Topic: How Can We Identify Someone Who Uses AI? (Read 1044 times)

There's a thread in the reputation board where you can report those who are using AI to make posts. Some of the tools they're using online are Copyleaks, Hive, Sapling, ZeroGPT and GPTZero. It's useful for making sure that what you're reading is reliable. However, like any tool it's important to verify that it's not making errors itself.

You can report here if find someone using AI: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ai-spam-report-reference-thread-5456516

Can you name some of these tools ? I searched online but most offerings appeared to be scam only.

I checked only the first page. There are a few AI generated text in the first page, while the rest are some randomly generated hooks by the project owners which they shared to a group of people whose duty is to copy and paste the posts in intervals. By suspicion, a newbie could be misinterpreted for using AI because they have not written enough posts to enable people master their posting patterns. But most AI users I have seen are newbies. Once the grammar is too correct and nicely formatted and posted by a newbie, it could be AI generated (80%) turns out to be true most times.

Regarding the red or neutral flag, well, it's obvious that it's what you've not seen as you said, so I should not go there, especially for the reason that I have not also seen it. But I doubt it if there won't be such cases, particularly if the detection is 100% when software is being used to ascertain it.

But as you said, I am sure that many would have been banned due to the use of AI. Do you know why? Though, we may not be investigating each case, nevertheless, what is important here is that there is no way you can be using AI to generate your posts and not plagiarise, and plagiarism is seriously frowned upon on the forum. This invariably means that many would have been flagged to have warned them and later got banned for such an offence if they were warned but didn't turn a new leaf.

As for the extent of the punishment, I don't think there is a lesser punishment than permanent banning in this situation unless such a person later begs or appeal somehow.

They are not AI-generated. Most of the altcoin projects don't spend a lot of money on their marketing campaigns for some reason known to them. They tend to hire people or maybe a single person who makes accounts or already has a bunch of accounts on different public platforms where they would shill the project. Suppose an announcement about the project is made on one of those platforms, just like the one we are discussing here. In that case, that person tends to make generic informational posts, with different accounts, about the project to keep the ANN active and make the project look active and kicking.

Look at this:


This is the first post on that thread after the OP made the announcement, and the fun fact is, this was the first post of the poster in the forum and he never made any other posts after this. Are we supposed to think that it is some random guy who joined the forum out of nowhere, visited that section, opened that specific announcement, made a post containing a bunch of information about the project and vanished after it? 

And I'm not saying that all the posts there are exactly written by AI. But there are a lot of those posts. At least that's what the AI checker I used to check the posts says. And yes, I did not check all posts, but only those that made me suspicious.

All of the AI checker tools I tried have flaws and they make big mistakes, but combination of several tools gives lower margin of error, and some common sense is always needed in the end.

I am not sure if all of them are AI generated, but this topic is full of crap written by newbies that are all probably controlled by one farm, same generic account names, posts generated in same style that creates fake conversation.
I don't visit jungle of altcoins section in forum so often but someone really needs to start reporting posts like this.

I wouldn't think of it so much as being a "target" as a "test subject."

You have a particular style of posting as well, although it is not quite as pronounced as franky1.

When I get some spare time, I'll see what I can do to make it happen... it must be possible.

I wondered, what do you say about this topic [ANN][IDO] RGames [RGAME]: Revolutionizing Racing - Develop, Play, and Earn!? Do you think there are a lot of posts in this topic written by AI? Only without verification

Lolz... Maybe the idea came from this forum. Such phrases as "reputable forum member".
I detect AI written posts without any tool. But I do this only on subjects I am well knowledgeable about. Any topic I know to my finger tips, I will be able to detect AI texts. Either from;
The use of words;
Formatting;
Lack of emotions;
Expressing ideas in more generalized form rather than being personal.
If you fix your mind to this, you will see how easy it is. Unless you are not familiar with the subject the AI is trying to express.

thank for this post.  I think this is going to be a real issue down the road.

I have 45,000 plus posts. franky1 has 40,000 plus.

we should be perfect targets for a good ai programmer to mimic.

Would love to see if it gets done.

I wonder what your definition of “reputable AI checker” is? To date, I personally have not met an AI checker that I would call authoritative. Absolutely all AI checkers have one or another error in AI text detection. Although I have one AI checker that I trust the most.

As of the moment there is no real way for you to automatically detect whether someone's using AI or someone's fetching info from good old ChatGPT, but there are copy checkers out there that have been able to flush out AI content a good amount of time.

Although let me just get one thing out of the way, do not use Copyleaks to check for the validity of a certain comment. They have been known across twitter and reddit to have been erroneous in providing valid results. Someone across the internet fed it the fist chapter of the Bible and Tagged it as AI, and I've been accused of being an AI writer myself in my main line of work by new clients all cause they use copyleaks, which is a fucking bummer and a kick in the balls to my principle and morals as a writer myself.

