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September 06, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
#90
"Jeff Garzik, listed on the Bitcoin website as part of its development team, told CNN the "consensus among the Bitcoin chattering class appears to be that this is a hoax." He cited an online forum in which many users express that view."

it probably is.

pretty sure it's a hoax, atlas posted this a month ago:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1064381


Oh, hell yeah. I just got cross-posted.
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 10:30:43 PM
#89
"Jeff Garzik, listed on the Bitcoin website as part of its development team, told CNN the "consensus among the Bitcoin chattering class appears to be that this is a hoax." He cited an online forum in which many users express that view."

That doesn't stop anybody from posting rocket pictures though Wink
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 10:29:42 PM
#88
"Jeff Garzik, listed on the Bitcoin website as part of its development team, told CNN the "consensus among the Bitcoin chattering class appears to be that this is a hoax." He cited an online forum in which many users express that view."

it probably is.

pretty sure it's a hoax, atlas posted this a month ago:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1064381
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September 06, 2012, 09:49:00 PM
#87
"Jeff Garzik, listed on the Bitcoin website as part of its development team, told CNN the "consensus among the Bitcoin chattering class appears to be that this is a hoax." He cited an online forum in which many users express that view."
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 05:53:21 PM
#86
Okay guys.

Bitcoin mentioned on CNN TV multiple times.

Also, this article: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/06/politics/romney-tax-threat/index.html

Almost 4000 comments. There are multiple paragraphs on Bitcoin in that article.

Someone start posting those rockets. It's time.



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September 06, 2012, 04:09:35 PM
#85
Okay guys.

Bitcoin mentioned on CNN TV multiple times.

Also, this article: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/06/politics/romney-tax-threat/index.html

Almost 4000 comments. There are multiple paragraphs on Bitcoin in that article.

Someone start posting those rockets. It's time.
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 03:59:22 PM
#84
I think no matter how big the bitcoin economy is it will always represent only 10% of the price the other 90% will always represent speculation. If the bitcoin economy grows to a 1 Billion dollar thing, then price will rise high enoght to allow for speculation to take 90% of the value. The only way this will change is if 100% of the people involved with bitcoin are paid in bitcoin and NEED to spend 90% of each bitcoin pay check to live comfortably. And so what if 90% of the price is pure speculation, 90% of the gold's value is pure speculation, no one cares, its just how it works.
The reason that existing markets are so dominated by speculation is because central banks can print up cheap credit at will to let their friends speculate with.

The ability to do this is severely curtailed with regards to Bitcoin trading.
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September 06, 2012, 03:52:49 PM
#83
If I think about this a bit and unfortunately that is all there is regarding the Bitcoin economy, I think it is overpriced, I would expect to see an economy develop around 1:1 with the USD and when that was stable I would imagine the demand would grow organically.
Right now the exchange rate is 10% driven by commerce and 90% driven by daytraders.

This actually represents a signifigant improvement and it's improving all the time. The ratio needs to invert, though, before bitcoin can really be considered mature enough to be a store of value.

I think no matter how big the bitcoin economy is it will always represent only 10% of the price the other 90% will always represent speculation. If the bitcoin economy grows to a 1 Billion dollar thing, then price will rise high enoght to allow for speculation to take 90% of the value. The only way this will change is if 100% of the people involved with bitcoin are paid in bitcoin and NEED to spend 90% of each bitcoin pay check to live comfortably. And so what if 90% of the price is pure speculation, 90% of the gold's value is pure speculation, no one cares, its just how it works.
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 03:51:18 PM
#82
Right now the exchange rate is 10% driven by commerce and 90% driven by daytraders.

I presume that commerce is largely driven by Silk Road and the likes, and given the other risks in that line of business, they can afford the volatility in the exchange as just a small cost of doing business, they are also largely unaffected by price as customers buy in and they sell our all in a short space of time. 

Thinking about Bitcoin in terms of an "Innovation Adoption Curve" the economy is largely based on the Silk Road innovators and needs to glow more than 10x before the economy can be considered to have momentum.   I think the boom bust market is a good way to distribute BTC so i hope to buy when it hits a new low.
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September 06, 2012, 03:42:06 PM
#81
Overall I see bitcoins as massively underpriced at single digits since it puts the market cap at under 100 million dollars. Of course a large portion of the valuation is based on the future expectations for Bitcoin but that is fine. That is how it is for something like this. The quite-possible-value for bitcoins in 5 years is just so much beyond the 100 million market cap that I seriously laugh out loud when I see bitcoins at $10 viewed as "overpriced". That is funny, really.

Right now the market cap is pretty much 100 million dollars so the value is in a comfortable spot in my mind. Short term price behaviour is a different animal though, I don't specialize in that stuff and I've been wrong about those things many times. Price may go up and it may also go down. I'm much more interested in the long term and I've been spot on about that so far.

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September 06, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
#80
The BitFloor hack has and will be completely written off as business as usual. The previous Bitcoinica hack did nothing either. This type of disaster does not affect the markets anymore. The Pirate thing is extremely overblown but it is a bigger deal than your average Bitcoin hack. Perhaps the reaction to the Pirate stuff won't be so overblown after all, which is very good.

The Romney thing is very big. It's coverage for Bitcoin in many news sites that have basically never had news about Bitcoin. Of course the story itself is probably a hoax etc but it does give Bitcoin a lot of coverage. For something like Bitcoin any press is still overall good since the main issue for Bitcoin is that it's still not well known.

If there are further developments with that story it could potentially get even bigger press for Bitcoin than Silk Road got last year. We'll see though, currently it's getting similar if slightly more than the BitInstant Debit card.
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September 06, 2012, 03:31:39 PM
#79
If I think about this a bit and unfortunately that is all there is regarding the Bitcoin economy, I think it is overpriced, I would expect to see an economy develop around 1:1 with the USD and when that was stable I would imagine the demand would grow organically.
Right now the exchange rate is 10% driven by commerce and 90% driven by daytraders.

This actually represents a signifigant improvement and it's improving all the time. The ratio needs to invert, though, before bitcoin can really be considered mature enough to be a store of value.
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
#78
I only make estimations of expected exchange rates to even powers of 10 because I don't actively trade.

Based on the estimations of the amount of bitcoin-denomimated trade and the assumption that the velocity of bitcoin used for commerce is similar to the velocity in the larger economy I expect the exchange rate to be between $1 and $10 while the amount of annual bitcoin commerce is between $10 million and $100 million.

Likewise if the exchange rate ever reached the $100 and $1000 values that some people are hoping for I would consider it to be a bubble unless the bitcoin economy was supported by $1 billion and $10 billion respectively in annual commerce.

+ 1 for this

If I think about this a bit and unfortunately that is all there is regarding the Bitcoin economy, I think it is overpriced, I would expect to see an economy develop around 1:1 with the USD and when that was stable I would imagine the demand would grow organically.
But even I can't help myself from buying Bitcoin's and pushing up the price.  

I see market manipulation all over - I see somewhat well managed buy and a sell wall in the CAD, USD EU and GBP markets.

I expect even Pirate may be manipulating the market and intending paying back Bitcoin after a bubble, but my money is on a big buying frenzy after the first BTC25 block and a price hike similar to 2011 with somewhat limited demand, and then the dump of the centenary, BTC300,000-1,000,000 dumped on the market early in the new year or over Christmas 2012.

I have by Bids in at $5, but wouldn't be surprises to see it go below $2. this is pure "Speculation"
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September 06, 2012, 11:04:33 AM
#77
What the fuck... