these guys:  https://blockstream.com/team/ ?

Let have a broader look at all the bitcoin "expert" to see where the problem lies , ok? :

Developer EmployerIn favor of
Gavin Andresen MIT8mb+
Mike HearnGoogle, now Vinumeris8mb+
Meni RosenfeldIsraeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoiltentative 8mb+
Jeff GarzikBitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc. 2mb+
Peter ToddViacoin et al.1mb
Luke-JRSubcontracted by Blockstream1mb
Adam BackBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Matt CoralloBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
GmaxwellBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Peter WuilleBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)Blockstream Co-Founder1mb
laanwj MIT 1mb




See any pattern? Remember Blockstream got tens of millions from investors. VCs dont just invest to have a fair game with competitors, they invest because they want to jump ahead of the game.


Take away the Blockstream crew and you still have an undecided split. Plus, some questionable experts on that list and others not even listed.

I'm not gonna argue about that but this list include all the people that this forum consider "consensus network" (5 person from the list)

That in itself is a centralized issue but everyone ignore it.



Sure, one cannot but wonder if 5 developers have personal motivation for not wanting larger blocks but....

Why did Gavin and Mike decide to bring up the block size "issue" now? (which isn't an issue as we have 0.4 - 0.5 mb blocks)
Since they knew that their co-workers on Bitcoin have handled it with the use of Blockstream and there is NO immediate need for larger block sizes anyway,
doesn't it seem a bit odd, or convienient if I may say?

If I was to attempt to take over then that is exactly what I would do and blame the other devs for having personal motivation.
There is no immediate need for larger blocks, and since it would have been handled by Blockstream, then what is the deal with Gavin and Mike?
The fact that they have blacklisting code doesn't make them very credible to me, and of course the way they are attempting to take over.

Personally, I do not agree that ANY member of the core team should be in the core dev team if they have personal gain by doing or not doing something.
That includes both sides of this circus we are seeing lately.

And to be honest I agree with the OP.
It is time the community stepped up and removed them from their "thrones" because their are not working for the good of Bitcoin and the community anymore.
 
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 02:05:09 AM
#22
Fuck Mike and Gavin and fuck the core-team too.
We need a third and fourth devteam to push different forks on us. Not enough dev competition.

Community should start pushing their own softwares and not use any of that crap these puppets try to push on us.

None of these assholes has any say if nobody listens.

Very angry my friend. You don't need nor the one and nor the other. But if the others in a certain point disappointed you what can be made? The solutions aren't easy to find and the key is to talk and not to complain. The collaboration can solve everything and not the war. So it will be better to put all the people in a round table and force them to hear each other. Then to decide in the best of the all.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 01:52:57 AM
#21
The development is about much more than just this block size debate.. Security patches are also a major thing, as well as any other improvements to the wallet and network.

If you can do all that, please go a head and code a better proposition for a fork.
donator
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August 20, 2015, 01:51:27 AM
#20
There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role.

well the ones that need incentives arent the ones you want for this kinda project  Cool

Yes, inheriting a second hand open source project and cleaning up the mess in a contentious environment requires a special type of soft skill that many lack.
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August 20, 2015, 01:47:30 AM
#19
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 01:47:17 AM
#18
what about proposing something better if you really want to say fuck that fuck this?, the point is that there isn't something better there is no good alternative to increase the block size, and blockstream isn't one of these for sure
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August 20, 2015, 01:44:27 AM
#17
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 01:21:49 AM
#16
Fuck Mike and Gavin and fuck the core-team too.
We need a third and fourth devteam to push different forks on us. Not enough dev competition.

Community should start pushing their own softwares and not use any of that crap these puppets try to push on us.

None of these assholes has any say if nobody listens.

how about google Group comunity ?
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August 20, 2015, 01:20:10 AM
#15
How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

  

Like these guys:  https://blockstream.com/team/ ?