So if you're going to get in there and check whether someone's content is AI, first check with your intuition, and then use a reputable AI checker, then post it in reputation with screenshots to show for it so you don't look like a goofball accusing someone of using AI without verifiable evidence.

I really wanted to train ChatGPT to write in the style of franky1. I fed it like 100 of his posts and told it to write a response in his style, which is a very distinct writing style. It couldn't do it. What it could do was mimic his negativity and more-or-less convey his positions on things. But it couldn't capture the essence of his style.

If you want to train an AI language model to write in your style, I'm sure its possible, I just don't know what tool to use to make that happen.

Just like plagiarism. AI generated post spam is more a moderation thing. The neutral tags left on the account help user and campaign managers keep track of such users just incase they don't get banned by the moderators.

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I don't know any. I just know one where people who use AI to make posts are reported.


As of now, the common AI bots seem to write content in a specific way easily noticeable by anyone sharp even without using an AI content detector. Maybe Grok can be a little subtle

That's okay, because that's not what the trust system is built for.


And can you give me at least one example of an account temporarily banned for using AI? Because I haven't come across any. Maybe you know more about it?

 I post like mad been doing it long before AI became an issue.

I want to a thread attempting to write as if I am an AI.

Mostly out of intellectual curiosity .

Has any one made a thread with well known posters trying to write like AI.

I have personally checked over 1000 of my posts and none register as ai.

My interest has a few points. Should a guy copy every post made by me and feed it into An ai generator that attempts to write like I 

do?

If you did do that would my new posts look ai?

Any and all copious long term posters could be knocked off.

My wife asked me to see the new mummy trailer and the new pirates of the carrabian trailer on YouTube. BOTH were ai fakes.

I haven't seen anyone who was given a red tag because they made use of AI; rather, what they have been given as a warning is neutral to warn others of their involvement in AI usage.
 
Aside from the neutral, it seems there have also been some adjustments to the forum rules because I have seen users getting temporary bans due to AI usage and some permanent bans too, of which I don't know the length or gravity that is used to decide their punishment.

@Jessie2121, on this forum there are too many smart people and you can not outsmart everyone while using AI to make post, if you do that frequently, you will definitely be caught and yoy will receive a red trust. What you are saying about wining bonus with AI post is just a false because no body will make post consistently with AI without being unnoticed.

While there may be tools in order to determine if a text is made by AI, you just actually observe on the phrase itself on how it describes the whole sentence.

Generally, AI written texts and/or phrases contain some hifalutin words or repetitive adjectives to describe a simple thing. Also, if the delivery of the phrase looks "robotic" in a way, then you can at least have an idea that it was AI generated.

The tools that some provided here are secondary sources that can be utilized for you to confirm if the said text is really AI-generated. But the first step will always come from your own observation on how the person delivered the said text or sentence.


Like what I mentioned above, it is about the delivery of the said sentence on what differs compared to a normal person writing a sentence. Let's try to make a simple example:

According to chatgpt, I asked the question "what is love" and this is the answer it gave:

I mean, if a person were to define love, they will most likely define it a way that they will associate their own experiences with it. Basically, chatgpt's description is so textbook to the point that it looks very robotic and AI-generated.

Yes, you're exactly right about this instance. ChatGPT's use of these phrases is exceedingly common, more than a regular human being would ever use.



And when there's one, there's usually more, so I added him to this thread to get his posts deleted.

The technology works, the problem is the funding and the board of the company is as retarded as it can be when it comes to choosing which direction they want the technology to go, they don't seem to know what to do so they end up collapsing from the inside. It's a sad reality that technology that could benefit the humanity will almost always perish before it can be available for public use because capitalists use them first and dismantle it as soon as they see that they're not going to make a generous amount of profit there. Of course they're going to have a hard time with identification, it would be a bad AI if it doesn't cover itself well against detection right? If that was the case, I'd be ecstatic that my project works as I intend it to be.

It's mostly pretty evident. There is a general difference in tone between a text written by a human and a text written by an AI, and that tone stays even if someone tries to tweak their prompts and asks the AI model to write a text that should sound like a human has written it, the AI can't perfectly imitate the tone and the way of writing of a human.

Another notable thing is that an AI model will barely make any mistakes, punctuation, spelling, grammar, and even sentence structure will probably be perfectly accurate which makes it look a bit unreal, though I know there can be people having enough knowledge and experience to be able to do that without using an AI, you can't expect an absolute newbie to have that sort of perfection, right?

Last but not least, an AI language model will have a certain writing pattern. It will separate paragraphs, and start paragraphs with words such as However, Lastly, Additionally, etc.

