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sr. member
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February 23, 2015, 10:11:04 PM
#46
if more and more people lose interest it will be worth less and less.  even at a nominal small value each, its still a success. 

What if bitcoin becomes what is needed as the fix..
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February 23, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
#45
Bitcoin will never be failed since it already succeeded.  Only way people stop using it is if it is proven to be hacked at will and nothing was safe or secure.

I was thinking along the same lines. It is already a success, I don't see it failing ever now.
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
#44
It fails if doesn't get adopted at a considerable scale, there's been a lot of investment in bitcoin start-ups with the anticipation of mass adoption, if adoption doesn't increase companies will bankrupt.

Bitcoin is too BIG to fail.
Oops, wait....
Bitcoin is off to a great start!  Smiley
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 04:14:02 PM
#43
I think the only way Bitcoin fails is if development just outright stops and people stop using it

Well the last part is pretty obvious but I think we have to look at the reasons why people would stop using it. Will something better come along? Will the price crashing to next to zero cause people to flee? Will an error or bug be found? Will governments ban or heavily regulate it to the point of breaking? Personally the biggest threat to bitcoin is a better successor arriving in my opinion. That could cause it to collapse very quickly imo.
The government part is not very logical. It is very hard or probably impossible for governments to regulate it tightly. They may be able to regulate exchanges but real life exchanges will still take place. Banning bitcoin completely is not possible unless the whole internet is shut down.
The only way for Bitcoin to fail is for everyone to delete their copy of blockchain or simply don't relay it to other nodes. This can only destroy Bitcoin if every single node dies. If there is 100 nodes with up to date blockchain, Bitcoin will not die.

Mass adoption will only occur if there are plenty of tools and exchanges, if a governments ban bitcoin or even make impossible for exchanges to do business it would be enough to jeopardize bitcoin's future, price will collapse and with it the ecosystem.

The network might still be up, and a few trades between trusted parties, but nothing like mass adoption will occur.
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February 23, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
#42
well what happens when bTC is worth 40 bucks, the reward is 1 BTC and difficulty is in the trillions? ahh yes FAIL thats what happens.

That doesn't make any sense, and you don't know what you're talking about.

If the difficulty was in the trillions, then it would cost thousands of dollars in electricity to mine 1 BTC.  No miner will spend $2000 to mine 1BTC and then sell it for $40.  If miners can't pay their electricity with BTC, then some of them will stop mining, and the remaining miners will become profitable again. 

Plus, the price could never reach $40, because if the price ever hit $100 then I would borrow every penny I could get and spend it all on bitcoin.  And so would a lot of other people.


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No one mining bitcoins means no transactions are being processed

"No one mining bitcoins" would mean that half this forum died in a disaster, and the rest of the world magically started hating money.

In your imagination, when no one is mining bitcoins, what happened to me and all my computers and all these piles of video cards?

If no one was mining bitcoins, then we could go back to mining with old laptops.  It's not like every asic farm in the world will simultaneously stop, so any downward trend would happen over time and the difficulty would slowly adjust. 
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
#41
I think the only way Bitcoin fails is if development just outright stops and people stop using it

Well the last part is pretty obvious but I think we have to look at the reasons why people would stop using it. Will something better come along? Will the price crashing to next to zero cause people to flee? Will an error or bug be found? Will governments ban or heavily regulate it to the point of breaking? Personally the biggest threat to bitcoin is a better successor arriving in my opinion. That could cause it to collapse very quickly imo.
The government part is not very logical. It is very hard or probably impossible for governments to regulate it tightly. They may be able to regulate exchanges but real life exchanges will still take place. Banning bitcoin completely is not possible unless the whole internet is shut down.
The only way for Bitcoin to fail is for everyone to delete their copy of blockchain or simply don't relay it to other nodes. This can only destroy Bitcoin if every single node dies. If there is 100 nodes with up to date blockchain, Bitcoin will not die.
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 08:15:09 AM
#40
Video tapes like Betamax didn't fail. Laserdiscs didn't fail. 8-track tapes didn't fail. All of them worked as expected and promised. They all have one thing in common, a better technology came along and stole their user base. The archaic system of imposing value on metal tokens and pieces of paper only survives because governments have the ability to force their continued use. Private technologies have no force of law behind them compelling their use beyond their inherent usefulness. Bitcoin will eventually go the way of the 8-track tape because something new will prove to be more useful. Most of us call that progress; however, Bitcoin can never fail because currently it's working as expected and promised even if it's eventually replaced.
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February 23, 2015, 05:54:05 AM
#39
I think the only way Bitcoin fails is if development just outright stops and people stop using it

Well the last part is pretty obvious but I think we have to look at the reasons why people would stop using it. Will something better come along? Will the price crashing to next to zero cause people to flee? Will an error or bug be found? Will governments ban or heavily regulate it to the point of breaking? Personally the biggest threat to bitcoin is a better successor arriving in my opinion. That could cause it to collapse very quickly imo.
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February 23, 2015, 02:17:33 AM
#38
I think the only way Bitcoin fails is if development just outright stops and people stop using it (venture capitalists pull their money, etc). But I'm sure Satoshi is really impressed by how far it has come. It'll be a success when real stakes/money is won through your video game console or MMORPG and gamers won't be able to cheat with mining bots. So then, you're highscore or leaderboard will actually have value attached. And then viewers can bet on or tip their favorite pro gamer, etc, etc. Assuming game consoles don't use their own currency like they are right now with Microsoft Points or Nintendo credits or whatever.

