Topic: How Bitcoin Turns Wasted Energy Into Magical Internet Money (Read 257 times)
I start to believe that there is nothing impossible for Bitcoin, This amazing technology shows value even there were we don't like to look. I wonder what will happen next month regarding this kind of energy.
Oh... From the title, I was thinking energy like physical energy, utility invested into bitcoin but wasn't looking in the area of electricity and power until I read the post but then I'm thinking no energy should be estimated to have been "wasted" if without such energy, we won't get to have bitcoin. This new generational asset and investment.
You’re right though, but I used to see a lot of people complaining about the amount that is being consumed by Bitcoin mining, other cryptocurrency mining are not like that, don’t know why Bitcoin is different. And also I don’t really know what would be the side effects of the mining consuming too much of energy but whatever it is, I hope they look for ways to get it fixed, maybe finding an alternative source to generate power for mining, different from the kind of energy they use now. 
The rate of energy that is being consumed by Bitcoin is one of the really bad sides of Bitcoin and has been raising alarms globally. It is one of the reasons why some government hates Bitcoin and has decided to ban it from their country. The worst part of it all is that new hard wares keep coming in and lots of miners and large mining farms keeps joining every day. Just like CoinCentral revealed in one of their posts the only solution might Green energy, but let’s see how that’s going to be.
I still think a lot of people think that the electricity that is put into bitcoin mining somehow "goes to waste".
The reality is that it serves a purpose, just like how energy put into facilitating transactions on networks like Visa or Mastercard serves a purpose. Without this energy input the bitcoin network would be unable to function.
Everything people don't use is by default a waste in their book. If they knew that it secures trillions worth of transactions on a yearly basis, they would look at Bitcoin differently for sure, but what really needs to happen for them to appreciate it, is to have banks implode in their face. Bitcoin then is the only asset left that's portable, divisible, easy to transfer, and gives them a peace of mind because they own it in full.The reality is that it serves a purpose, just like how energy put into facilitating transactions on networks like Visa or Mastercard serves a purpose. Without this energy input the bitcoin network would be unable to function.
And I'd argue that it's much more "green" and has less of a ecological footprint than precious metals mining, which essentially fulfils the same monetary functions to a lesser degree.
Not only that, but in African countries people literally die from all the toxic waste that is being dumped in rivers and whatnot. It's sickening how no one gives a shit about what these people go through, and the actual environmental and economical damage Gold mining causes there. 
No such thing as "wasted" energy right now. We won't have an excess of energy for a few decades yet.
I think it can be though. Since the OP is talking about "underutilized dams in China and geothermal power sources in Iceland", we can imagine a situation when there are not much businesses/settlements close to the area where the power plant is situated, and transporting the energy to long distance areas does not make economic sense. So, building and operating a Bitcoin mining farm in a close proximity to such a power plant would be indeed, like OP said, utilizing of surplus energy which otherwise would go to waste.
Oh... From the title, I was thinking energy like physical energy, utility invested into bitcoin but wasn't looking in the area of electricity and power until I read the post but then I'm thinking no energy should be estimated to have been "wasted" if without such energy, we won't get to have bitcoin. This new generational asset and investment.
Here is the latest on this. The province of Quebec in Canada, whose electricty is generated by hydro, has allocated extra electricity for crypto mining:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-29/quebec-keeps-electricity-cheap-for-crypto-miners-under-new-rules
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-29/quebec-keeps-electricity-cheap-for-crypto-miners-under-new-rules
Quote
New rules released by the Canadian province’s energy regulator Monday create blockchain as a client category of its own and order utility Hydro-Quebec to set aside an extra 300 megawatt for the industry, on top of 368 megawatts already committed. Applying companies will be judged on four criteria, including the number of jobs created, planned investments and heat recovery plans for the energy-intensive computing process that makes transactions with digital currencies possible.
Regie de l’energie also rejected a proposal by provincial utility Hydro-Quebec to have miners bid for power. Blockchain clients will continue paying one of two tariffs they’ve been offered so far, in most cases the same as large consumers such as manufacturers and data centers.
The decision ends a moratorium that had been put in place to let the province figure out how to deal with requests from the energy-hungry industry. Quebec offers the lowest power rates in North America and saw surging demand. A survey of potential clients by Hydro-Quebec indicated there’s still demand for thousands of megawatts, even after the price of Bitcoin went down last year, spokesman Jonathan Cote said in an interview.
Regie de l’energie also rejected a proposal by provincial utility Hydro-Quebec to have miners bid for power. Blockchain clients will continue paying one of two tariffs they’ve been offered so far, in most cases the same as large consumers such as manufacturers and data centers.