Here is an example of a post that I feel is written by using an AI model: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-need-help-to-generate-my-own-key-pair-5495149

Are you trying to say you use an App or something more to detect if a post is AI? Because I myself I can't seem to figure it out or identify an AI post by reading or looking at it... In what way can we find it suspicious before we conclude ? To b honest I don't think is 95% possible by looking at a post without running it to check, this is confusing you know.

firstly, the major problem isn't using AI, but mindless usage of it. For example, chat GPT has made research very easy for people. they get great insights from the near-accurate solutions it proffers. Now, that doesn't mean you'll mindlessly copy whatever you see there to a professional or educational setting. Those are for gathering knowledge and is not intended in any way to be a replacement for your brain or your intentional delivery of concepts.

Secondly, we still have to make use of our intuition and wealth of experiences to make accountable and educating posts and comments in this prestigious forum. Most people who use AI for creating contents to post here are letting this forum down as they are not upholding the integrity of this forum which I know is centered on enlightening the members with well thought, rich, Educating and self-coined contents. or crediting the source of the content if copied.

thirdly, AI is a research tool and never a content writing tool, and is never a replacement for our thinking and creativity. Therefore, mindless usage of AI should be highly discouraged to reduce lack of creativity in its apex and uphold the integrity of this forum.


Finally, there are various tools to detect mindless use of AI eg:

• https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/
• https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector

Well, yeah, it works It works so well that Open AI itself decided to shut down its service based on their neural network, which determined whether the text was written by an AI or a human. Because they themselves admitted that today there is simply no algorithm for determining whether the text is written by an AI or a human.

You can't detect AI produced text, but newbies who just want to make a few bucks are easily detectable, because they don't utilize it properly. For instance, they don't request to use some different dialect.

Usually, I notice AI posts when they respond with much more content than required. A newbie making four paragraph long posts, is quite suspicious.

These two statements seem to be at odds with each other.

Anyway, what matters first and foremost as far as forum reports are concerned is if a post is spam or not. If it contributes nothing of substance and is suspected to be written by AI, it stands a much higher chance of being deleted than if it is just suspected AI.


Yes but there will still be telltale signs that give them away. It hasn't happened yet so I don't know what they are, but I guarantee there will be.

We can't actually. That's one of the reasons people are afraid of deep learning. The better it is, the less capable we are at distinguishing it. If you write a program, that learns how I'm writing, responding, which are my preferences, interests etc., then you can clone BlackHatCoiner. At that point, only my digital signature will be sufficient for proving I'm indeed me.

But at the moment it isn't so concerning. I'm myself detecting and reporting newbies who use ChatGPT. But we won't distinguish that forever. I suspect that, at some point in the future, there will be users talking, who will not exist.

One thing we can do to spot an AI is to copy the text and ask ChatGPT if it provided the text itself. I've actually done this before and it's working. But sometimes other uses ChatGPT and uses other platforms like Quillbot and other paraphrasing tools to make the text original.

From my observation, text from ChatGPT are like this;

- uses a lot of flowery words
- particular with capitalization and such
- written in formal manner ( strict with punctuations and such)
- extensive and repetitive words


Agree on this, banning accounts who uses ChatGPT is a must because it completely ruins the essence of this forum. But as what you've said, it's really hard to identify who uses AI-generated tools.

There is already a forum rule restricting forum users against the habit of plagiarism, the punishment for breaking this rule is outright ban without warning (could be tem ban or perma ban, all depends on the user involved), the habit of posting contents copied from Ai is no different from a user copy pasting content from other sources, and the user fail to properly reference the source where the content comes from, be it from Ai or an article or someone else's post from any social media, that becomes plagiarism, and the punishment for the offence like I've said before is a ban.

And as for how to know if someone's post is Ai generated, there are many sources online by which this can be known, you can search on google if other users have not already mentioned some of those sources, simply coping and pasting the post on that source will tell you if the post is Ai generated or an original post.

I would love to see this AI ChatGPT ban in bitcointalk forum, but I think it's not always easy to identify AI super-plagiarism.
From my testing of ChatGPT I found out that AI is stupid and it doesn't know what is right or wrong, but it's very good in plagiarism and repeating stuff developers feed it.

I think it is, similar to the way that using a text spinner to rewrite something is considered plagiarism. If someone mentions that they are using AI to write their post, then I have no problems with it. Then its clear that they're acknowledging its not their work.

Another reason why some forums (such as Stack Overflow) have banned the use of AI is they often give wrong answers, which I do see happening from time to time...


Though its not like people can't be wrong without AI. Some make a whole career of it.


Well, not exactly, and I doubt that it ever will... at least not until it starts complaining about not having any rights.

nutildah's post is one of the most coherent ones from this topic and I also consider his topic very useful. Perhaps not many have his skill, to detect a post written by AI simply by reading it, so this must be a special perk

At same time, the highlighted part is the one most frustrating and deceptive. I would certainly not like at all to read some posts, to consider them valuable and, in the end, to find out that the author used an AI to generate them. Regarding the mention of plagiarism -- this is a sort of plagiarism indeed... After all, the author plagiarized an AI (lol?) since he did not write the post by himself... It's like if we were on SF forum and someone would come up with quotes from Jules Verne or Isaac Asimov and he would receive tons of merit. But those merits were supposed to be for the real authors of his lines -- Jules Verne and Asimov. Yet people which did not read those authors or which did not recognize the lines as belonging to them would merit a simple user which would try to take credit on someone else's work.