I also like the idea of abstracting Bitcoin mining into a MMORGP similar to Minecraft or something. You have to give people an abstraction otherwise they don't get that all this mining is a bunch of computers crunching numbers. Maybe hook up Minecraft or we create our own game and depict "real virtual mining" so people can get real Bitcoins.

You could give people careers as pro gamers. Toss them Bitcoins as pay.
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 02:15:11 AM
#37
Without electricity, Bitcoin would fail.  Otherwise, as long as there is demand for it, it will last as long as the market allows.

Just as a curiosity, though, I often wonder what number of BTC have been lost from the market forever due to things like misplaced keys, hardware failures, etc.?  If enough BTC were lost, maybe that would have an effect, too.
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February 23, 2015, 02:07:13 AM
#36
Bitcoin as technology will fail only if "all the miners" shutdown their machine. It is not probable but if the price will not rise after 2-3 block reward halving we can start to "think" about this theory. Instead if the price will rise and the miners will not turn off their machines the bitcoin ecosystem will grow and stay in life.
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 02:04:47 AM
#35
Bitcoin will never be failed since it already succeeded.  Only way people stop using it is if it is proven to be hacked at will and nothing was safe or secure.
legendary
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February 23, 2015, 01:59:00 AM
#34
We are currently showing transaction figures of +/- 100 000 transactions per day... If Bitcoin goes mainstream, this figure will increase and miners fees will increase too.

The miners fees will supplement the block bonus loss, so that would not be such a big problem in the future.

Individual Satoshi's will have a bigger value too... as the demand for Bitcoin increase. { A few years ago 1 Bitcoin, was valued below $1 and we would not have imagined that it would increase in value towards the $1000+ value it did reach} ---> What if the same thing, happens with a Satoshi? .... Who knows? The price of 1 Satoshi could be valued at $0.01 or even $1 ..... that would make the 1000 Satoshi paid out for free at most faucets, a VERY good investment over time.  Grin Grin 
sr. member
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February 22, 2015, 10:01:07 PM
#33
Sorry for my ignorance, but I really don't understand how Bitcoin can fail.
If there is a limit of 21 million Bitcoins that will ever be made won't it just increase as people can't get it anyway else than trading?
From how I see it, the worst thing that can happen is that it gets the same standards as gold.

Please tell me what you think Smiley
you are not considering the numbers after decimal point. if the price goes up 1 satoshi will worth more than what it does now, so it really is more than 21 million btc

may be somebody sell big bitcoin amount in currency exchanges thats why bitcoin price fall now

Like privious time i still remember a big fall from 300$ to 200$
sr. member
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February 22, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
#32
Currently, the Bitcoin community has begun to mature and responsible Cryptocurrency where they got. The lesson we can learn is the time still believe with Bitcoin, then Bitcoin not die. Although many disasters that struck the potential for Bitcoin does not mean every way. Bitcoin, so far, is the first technology that can change the financial world a better, cheaper, and anti-politicization place.
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February 22, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
#31
Bitcoin can fail if it falls to Zero $0, miners stop mining due to losses, nodes stop broadcasting the chain, and developers abandon ship....

I think that pretty much covers it.

Edit: Obviously 51% attack, fork gone wrong, or a discovered malicious bug in the code, etc..
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February 22, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
#30
Sorry for my ignorance, but I really don't understand how Bitcoin can fail.
If there is a limit of 21 million Bitcoins that will ever be made won't it just increase as people can't get it anyway else than trading?
From how I see it, the worst thing that can happen is that it gets the same standards as gold.

Please tell me what you think Smiley

I can see Bitcoin failing if players like Paycoin and the likes continue to tarnish Bitcoin's reputation by directly associating themselves with Bitcoin.

Another possibility I can see is that it will be considered a compromise/middle ground to accept Bitcoin as an idea but not as THE cryptocurrency. Politicians may use this dialogue to convince the people of a centralized cryptocurrency with a publically verifiable blockchain.
hero member
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February 22, 2015, 01:43:03 PM
#29
Imho Bitcoin can't be fought and beaten from the outside ( governments, ect. ).

It could fail just because of some implosion: for example mega dump and consequent complete lack of interest by its users, stop of mining, ect.
Or it could fail after the launch of a better cryptocoin... and in this case Bitcoin will become simply an altcoin, among the others...
hero member
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February 22, 2015, 01:08:05 PM
#28
I don't really understand your question. 21 million total is not a limit, coins are divisible.

No, you're wrong. 21 million IS A LIMIT. But divisibility means we can potentially trade 1/1010 of a bitcoin.

 1/108, actually. But thanks, now I know how to do superscripts   Cool

No. 1/1010. The point is that we are adding decimal places (for a hypothetical reason).
sr. member
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February 22, 2015, 11:15:15 AM
#27
Sorry for my ignorance, but I really don't understand how Bitcoin can fail.
If there is a limit of 21 million Bitcoins that will ever be made won't it just increase as people can't get it anyway else than trading?
From how I see it, the worst thing that can happen is that it gets the same standards as gold.

Please tell me what you think Smiley


The total coins ever made will be 21 mil
that's won't fail as you can even have 0.00000001 bitcoin so it is quite alot Wink
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