Topic: How can lightning network help Bitcoin? (Read 397 times)

Apart from essential solving the scaling and fee problem, lightning also makes it possible for users to transact in Bitcoin offline, ensuring that smaller merchants and those in less economically developed countries have access to the technology. It also massively incentivizes merchants,  retailers and corporations to get involved as the barrier to entry is now much lower.

Just lifting the block size is a simple and elegant solution that can avoid a controversial hardfork, while allowing thousands or tens of thousands of people to gain access to their funds in a timely manner. I think the low rate would be very good ayudsria bitcoin is used more because they are therefore to make millions of transactions per block at the same time and its comfirmacion will be in minutes and even seconds from pole to more economical.

Bitcoin have a long block time, it is hard if you want to transfer your coin with short time because you will have to wait the confirmation block.
Lightning network purpose is to speed up the transaction time i think, like the name, the process will be fast as lightning.

Lightning network will also make many transaction at the same time,congestion will be gone and so as the trafficking of transactions.thats why with LN everything in bitcoin will be resolve and this will compete all the small transacting sites now.this is what i have learnt about lightning network

lightning is a separate network.
many coins will use it.

lightnings concept is similar to the 19th century bankers gold concept

"using gold for coffee is cumbersome.. here lock your gold into these vaults (LN factories) and ill sign you a transaction promissory note that you can then play around with. and if i like the recipient and see my signature i will authorise my payment to them. because its faster easier and cheaper than handling confirmed gold"

and now..
"if you dont want the promissory notes. here have a bag of copper, brass, tin and nickel coins"

think about it...

history has shown that gold is no longer a payment method. a medium of exchange or a common currency. but something held and owned by the vaults(ln factories)

The cost of sending the bitcoin will be significantly reduced. will help bitcoin faster in the second transaction will allow us to make micropayments with low cost, we can drink coffee and the cost for us is 2000 satoshi or less will confirm that not made charge doubles since they say it will be out of the block bitcoin chain

Lightning network are working for the fast and quality internet connection to make fast connectivity for every users. Lightning network have big rules also in the work of digital currency it's help to make it fast transactions because of strong stable connection.

The Lightning Network technology will allow all Bitcoin users to make instant transactions for any amount. Therefore, people will be able to use Bitcoin to pay for any goods and services.

If Blockstream had allowed to raise the block size from 1MB to 8MB none of this multisig-sidechain-hardfork nonsense would be needed. You see we would still have only one BTC. But the powers that shouldn't be are well aware of the old adage "divide and conquer"  Again, Just raising the block size was a simple and elegant solution that could have avoided a contentious hardfork, while allowing thousands or tens of thousands of people to have access to their funds in a timely manner.

Lightning network help bitcoin to the way of the transaction fee was become faster and quickly and decrease the transaction fees.

Because of lightning network the  transaction fees on bitcoin are also significantly reduced, the transactions will be executed quickly and efficiently. Lightning network is the way to solve the some problems and issues about bitcoin.

Primarily bitcoin and altcoin are still transferred between the exchange! This transfer fee is still high while the charge of the network is low! Need to change their policy for digital money transfer!

The biggest problem that Bitcoin has been facing in the past two years is the scalability issue. And lightning network fixes this issue very well. The only thing that's needed now is for it to be successfully adopted. Without lightning network the bitcoin network wont be able to handle thousands of transactions per second.

it's a huge innovation as it makes the transactions immediate, with low fees and untrackable. Last feature might not be so welcome with governments, let's see what that brings to us

Lightning network can helps the bitcoin in the blockchain market creates a faster trading transaction into different kind of process in exchanges trading,otherwise maybe its called a lightning because its speed like a light thats makes your transaction faster and its different from normal transaction, in making a transaction of exchanges market,and in terms of processing fee its lesser than the normal one that we used.