Now this leads to an interesting debate: can copy-pasting from an AI be considered plagiarism, if the source is not mentioned? Does the AI have the same rights as a human, in order to be considered to be prejudiced by a plagiarist? (This also reminds me of Asimov's novelette The Bicentennial Man (there was made also a film adaptation), the subject being a robot which struggled to be considered human. In the end, he could prove he is a human being only after he made some changes to his body in order to be able to die.)

Most of these people who use AI to generate posts do so because they are too lazy to write what they know and live the rest, thinking that it will make their post look excellent, but that is not the case. They need to understand that the forum does not support that, and if someone will wait and focus on what brought them here, they will seriously learn and be able to write their own post without using the AI. However, some of them are mostly newbies that are yet to know how to post correctly on the forum, so those newbies think that they can use AI to post comments or create new threads, and they believe that using AI will make it look excellent and then deserve merits, but there is a link that they use to check whether a post was created using AI here

I think there is difference we can indentify from a post made my computer and person himself as sometimes we can sense it from the writing style or better there are tools for it.The ChatGPT company also have plagiarism detecting tools developed to indentify such contents so people don't misuse it imposing as it their own content.

Although I personally view the use of GhatGPT, GPT-3, etc. here as plagiarism (someone is taking credit for something they didn't write), at the end of the day AI posts are likely only to be deleted by mods if:

a) they are obviously written by AI, and/or
b) they are spam that adds nothing of value or substance to the forum

with more weight given to b).


In this thread there's a lot of mentioning instances where a particular detector returned a false positive, and some people are keen to use that as an excuse to dismiss all detectors altogether, but some are obviously more accurate than others. What I've noticed is that if a post is short (2-4 lines), the detectors are more likely to return a false positive. The more data the detectors have to analyze, the better job they're going to do (which is why some have a minimum character count).

But ultimately what matters is whether or not the post is useless spam, which is what a lot of AI-assisted posts come across as. I can personally tell if someone is using AI within the first few lines of a post, and then my eyes kind of just gloss over the rest. Don't know about you guys but I simply don't care to read the rest of a post knowing its machine-generated.

I have mixed feelings about the possibility of detecting correctly AI generated text in all cases. I know 2 forum users which were incorrectly accused of using AI for their posts (one case is the one from here). While a (one) website was detecting AI generated posts in their cases, 3 other websites were saying that their posts were written by a human.

AI generated posts are, indeed, a problem, since many can use it for reaching their campaign quotas and also for obtaining not deserved merits. So some action against such cases is more than welcome, such as nutildah did. Besides, some campaign managers are also actively looking for AI generated posts.

However, since this madness technology is somehow recent, the tools for properly detecting it are not flawless and they may lead to false accusations. At same time, a broken tool is better than no tool at all so, at least, there is a way for combating this new way of cheating the system. Therefore, since the tools used are not flawless, I believe that best approach is to treat these accusations case by case, try each time using more websites for detecting the AI and not just one, allow the users to defend themselves and to present proof in their favor and so on.

What I'm trying to say is that, since this technology is here and there is nothing that can be done about that, let's not always jump to conclusions and let's make a thorough analysis for each accusation.

Ultegra123, you understood me very well. I do not actually mean that any newbie that makes grammatically correct posts uses AI. I only stated my own way of dictating an AI generated post. If a newbie who has no merits or fewer than 5 merits, whose post history has been 2 to 3 lines, suddenly starts making lengthy posts like wall of text with higher level of grammatical connectivity or correctness, it's a red flag.

Besides, I do not hunt AI users, but most times I do test random posts to quench my curiosity. I don't have the intention to hunt AI users for now until theymos makes any kind of rule about AI usage.

I am not asking to stop AI, but action is needed against those who are misusing AI and using AI in their posts to show everyone that he is a quality full post data.But if someone by using AI and share something informative info with the acknowledgment he is using Ai, I don't think there is anything wrong here.
Moreover, already many members are skillfully using AI to catch the posters. And by strengthening it I think the abuse of this AI can be stopped in this forum. For your kind information in this topic already described how can you identify those Ai post generators. --> AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report
Now if you can identify those posters with the help of this topic, just report them in to this thread- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895

Check URL & Text for AI origin with Writer
Human vs AI content detector by ContentAtScale.io
GPTZero detects ChatGPT, GPT3, GPT4, Bard, and other AI models.