Let have a broader look at all the bitcoin "expert" to see where the problem lies , ok? :

Developer EmployerIn favor of
Gavin Andresen MIT8mb+
Mike HearnGoogle, now Vinumeris8mb+
Meni RosenfeldIsraeli Bitcoin Association, Bitcoiltentative 8mb+
Jeff GarzikBitpay, now Dunvegan Space Systems, Inc. 2mb+
Peter ToddViacoin et al.1mb
Luke-JRSubcontracted by Blockstream1mb
Adam BackBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Matt CoralloBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
GmaxwellBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Peter WuilleBlockstream Co-Founder1mb
Mark Friedenbach(Maaku7)Blockstream Co-Founder1mb
laanwj MIT 1mb




See any pattern? Remember Blockstream got tens of millions from investors. VCs dont just invest to have a fair game with competitors, they invest because they want to jump ahead of the game.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 01:01:31 AM
#14
The strength of bitcoin is its size built on its strong and unbreakable codebase that has been tested numerous times. If you think that attempting to fork bitcoin's blockchain not one but several times, then I think you've misunderstood a lot of the fundamentals.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
#13
Funny how things change. Four years ago if Gavin asked for a blow job 90% of the members of this forum would pucker up. Now, half the threads on the first page are "fuck Gavin" threads.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 12:41:54 AM
#12
IF more developers come and release their own forks, Bitcoin becomes an Altcoin.



That looks like an Altcoin to me?

This has been a community takeover since Satoshi left anyway, but really, please don't change the logo or the branding. Leave the basics alone. Block size, whatever works, who cares? You think we won't have computers with more storage in the future? Yes we will, so it will not impact decentralization either way. If Bitcoin ever gets big, storage problems will likely be a thing of the distant past by then.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 12:37:23 AM
#11
How dedicated are these developers, if Gavin did not work on Bitcoin for nearly 2 years, and Mike worked on "The Lightning Project" to win a $40 000 bounty from Oliver and also developed a competing fork for Bitcoin?

We should have a dedicated team of people, who work on Bitcoin 100% of their time. Not as a little side project.
Wladimir seems to carry on at his own pace, and is willing to kick the can down the road, as he put it.

Nobody is really 100% committed to making Bitcoin work. In my opinion these guys are being paid to sabotage and slow down Bitcoin.  ^hmf^

 
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August 20, 2015, 12:25:35 AM
#10
if they have otoryti in the community, may be there are can to takeover community moreover...
so, just the society should to have desire to wont it or not, if not if for they its will make harmfull,
they can to dont want it, and thingking the way to out from this situations.
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August 20, 2015, 12:05:41 AM
#9
IF more developers come and release their own forks, Bitcoin becomes an Altcoin.
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
#8
Actually this would be horrible for price. If it ain't broke don't fix it, every time someone tries to change protocol price goes down. Bitcoin needs to be stable to grow.
It is kinda broke, look at all those dust attacks, the tx spam... Plus tx fees are going to get too big if the block size doesn't increase
I wish people would stop crying foul about this
Just get btc-XT when it's released and run it
After we hit 75% using it, a week later no one will care
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August 19, 2015, 11:51:23 PM
#7
perhaps they were still busy with their own affairs
stay patient, and do not say rude
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August 19, 2015, 11:40:04 PM
#6
Talk is cheap. Stop saying x is not good and telling others to make it better. What's stopping you?
legendary
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August 19, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
#5
There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role.

well the ones that need incentives arent the ones you want for this kinda project  Cool
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Amazix
August 19, 2015, 08:06:35 PM
#4
There is very little incentive for developers with the right skill set to jump into this role. Besides, what guarantees are there that this new group would better align with your particular needs?



Of course a large btc bagholder would need to hire the devs.
More choice is always better and increaes the chances of something worthwhile produced. With all these dev basically being muddled into one pile attacking and backpadding each other, there isn't enough competition for them.
Gavin and Mike even getting any attention shows there is a real lack of good developers otherwise people wouldn't pay so much attention to these washouts.
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