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Quote from: Kluge on January 27, 2012, 10:10:20 PM

Quote from: hazek on January 27, 2012, 06:23:02 PM

God damn Gawker at it again. Roll Eyes

http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace

No wonder SR went down in the middle of me checking out what's new.. Cheesy

Whaaaaat..... "Dbush" is a SR drug/gun seller. He writes this to Gawker staff:

""Every single citizen should have enough firepower that the government fears the citizens. The people should not fear the government," he said.

Dbush said he tries not to sell guns to people who want to kill civilians or commit crimes. But most importantly, he won't sell to people who are anti-American or anti-Israel. "I would try to keep their money if I found out this was the case. Maybe send it 2 the US Israeli lobby 2 help gain more support for Israel," he wrote."

Yeah a lot of yellow journalism in the writers articles. I believe the writer is looking at SR as his golden ticket to make a name for himself.

If you want an indication of how much of a joke this guy (and gawker as well) is just look at the article he wrote prior to the one in June on SR. The title of the article is "The Legend of Dov's Dong" and is a hard hitting journalistic piece on American Apparel's founder and CEO's dick...

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Quote from: hazek on January 27, 2012, 06:23:02 PM

God damn Gawker at it again. Roll Eyes

http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace

No wonder SR went down in the middle of me checking out what's new.. Cheesy

Whaaaaat..... "Dbush" is a SR drug/gun seller. He writes this to Gawker staff:

""Every single citizen should have enough firepower that the government fears the citizens. The people should not fear the government," he said.

Dbush said he tries not to sell guns to people who want to kill civilians or commit crimes. But most importantly, he won't sell to people who are anti-American or anti-Israel. "I would try to keep their money if I found out this was the case. Maybe send it 2 the US Israeli lobby 2 help gain more support for Israel," he wrote."

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Quote from: Seal on January 24, 2012, 11:29:44 PM

Quote from: buck92 on January 21, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

but what happened to the basic principles of Econ101?...Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

I took action on your advice and went for a visit. Pretty interesting I gotta say... some of the transactions are obviously quite large too after browsing some of the listings and recent feedback.

The one question I had to myself was: whats stopping these sellers from signing up as buyers and performing a 'fake buy' to leave themselves more positive feedback? I'm no expert on this, but wont Tor itself will prevent basic security measures other sites may use like logging account IP's etc...

There is a forum community at SR who work together to try to root out the scamers through reviews and interactions with the actual vendors who themselves visit the forums to cultivate good relations. Also it costs money to buy a vendor account on SR which further deters scamers. Then there is the feedback system where buyers rate and leave comments on their transaction.

As far as the 'fake buy' feedback you are asking about, you can tell pretty easily as you can see along with the feedback what item the buyer purchased. Most of the time what happens is the vendor creates low cost listings or cheap digital listings (downloadable pron for example) where the vendor is able to build up feedback without having to pay large amounts of commission to SR. If a vendor wanted to make a fake account with legitimate looking transactions they would have to make a large investment as SR takes a cut from everything.

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Quote from: tonto on January 27, 2012, 06:24:23 PM

As a matter of fact, is being a real-life "anonymous" mail proxy illegal? As in, I agree to open an item of mail sent to me, and then put the sealed envelope inside into the mail for the sender?

Since it's illegal for me to open an envelope not addressed to me, could I be prosecuted for passing along a sealed, addressed envelope, since I can't know what's inside? I mean, there's lots of reasons for anonymity.

I'm sure the feds would consider that mail fraud... but I wonder

Yes, post mail relays are illegal, but how would you be found out? If you were to open an evelope addressed to you, only to find another smaller evelope inside (sealed, addressed and stamped) what would you do with it?

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Quote from: hazek on January 27, 2012, 06:23:02 PM

God damn Gawker at it again. Roll Eyes

http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace

No wonder SR went down in the middle of me checking out what's new.. Cheesy

If the article on drugs being sold on SR brought some heat, wait until some senator hears about guns with scratched off serial numbers being sold anonymously on the internet...I can picture it now, someone capitol hill is sitting in front of their computer, jizzing their pants while reading this article, imagining all the grandstanding that could come out of all this.

I believe it is time to think about what would happen if SR suddenly disappeared from the web, would Bitcoin crash and burn along with it (or at least crash temporarily)? After all the June gawker article on SR was the beginning of the speculative bubble, bitcoin has been in. Since SR is the single largest entity actually using bitcoins for commerce (the rest is mostly speculative) what would happen if it disappeared? Anyone have thoughts?

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As a matter of fact, is being a real-life "anonymous" mail proxy illegal? As in, I agree to open an item of mail sent to me, and then put the sealed envelope inside into the mail for the sender?

Since it's illegal for me to open an envelope not addressed to me, could I be prosecuted for passing along a sealed, addressed envelope, since I can't know what's inside? I mean, there's lots of reasons for anonymity.

I'm sure the feds would consider that mail fraud... but I wonder

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God damn Gawker at it again. Roll Eyes

http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace

No wonder SR went down in the middle of me checking out what's new.. Cheesy

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Quote from: Sargasm on January 25, 2012, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Seal on January 24, 2012, 11:29:44 PM

Quote from: buck92 on January 21, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

but what happened to the basic principles of Econ101?...Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

I took action on your advice and went for a visit. Pretty interesting I gotta say... some of the transactions are obviously quite large too after browsing some of the listings and recent feedback.

The one question I had to myself was: whats stopping these sellers from signing up as buyers and performing a 'fake buy' to leave themselves more positive feedback? I'm no expert on this, but wont Tor itself will prevent basic security measures other sites may use like logging account IP's etc...

Or the Feds from doing so to start sniping off buyers?

Although, I'd suspect what they really want is to find the proprietor.

Except sniping a buyer makes no sense. A buyer is probably buying a few pills at a time. No real cash is exchanged. They're just receiving pills in the mail from someone anonymously. A lot of drug busts occur so they can get the small-time users and dealers to rat out the bigger users/dealers. In this instance, a buyer has no idea who the seller is.

You might gather what city that seller might be in, or close to, but that's it. If someone from New York City is making drop-off mailings from the countless public mail boxes, good luck with that. Not only that, but they have many many *other* boxes to throw it into within an hour or two drive outside NYC, not to mention stores "hey I need to mail this, can you throw it into your outgoing mail?" No one is going to risk looking inside of it in fear of tampering with mail, etc.

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Hi officer.

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Quote from: Seal on January 24, 2012, 11:29:44 PM

The one question I had to myself was: whats stopping these sellers from signing up as buyers and performing a 'fake buy' to leave themselves more positive feedback? I'm no expert on this, but wont Tor itself will prevent basic security measures other sites may use like logging account IP's etc...

They would pay for the review the SR fee, which is omething like 10% I guess. So yeah, you can buy yourself some positive feedback, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make economic sense.

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Quote from: Seal on January 24, 2012, 11:29:44 PM

Quote from: buck92 on January 21, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

but what happened to the basic principles of Econ101?...Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

I took action on your advice and went for a visit. Pretty interesting I gotta say... some of the transactions are obviously quite large too after browsing some of the listings and recent feedback.

The one question I had to myself was: whats stopping these sellers from signing up as buyers and performing a 'fake buy' to leave themselves more positive feedback? I'm no expert on this, but wont Tor itself will prevent basic security measures other sites may use like logging account IP's etc...

Or the Feds from doing so to start sniping off buyers?

Although, I'd suspect what they really want is to find the proprietor.

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Quote from: buck92 on January 21, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

but what happened to the basic principles of Econ101?...Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

I took action on your advice and went for a visit. Pretty interesting I gotta say... some of the transactions are obviously quite large too after browsing some of the listings and recent feedback.

The one question I had to myself was: whats stopping these sellers from signing up as buyers and performing a 'fake buy' to leave themselves more positive feedback? I'm no expert on this, but wont Tor itself will prevent basic security measures other sites may use like logging account IP's etc...

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Owner of SR is pretty well off from it, like ~62 bit coin payment to become a seller

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Quote from: buck92 on January 21, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

I'm sorry if SilkRoad doesn't publicly submit their stats to the world.

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It did not seem like people were very interested in my posts so I deleted them, perhaps because I am a new user? While I don't partake in SR goodies I don't want to show up in Google associated with analysis' of SR so it is for the best.

I just have to say I am quite surprised by the lack of knowledge people have in an economics message board of all places, on the single biggest market entity outside of speculation, in the Bitcoin world. I understand not everyone is for illicit drug use, but what happened to the basic principles of Econ101?...Know your market...go download tor and do some market research people.

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I've heard there are currently 250 sellers on there. I have no idea how to prove it, it was just a guess by a friend.

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Quote from: Seal on January 21, 2012, 07:17:56 PM

Care to explain to everyone the significance of velocity in economic terms?

It is the number of times an average unit of currency (in this case BTC or dollars) gets spent in a certain period of time. Basically how quickly a currency is spent, it can help infer how popular or how big an economy is.

Also this is just me thinking but I believe in terms of bitcoins, the velocity can infer how much speculation is going on at a given time since we all know speculation is currently the biggest market for BTC. Just thinking aloud someone please tell me if I am wrong.

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Quote from: nrd525 on January 20, 2012, 07:58:01 PM

20 per hour / 24 hours per day - round up to 500 purchases.

At $50 each (rough guess - could be as much as $100, and expensive items will make the mean a lot more than the median) that is $25,000/day. Or $9.1 million/year.

Now the Bitcoin money supply is currently worth roughly $53 million.

If the velocity of each BTC is 5, then you'd need $265 million/year of trading activity to sustain the economy. Obviously some people are holding on to it for speculation (very low velocity: 0-1) and others are trading it for goods and services.

Does anyone know the current velocity of the US dollar? I suspect the BTC velocity is a lot more as most people who use it to trade are converting it back into regular currency to avoid fluctuation risks.

I'd guess that Silk Road could run fine with a Bitcoin money supply of around $250,000-$1 million (gives people 10-40 days to convert into non-BTCs). Or another way to think of this is that Silk Road is backing 0.5% to 2% of the BTC economy.

Care to explain to everyone the significance of velocity in economic terms?

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Strength in numbers

Quote from: trout on January 19, 2012, 11:31:57 PM

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Quote from: antoineph on January 19, 2012, 12:57:47 PM

Do you anything about the daily volume?

You mean: "Are you the person running Silk Road?"

here, I got a simple estimate for you.
on SR front page, they have 10 most recent feedbacks.
You can check the time when they were left. just now, the last one of the 10 was left half an hour ago.

which gives a (very rough) estimate of 20 purchases per hour.

if you are interested you can collect more data, along with the average price, daily fluctuations, etc.,
but i can't be bothered.

Is feedback given on every order? Is that when funds are released to the seller?

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20 per hour / 24 hours per day - round up to 500 purchases.

At $50 each (rough guess - could be as much as $100, and expensive items will make the mean a lot more than the median) that is $25,000/day. Or $9.1 million/year.

Now the Bitcoin money supply is currently worth roughly $53 million.

If the velocity of each BTC is 5, then you'd need $265 million/year of trading activity to sustain the economy. Obviously some people are holding on to it for speculation (very low velocity: 0-1) and others are trading it for goods and services.

Does anyone know the current velocity of the US dollar? I suspect the BTC velocity is a lot more as most people who use it to trade are converting it back into regular currency to avoid fluctuation risks.

I'd guess that Silk Road could run fine with a Bitcoin money supply of around $250,000-$1 million (gives people 10-40 days to convert into non-BTCs). Or another way to think of this is that Silk Road is backing 0.5% to 2% of the BTC economy.

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