If you want to detect whether or not someone is using AI to generate their posts, then use either or all of these tools to detect whether or not/how much AI was used to create the post. I'd say that there is a lot of fear around using AI to make posts in comparison to when AI was first being used to make posts, though do come back with some feedback on how you went finding them.

You'll find many tools that will let you detect AI posts, but the accuracy of most of those tools' detections is debatable. Because users who post AI-generated posts mix it up using other tools to make it look like it was written by humans. Then if they mix AI generated posts with human generated posts then it becomes difficult to detect them. So it is true that it is difficult to detect AI posts with 100% certainty.

Some people may take help from Grammarly to correct their grammar, and others who are proficient in English may never make a grammatical mistake, hence I don't think grammar perfection should lead to the conclusion of AI posts.

If a person is constantly using the AI, one can see his overall posts and get the idea that the posts lack the human touch and then we may further make use of sites that detect the AI for further confluence. On the other hand, if a person uses AI in a few of his posts or in parts of his posts, then it may be difficult to detect the AI posts.

Perfect grammar may be a sign of AI usage if the said user has a history of poor English knowledge in their previous posts. Otherwise, in general, grammar isn't an accurate way to suspect AI usage; I'm also quite proficient in the English language and also use extensions such as Grammarly to correct any mistakes I make. The truth is that you cannot suspect every single newbie that creates constructive content, but the truth is that after the introduction of AI platforms, there has been an increase in suspiciously constructive threads, which may raise red flags if it's a common occurrence.

Perfect grammar can't act as a evidence to say that someone is using AI because before this CgatGPT and all others there are many newbies came to the forum with vast knowledge about cryptos as well as with good communication which depends on their communication skills not related to knowledge.

But the wall of texts with more generic opinions can be a red flag in my opinion.

Or double check with tools like zerogpt [1], I have tried copy-pasting from ai there and it detected well, and rarely what I wrote by myself. I tried couple others, but they even detected my own written content as ai so I discarded them.

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[1] https://www.zerogpt.com

That's actually true, and I've tested a few tools with my own posts. Some showed that there was a possibility that my post was AI-generated; others showed that it is 100% genuine text written by a human; and some others showed that it was 100% AI-generated. That's a huge deviation among the few tools that I used, some of which were completely inaccurate. I've never used AI to write a simple post, even if I wanted to. I'm not that dumb to risk having my account flagged for such a stupid reason. Thank goodness, my English is quite decent, and I'm capable of writing posts myself.

Generally, AI-written posts sound too generic and robotic, and I've also noticed the usage of bullet points is quite common. I don't believe that any older member would resort to using AI just to reach their quota; you'll eventually get caught by more experienced members who'll flag your account. It's mostly newer members who think they can outsmart others and find shortcuts to entering signature campaigns, believing that they won't get caught. Thus, it looks quite suspicious when a newbie posts a detailed thread with perfect English and no other post history.

Those tools are actually not reliable as they have failed so many times. We are yet to have an accurate AI text dictating tool. But apart from using tools, I identify AI posts especially when posted by a newbie whose writing pattern I have not studied. When the grammar is so correct and meaningful, yet coming from a newbie without merits, it's always a red flag.

Op, instead of trying to dictate AI written texts, just avoid using it yourself and others will as well avoid it and we will have a better forum with human understanding.

How can you tell if the OP is babbling, or are you condemning all OP is saying from his point of view? Sometimes earning merit isn't the main thing (and how can you tell that @LMFS was going to give him a merit, you make me laugh though 😅) in this forum is getting the issue at hand cleared, so you have to clear the OP other than making him look small or something like that and remember he's a newbie who's ready to learn and arguments will always flow when it has to do with someone who's ready to learn.
Talking about the AI, some members do abuse it, and the thing is we can't tell the intention of some of us using it, we can't be always perfect.

AI generated post can be known from many clues as you’ve mentioned but I don’t think having not to do mistakes with punctuation marks should be a top priority when suspecting whether a post is AI generated or not. Good punctuation marks also signifies an AI generated post but other things have to come in place before tagging such post as AI generated post.

Users that are not good in English use other online paraphrasing tools to strengthen their words and writing skills. This tools only help to improve your vocabulary writing abilities and their punctuations are very comprehensive with the words they help in paraphrasing for you. (It is legal if they’re your words and not trying to paraphrase someone’s idea without citing them; that will be termed plagiarism and illegal). Users who use such tools can’t be labeled an AI generated post. So good punctuation marks does not signify an AI generated post.

There are some still using AI to post but i want to believe it's common to the newbies, the forum's rules and regulations does not go against it but most of the signature campaigns kicked against such, to me using AI is as if you just plagiarised which is not good enough.


They make use of AI for many reasons personal to them, some it's because they are lazy to learn and read to understand how they can present something on their own, wone feels it's more secure way to hide and do copy and paste than direct plagiarism, some is to physh for merits, some cannot make a good composition except an artificial intelligence bot do that for them.