The decision ends a moratorium that had been put in place to let the province figure out how to deal with requests from the energy-hungry industry. Quebec offers the lowest power rates in North America and saw surging demand. A survey of potential clients by Hydro-Quebec indicated there’s still demand for thousands of megawatts, even after the price of Bitcoin went down last year, spokesman Jonathan Cote said in an interview.
Quote
But those caveats aside, the example highlights one of the least-appreciated advantages of bitcoin: Because they can be located anywhere with an internet connection, bitcoin mining operations can take advantage of energy supplies that are impractical for other uses. As explained in depth by Coin Center, the electricity used by bitcoin mining is, contrary to some narratives, not expended on “useless calculations.” The computationally-intensive hashing process is the heart of bitcoin’s distributed security scheme, making it just as important as the (no doubt carbon-intensive) steel doors that guard a bank vault. But, simply by virtue of its flexible location, bitcoin mining can potentially be far more efficient and environmentally friendly than a traditional bank vault.
I still think a lot of people think that the electricity that is put into bitcoin mining somehow "goes to waste".
The reality is that it serves a purpose, just like how energy put into facilitating transactions on networks like Visa or Mastercard serves a purpose. Without this energy input the bitcoin network would be unable to function. And I'd argue that it's much more "green" and has less of a ecological footprint than precious metals mining, which essentially fulfils the same monetary functions to a lesser degree.
I'm not sure whether it's always possible for bitcoin to be using up excess energy on the grid. But ultimately, whether mining is environmentally friendly or not still depends on the source of the energy generation.
No such thing as "wasted" energy right now. We won't have an excess of energy for a few decades yet.
There are tons of ways o utilize free energy and this mainstream media just don't publicly distribute those information. They are too BS, I think they are protecting their masters from losing control of the world economy. Solar energy is a powerful source to power up digital currency mining. The desert in the middle east are vast and should be utilize. There are thousands of free acres to be a solar farm and yet some government just solely depends on fossil fuels. There are high grounds in some places that could be an energy source using wind, yet they don't act on it, sad but this is the reality.
Quote
Amidst many other forms of crypto-skepticism, critiques of energy use by the bitcoin network should remain troubling even to true believers—especially given that we’re hurtling towards a grim climate catastrophe. But the Wall Street Journal describes a small but important real-world example of how things could be improved. The oil drilling operation Black Pearl Resources runs a small bitcoin mining node powered by natural gas that is a byproduct of crude oil extraction. The natural gas isn’t economical to transport or sell, and burning or venting it is harmful to the environment. Because the drilling operation is located near a tiny town (Marwayne, Alberta, population 600), there’s not even much need for the energy locally.
Enter bitcoin.
As reported by the Journal, an oil field consultant named Stephen Barbour last year set up a shipping container housing a few dozen bitcoin mining servers, all powered by Black Pearl’s byproduct natural gas. He has built and sold two other similar setups. As the WSJ notes, there could be a big market for the solution: In places like Texas, natural gas has sometimes become so abundant it must be essentially given away for free.
There is significant upfront cost for Barbour’s mining setups—as much as $130,000 for the container and generator, according to the WSJ, even before mining equipment is installed. The competitive nature of bitcoin mining means that frequent hardware upgrades may continue to be necessary, producing its own stream of e-waste and further expense. And, of course, to the extent that it relies on the larger fossil-fuel industry that is feeding global warming, there’s nothing fundamentally carbon-neutral about this form of bitcoin mining.
It’s also, of course, uncertain whether the up-front investment will turn into profit, depending on the price of bitcoin over the equipment’s lifespan.
But those caveats aside, the example highlights one of the least-appreciated advantages of bitcoin: Because they can be located anywhere with an internet connection, bitcoin mining operations can take advantage of energy supplies that are impractical for other uses. As explained in depth by Coin Center, the electricity used by bitcoin mining is, contrary to some narratives, not expended on “useless calculations.” The computationally-intensive hashing process is the heart of bitcoin’s distributed security scheme, making it just as important as the (no doubt carbon-intensive) steel doors that guard a bank vault. But, simply by virtue of its flexible location, bitcoin mining can potentially be far more efficient and environmentally friendly than a traditional bank vault.
Of course, we no longer store all traditional currency in giant metal boxes, but bitcoin mining is also more flexible than the private servers that run modern banking. Bitcoin’s redundancy allows miners to be located in relatively unsecure locations, like a remote shipping container: Destroying or stealing a bitcoin miner doesn’t touch the bitcoin that has already been mined. Bank servers, by contrast, are high-security data centers, requiring a diverse bundle of infrastructure and staff to protect. (And while they might not all be as power-hungry as a bitcoin mining center, all server farms use energy—a lot of it dirty.)
At various times in recent years, this geographic flexibility this has led to bitcoin mining concentrations near underutilized dams in China and geothermal power sources in Iceland. This isn’t a blanket solution to the bitcoin energy problem, but at the systemic level, it’s potentially transformational: You can’t park a New York bank branch in Mongolia, but a bitcoin server there can help secure money around the world.
This feature of the bitcoin system seems to still be underappreciated and underutilized. According to the Journal, Barbour, when trying to sell his concept, has met significant resistance from oil-field operators who don’t even know what bitcoin is. That means there’s a lot of cheap, otherwise-wasted power waiting to be added to the bitcoin network—and compete with miners running on more expensive, less systemically efficient juice.
https://breakermag.com/how-bitcoin-turns-wasted-energy-into-magical-internet-money/
Enter bitcoin.
As reported by the Journal, an oil field consultant named Stephen Barbour last year set up a shipping container housing a few dozen bitcoin mining servers, all powered by Black Pearl’s byproduct natural gas. He has built and sold two other similar setups. As the WSJ notes, there could be a big market for the solution: In places like Texas, natural gas has sometimes become so abundant it must be essentially given away for free.
There is significant upfront cost for Barbour’s mining setups—as much as $130,000 for the container and generator, according to the WSJ, even before mining equipment is installed. The competitive nature of bitcoin mining means that frequent hardware upgrades may continue to be necessary, producing its own stream of e-waste and further expense. And, of course, to the extent that it relies on the larger fossil-fuel industry that is feeding global warming, there’s nothing fundamentally carbon-neutral about this form of bitcoin mining.
It’s also, of course, uncertain whether the up-front investment will turn into profit, depending on the price of bitcoin over the equipment’s lifespan.
But those caveats aside, the example highlights one of the least-appreciated advantages of bitcoin: Because they can be located anywhere with an internet connection, bitcoin mining operations can take advantage of energy supplies that are impractical for other uses. As explained in depth by Coin Center, the electricity used by bitcoin mining is, contrary to some narratives, not expended on “useless calculations.” The computationally-intensive hashing process is the heart of bitcoin’s distributed security scheme, making it just as important as the (no doubt carbon-intensive) steel doors that guard a bank vault. But, simply by virtue of its flexible location, bitcoin mining can potentially be far more efficient and environmentally friendly than a traditional bank vault.
Of course, we no longer store all traditional currency in giant metal boxes, but bitcoin mining is also more flexible than the private servers that run modern banking. Bitcoin’s redundancy allows miners to be located in relatively unsecure locations, like a remote shipping container: Destroying or stealing a bitcoin miner doesn’t touch the bitcoin that has already been mined. Bank servers, by contrast, are high-security data centers, requiring a diverse bundle of infrastructure and staff to protect. (And while they might not all be as power-hungry as a bitcoin mining center, all server farms use energy—a lot of it dirty.)
At various times in recent years, this geographic flexibility this has led to bitcoin mining concentrations near underutilized dams in China and geothermal power sources in Iceland. This isn’t a blanket solution to the bitcoin energy problem, but at the systemic level, it’s potentially transformational: You can’t park a New York bank branch in Mongolia, but a bitcoin server there can help secure money around the world.
This feature of the bitcoin system seems to still be underappreciated and underutilized. According to the Journal, Barbour, when trying to sell his concept, has met significant resistance from oil-field operators who don’t even know what bitcoin is. That means there’s a lot of cheap, otherwise-wasted power waiting to be added to the bitcoin network—and compete with miners running on more expensive, less systemically efficient juice.
https://breakermag.com/how-bitcoin-turns-wasted-energy-into-magical-internet-money/
....
Here we have a different perspective on bitcoin mining energy consumption from our usual "bitcoin mining is the devil" narrative pushed by mainstream news. It highlights bitcoin mining's mobility, how it can be leveraged to utilize pockets of surplus energy which otherwise would go to waste. Bitcoin mining's tendency to utilize environmentally friendly, green sources of energy, with a small carbon footprint such as geothermal are also noted, which could offset the urban legend of bitcoin mining relying primarily on hydrocarbon based fossil fuels such as coal or oil.
I'm not certain what impact bitcoin mining fueled by natural gas could have. There's a chance burning natural gas to power bitcoin miners is more environmentally friendly than releasing natural gas into the atmosphere. Some natural gases like methane are known to trap far more heat per mass than CO2 potentially making them more dangerous. I think methane breaks down to CO2 after its combusted which could represent a smaller carbon footprint over the long term.