Lightning network can help bitcoin in a way that it can make the transaction faster, easier, and convenient. It is not only the benefit of lightning network because it can also reduce the cost of the transaction fee.

would help the bitcoin was faster in their second transactions would allow us to make micropayments at low cost we could take a coffee and it would cost us for 2000 satoshis or less say that the confirmations would be and that instantaneous would open to see their operation and not be do the double expense since they say that it will be out of the chain of bitcoin blocks I think that the low rate would be very good ayudsria to that bitcoin be used more since they are therefore to make millions of transactions per block at the same time and its comfirmacion would be in minutes and even seconds from pole to pole more economic

The Lightning Network is a built-in system to make it easier for people to send or receive payments by reducing transaction costs and can help bitcoin be more useful for the daily currency.

issues
LN is for CROSS platforms:
this means its not a network to make bitcoin scale.. but to make ANY blockchain scale. meaning while bitcoin devs scream bitcoins blckchain cant scale, bitcoins blockchain is expensive, slow...  other devs of things like litecoin will be promoting faster settlement cheaper settlement and better onchain control. thus making bitcoin lose dominance and making people prfr to settle and hoard an altcoin..

LN is multisig
this means forget the permissionless, no-trust required PUSH payment system of bitcoin which everyone loved. LN is a counterparty requird authorisation system and also requires authorisation of every user of the route AND the authorisation of the destination. they are desparetly trying to automate the authorisations so people dont realise it. but by doing so, the automation can also negatively be used to raid people of their funds because they cant stop it in the half second an automation occurs. EG when you see the hen leave the hen house its harder to grab it hold and put it back in the hen house, especially if the hen house doors are set to open automatically to encourage free movement of the hen.
remmber when funds ar in your channel your funds can be used by others to route their payments. and in a "fast network" you wont get the manual control you acknowledge/manualy authoruis others route/use of your funds.

LN has opened up new vulnerable opcodes and scripts
because most consumers wont have time experience/knowledge to check every payment at raw tx level. they will not se if whats being signed is actually the terms/conditions that they are comfortable with.(opcode, punishments, fee's)

LN involves preplanning spending habits and pre-depositing funds
firstly knowing you may use starbucks daily but walmart fortnightly you would prefer to connct as close to/more direct to a starbucks hub to reduce fee's and organise the routes accordingly. after all you dont want to end up conncting directly to your opticians directly that you only see once every 2 years but then have starbucks 10 hops away(costing you 10x fee) for daily purchases.
then you will need to fund a number of channels(not have funds sat in one 'wallet' but locked into separate channels(accounts) that go through only the certain counterparty you lockd onto
so you would then need to rmember
$600 for optician... time lock 6 years
$90 for starbucks.. time lock 1 month ($3 a day habit)
$480 for walmart..timelock 2 month ($120 a fortnight habit)
some say 1 channel per node. but that does not work in reality because your 1 countrparty may go offline and if they are only conectd to you.. then you/they ar not part of a well established route. thus you DO end up having multiple channels

this is because if you are only going to mak 1 payment.. its a waste to ven us LN. bcause opening and closing is 2 onchain payments. so moving the money twice onchain just to use once offchain is stupid. so yea you will need to plan spending habits and lock funds in for a considered period of time to make the most of the cost saving of onchain fee's

and even then. if your optician goes offline of a hop between you and starbucks on the route gets DDoSed you then have to move funds about again into new channels to find other routes, or you may end up forced to use a route with a high fee offchain
(this is called the 'hook fee' all businesses use this to entice new customers.. entice you in with a route of only 1millisat per hop and then 2 hops(2millisat total).. then disconnct the second hop(they control), and create a staged route(they control) of 20 hops at 2millisat each to get to the destination. because they have programemed their node to only connect to directly to their own sybil nodes for a distance of 20 hops. so they can grab 40millisats from evry customer who then connect to the outer ring of their sybil nodes...

yes. many users have already envisioned setting up multiple sybil nodes to double/quadruple the fee's they get by setting up themselves on a well established route
imagine it like closing a country road to force people onto a toll road, knowing users funds ar locked into thier channel they have no choice but to accept the route handed to them or pay the onchain fee/punishment to exit the channel

the Lightning Network project is a future transaction project with features: Instant Payments, Scalability, Low Cost, and Cross Blockchains. all such information can be found on the website: https://lightning.network/. this project is not yet fully used on platforms familiar to our ears, so not many who use this technology. if you want to try it please see some projects that support this network Lightning Network.
website : https://lightning.engineering/
Github   : https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd
Tutorial : https://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/

some projects that support Lightning Network network other than LND are ECLAIR, C-Lightning, LIT, Lightning-Onion, Lightning-integration, Ptarmigan, I hope this helps. 
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