We cannot clean them up completely because the more we do the more new members are coming to start another, except if the forum go against it.


There's a thread on reputation where you can report any AI post, they ended up being tagged there, but they don't get banned.

There's no other solution for this behavior but to report the post since there's no rules in the forum where you are not allowed to use AI to generate post which is what they will post here in the forum. As far as I know, there are forum members who are trying their best to help us how to determine posts that are generated by AI. If you ever see one, you should report the post and either you contact a DT to tell that a forum user is using AI to post or not.

Had you provided good proof to confirm that your claims are real and not just some paltry babbling, you might have been lucky to earn yourself a merit from @Lmfs. but you are only making false claims that will not lead anywhere.
Although a few members are smart enough to use the AI, believe me, campaign managers always look closely through members posts, and if they see any AI posters, they will remove the person from the campaign. Also, there are some reputable members on the forum that can identify AI content.

When is the time where AI website like ChatGPT became popular? Just so you know, it's on November of last year that it went very popular that it broke records. Administrators here aren't just propose a rule out of nowhere with regards to AI being used here though I will say that I despise, and I hate those users who are using AI websites like ChatGPT, and the like to create more constructive post here, but right now there is no offense or sanctions to users who are using it.

I expect changes though if AI became more popular, and will be used more by users here though I don't how. A negative trust maybe in the future?

Merits, and Money

This is the primary reason why they are use AI. AI creates more constructive posts, and when some users especially high ranked members here saw that post, they have a high chance to get merits, and when they get merits, they increase their rank thus, they can join in a signature campaign where they can make money.

I guess I'll just let the Administrators of the forum address to this problem, and hopefully they will come up with a solution with this one.

You can use AI detective tools but you can smell it without tools. AI contents usually are very long and they use like bullet points, long paragraphs and wording styles are like a cocktail because they use contents from multiple sources.

https://contentdetector.ai/
https://writer.com/ai-content-detector/
https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/
https://x.writefull.com/gpt-detector
https://hivemoderation.com/ai-generated-content-detection
https://paraphrasingtool.ai/ai-content-detector/
https://writer.com/ai-content-detector/
https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector
https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector

There are articles/videos from prominent influencers explaining how to detect and create undetected content using an AI copywriter. nutildah has created a thread on the Reputation board which is meant to find members who are using AI on this forum. Since the forum rules do not have anything on AI generated content. It is advised to report such content to the moderators and then they would decide. Most of them caught on that thread are new age members who might have followed those influencers. After a few years, I do not think that thread will hold any value or those detectors as AI chatbots have already started evolving themselves to write & sound like a human. I read somewhere that the upcoming version of ChatGPT would be more humane than the current version.

I know is some how difficult to get what I said. I never said in anyway that there are no good "lengthy" post like you call it, they are but there are also good and lengthy post that if properly checked the poster made used of an AI to compose that post...
Before you conclude read and get what I'm driving at, I hope you'd be my psychologist 😂😂😂 it would help a lot.

Although there are tools available to help you identify AI-generated writings, sometimes you may tell just by reading a message that it was created with this technology, especially if it was made by a novice user. when a new user who has only recently joined the forum begins posting well-written, well-composed grammar that is beyond the capabilities of new users. These posts are either created by newbies using AI or by an alt account belonging to a user with a higher rank acoount. Although they are aware that it is against the forum rules, no higher rank alt will create such an AI-generated post.

There are several tools used to identify AI text. https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector Is one of them which i feel is efficient enough, it is being used by lovesmayfamilis to report defaulters who post AI generated texts on the forum.

Free tools most of the time online means unreliable though which means that it's not an accurate measure if you want to deter AI usage in this forum, some people use grammar checker like Grammarly to make their grammar almost inhuman. I would take those tools with a grain of salt. Pro tip though, you can ask ChatGPT if they've written those statements but that only works if they use ChatGPT for their posting. To me, detecting AI generated content is difficult because sometimes it's in the way they construct the statements which the AI can copy to make it sound like a human wrote.

Detecting AI posts is complicated because there are several detectors with inconsistent results. Some tools will report that a post is AI generated while another result will show that it was written by a human. This will pose a big challenge to the community making it difficult to come to a consensus about posts. These AI tools are designed to copy humans and every day there are advancements in this technology making it difficult to dictate. The AI technological sector is an emerging market that will mature in the future. We hope to have some trustworthy AI tools that can be precise and accurate in detecting works written by bots.

Manually finding AI posts can be very difficult because some users usually edit the results to give them a human face. At first, I kept suspecting that long posters might be using these tools but it turned out to be wrong. This is because some people like doing long posts. I also began to assume that most well-written and error-free posts might be connected to these tools, but it also turned out to be false. I have also seen members that were wrongly accused of using artificial intelligence to write posts because their post was long, looked generic, and error-free. And when the community investigated it turned out that they were written by humans. The bottom line is that there is no known standard to rate AI-generated posts.

There are some AI detecting tools which can identify the AI created texts by identifying the patterns since AIs use specific templates for most of their outputs but still it is not possible to say whether it is 100% created by human or AI tools. But if someone is blatantly doing it can be identified just by their contents are more generic and doesn't include any personal touch would be good indicator.

You can determine this by comparing the quality of the English language between the posts. If there is a big difference between each post, it is most likely that the user is not the one who makes these posts, and then you can use the free AI tools to confirm your suspicions.

If the posts are paid, you can report it to the campaign manager or board mods and this spam posts will be deleted, but if all his posts seem suspicious, then create a topic about it in reputation board. Continuing this behavior after deleting your posts may lead to a ban.

Some newbies are probably using AI because they didn't realise that it is a bad habit. Some later give up doing it. But I'd say that majority of AI users are owners of big farms of alt accounts. And some of these accounts were signed up years ago, some were hacked. I'd say that in many cases AI usage is not the only suspicious thing which these accounts do.

If you see anyone using AI for posting, share this with others. Best to report this correctly, but even if you're not sure how to report to mods, someone will do it if you'll tell about AI user in a relevant topic.

Perhaps just follow your instinct?

If you see a post and it doesn't sounds like a human did it, then perhaps you might be right. I'm not generalizing everyone, but perhaps majority of newbies might be guilty of doing AI post. But for those who have been here for so long, then I doubt that they will do AI posting. I think newbies might used AI more often, one reason is that they might think that they should post with quality and obviously to get merit as well.

You're getting it wrong. What @lovesmayfamilis wrote is not that difficult to understand. It's simple and well punctuated. Let me help you to explain it further using lay man language. It means that users using AI to post in the forum are currently being tag by DT if found. The tags now serves as a warning to campaign managers that such users are using AI to generate their posts and should not be given chance in their campaigns. Not that the managers receive the tag on behalf of the users using AI. I hope you understand now.

Presently, there's no official rule against the use of AI but the entire Forum frown at it which is a sign that it should not be tolerated. The reason why you are been given brain is to think and offer solution. The AI is another person's ability to think and he brought the idea. Why not use your brain (referring to people using AI) to think of something else too? AI post can be easily identify with the language structure and grammar usage.

I would like to add my 2 cents here that first of all, not all AI detectors are correct. Since the AI detecting sites is increasing, we need to get confluence from one or more sites in order to conclude that the content written is AI-based. Secondly, those who are using AI would be caught sooner or later.


Do you mean that when you see a good lengthy post, you think the author has taken the help of AI in order to write that post and improve the quality of the post
Man, you need to visit a psychologist anytime soon  

Hell no.. I'm not talking nonsense, before you call it nonsense first of all understand what I'm saying... All I'm saying is that  the bonuses given to participants for best post ARE THE REASON WHY SOME USERS GO TO THAT LENGTH OF USING AI TO POST AND TO MAKE IT MORE QUALITY ENOUGH TO GET THAT BONUS at least not all users but SOME
and I never said the campaign managers are idiots I never and will never say such, I respect them for all they're doing is not easy so that's it... At least I now know they have a way of detecting AI post or something like that.


I don't know how to do such @lovesmayfamilis 😂 but it I have my way I'll do it so that we won't have those who find it hard to type what they have in their brain.


Wow... That's a good one, thanks anyways.. but is it suppose to be on the managers? Why those tags ain't suppose to be on the participants who break the rules?🙄

Based on discussion in that thread, I opened a thread in Reputation where anyone can post evidence for references to be included in reports to mods for "AI spam."

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ai-spam-report-reference-thread-5456516

Almost all posts reported in that thread have thus far been deleted, which is nearly 200 posts by now.

I encourage anyone to check the thread if you are suspicious that a poster is using ChatGPT to write their posts for them, then just follow the guidelines presented in the first post to submit your report reference (don't forget to also send the report).

There is no such government to help you fight against the use of AI on the forum. It is we users that can collectively pick out those who auto generate generic posts and spam around the forum.

There is no specific rule against the use of AI, it has been so long since a new rule was included in the forum, but there is a rule against spamming and users who rely on bot posts are usually account farmers, spamming on multiple accounts.
If you find any generic looking post, which does not offer any human thought but beats around generalities, you may likely have reached an AI post.

i think DTs has a good solution about this. @Nutildah is quite adept at detecting AI-generated posts, and he is very dedicated to addressing this. You can help him if you have the ability and time


I'm glad to see you are fine

Don't talk nonsense; there is no way users who get a bonus for creating good posts can create them using the AI tool. In the end, do not consider managers idiots who are not able to understand what a person or a machine writes. In addition, the manager offers a reward for searching for AI posts in his company.

On the other hand, how can you stop the flow of AI posts? First, don't do it yourself. Next, there is a topic where there are several tools with which you can check whether the posts were written with the help of AI or not. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ai-spam-report-reference-thread-5456516

In terms of community attitude, DT is currently tagging some users who abuse AI with a neutral and sometimes negative tag, which serves as a warning to managers.

So far there are no forum integrated tools to detect AI, spambusters have to detect them manually with third party tools which may have dubious results. The thing is, we won't know what kind of activity new users will be doing before they make their first post.
That will be a loophole longer for spammers not to stop trying intensively, plus their ignorance of forum rules.

I just hope before the end of this year such experience would be less because we might see it as a normal thing but I'll call it corruption on this forum and those at the head of the table need to act up as the Government we have here to help us fight against it. Just as @Nwada001 said, those using AI to make a post are lazy and I'm saying is cheating on other members in this great forum, because you want to get more recognition you have to go as far as to cheat, this isn't funny anymore.

With the  experience of my school days, I could sense some reasons why some students cheats either during an exam or quiz time.
It is absolutely because they are not self reliance.

And this discussion has reminded me of a topic I made on the Nigeria (Naija) local board titled  " Bitcoin discussion platform na brain enhancement"
Meaning this platform as a Bitcoin Discussion platform is a mental brainstorming enhancement booster. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62580105
Which if we exercise the intend of this platform, we would be mentally and psychologically buoyant to face our fears and conquer.

Truthfully, there would be no Auto reveal on the use of AI here unless it is extremely obviously otherwise, I would just say on what cost, the uses of AI on this platform is and should be abolished.

So if they can't be stopped which is true then was the drastic decision those at the head of the table would take that would serve as a lesson to the other ones who are involved in it? Too much of talking without action won't move them to stop or even take a break with it.


I'll look into it, and thanks for the link...

Amid of these causes, many accounts are just fake accounts of one or more members. They gain merits to get accepted into the signature campaigns, and then to manage time and make good posts many uses AI and a recent cases of copy writing was caught in which the users were just changing some grammatical terms or i would say they were just rewriting other member's posts and posting them. Which was done by some software of course just to save some time. So that in less time they could make more post which is equal to more money.
we can only report them, i think on weekly basis many cases are being reported or i should increase the time period to Month. Because this month and last month and the month before that. Many members were caught using AI and got banned. So, i think we should not worry about this issue let the moderators and police of BTT should take care of this matter. But Many respected members of this platform has already taken steps to capture those using AI.

• AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report

I also made a post on it but that's in my local board (in local language) so i will not share it.

I don't think they would stop using AI or you can stop them but you can report them immediately to forum mods if you think the post is AI-generated.

If you are looking for a way how to identify and report them we have a thread here on "How To Identify AI and Report Posts".

To farm accounts and earn from signature paying campaigns without effort.

When you see someone using AI to make posts or spam, make a report in the relevant thread and other members will look into it. Some people even get banned if the spamming is too much.

I thought the forum have a rule stating that it shouldn't be used, take a look at how campaign are having these bonus of a thing, I really can't remember the manager but they do give bonus for best post, don't you think most of them do use AI to advance their post?



Lolz, they're not human? I get that question do pop up when you want to login.... but the thing there is that, yes it makes them lazy because they just want to meet up and get those shiny remark but is this the only way to gain merit or what ever they're chasing at? Something needs to be done.

From their post you could tell such person is AI or copy and paste, like if their post are too generic and clear from error maybe when you see someone who writes fluently without having to do mistake in terms of commas and punctuation marks simply shows that the content is AI. Although there are some people who are good with these I mentioned but certainly you must know either from spacing, as human written words are often victim of spacing most at times I does it as well. I might not be the exceptional in punctuation mark, spacing and full stops and the rest but whenever you found all these correctly then you should know is an AI content or copy and paste.

I don't think their is still any rules under the official & unofficial BTT rules that state the use of AI probability, but it's total discourage by members here as, it's being misused in areas which it was not supposed to be used.


Yes, to try to outsmart the forum members by making them think they are smart enough and productive in producing such a quality reply, and at the end they will be rewarded with some merit, this are the things I believe motivate them to do that.


By reporting which ever one we detect under the Report Plagiarism Copy/Paste , as I don't think there is any specific board for AI reports yet. If they get some tags or Tem Ban, I guess they will have to reduce the use of the AI-generated text.

There are many free tools available online to check wether a text was written using AI or not (with high accuracy) like this one.

You can also often detect AI generated content by just reading the text. AI-generated content usually has a lot of repetition of words and phrases and if the subject is a bit technical you can notice irrelevent/innacurate data being thrown around as well.  Although you may have to double check with an AI detector tool to confirm.

The use of AI to make a quality post is a big offense in this Forum and I believe we still have members who are still doing as we speak.
I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.
How can we wash off this ill behavior? Because I know the offenders know it's not good and they know the implications if found doing it. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?