Since most Bitcoin critics don't have enough knowledge about what mining is, they think of it as an energy-wasting activity were in fact, every business is actually consuming energy and electricity. Miners know what they're doing and they're actually doing everything to eliminate too much energy consumption through using solar panels and through searching for other options and remedy to save energy.
Another problem is that if you force people to stop "wasting" electricity on mining it doesn't mean that this power, that is now free, would be used on something usefull, that wouldn't be considered as "wasting" energy. For example, I think that using 6 TV sets for a house with 3 rooms would not be a wise electricity spending.
this is true we are spending valuable resources on bitcoin mining and it is growing like addition. this is really bad for the environment. mining nowadays has increased as much power is in the hands of powerful companies in powerful countries. an alternative to bitcoin mining can be trading or we can use mining in a way that the heat generated by it can be used on other things too. we can find multiple uses of it but sadly there is no one for the development like that.
I know mostly people are wasting energy in mining. But i think there will be a solution where we can mine without losing any energy. For example making electricity with the help of Solar panels system. But it required highly invest. I think only it reduce the waste of energy
I don't know about that though, I think it is not that of waste. There are a lot of miners that are using Solar Panels and I think that is helping reduce that energy consumption. We are using a lot of coal, oil and other sources of energy that can destroy the our environment, and they will pointing at Bitcoin now? Talk about bias.
Unfortunately lots of the eco-warriors are claiming that cryptocurrency mining is destroying the planet because of the energy it uses. As though traditional banking and printing of cash doesn't use energy.
I guess things will improve once coal power stations are closed down and people can no longer argue that mining causes co2 emissions.
I guess things will improve once coal power stations are closed down and people can no longer argue that mining causes co2 emissions.
New initiatives such as solar and hydro mining ( https://crypto.bi/tape/blog/hydromining/ ) are going mainstream. Basically we're turning spare available energy into the basis of a financial system.
If we calculate all the energy spent by banks in infrastructure, buildings, security, electricity, money transport and so on it's probably 10000x more than Bitcoin mining energy. Think about that. A financial system based on Bitcoin would probably save trillions of U$ in banking infrastructure in the long run.
If we calculate all the energy spent by banks in infrastructure, buildings, security, electricity, money transport and so on it's probably 10000x more than Bitcoin mining energy. Think about that. A financial system based on Bitcoin would probably save trillions of U$ in banking infrastructure in the long run.
Here we have a different perspective on bitcoin mining energy consumption from our usual "bitcoin mining is the devil" narrative pushed by mainstream news. It highlights bitcoin mining's mobility, how it can be leveraged to utilize pockets of surplus energy which otherwise would go to waste. Bitcoin mining's tendency to utilize environmentally friendly, green sources of energy, with a small carbon footprint such as geothermal are also noted, which could offset the urban legend of bitcoin mining relying primarily on hydrocarbon based fossil fuels such as coal or oil.
I'm not certain what impact bitcoin mining fueled by natural gas could have. There's a chance burning natural gas to power bitcoin miners is more environmentally friendly than releasing natural gas into the atmosphere. Some natural gases like methane are known to trap far more heat per mass than CO2 potentially making them more dangerous. I think methane breaks down to CO2 after its combusted which could represent a smaller carbon footprint over the long term.
Bitcoin utilizes more energy to mine - is a myth! Compare it with the minting systems we have currently in place!
Bitcoin using alternate energy sources to minimize environmental effects - Can be a reality!
Mainstream media will always speak the news what their sponsors wants them to speak! So it makes no sense to believe them without researching the fact. The way fossil fuel is moving towards depletion, the human society will have to move to the alternate energy sources - sooner or later! Solar energy, natural gas or wind turbines are going to be the main energy source at some point of time in the future! And as the technology advances, we will probably have more avenues to generate electricity other than the conventional methods.
I read the below article back in 2018 which will shed some light from a neutral perspective. Read it below,
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/bitcoin-mining-economic-costs-comparison-to-gold-and-banks-fiat-currency/
Development of Bitcoin is unpredictable that's why I think the Bitcoin to be not predicted by anyone and it will be the mass development in very short period of time but there are lots of things that to be considered with the improvement of Bitcoin in this situation it need to be more stable and more consistent can you delete will be the most top rated currency ever made in this world.
Yes it is not happening for every type of investment and any currency in this world it will be like magical things happening to sometimes in this economy will made it more powerful other than ever so it will be an unexpected things will happening in this current scenario for making the people more richer in every investment without any hard work.
Jump to: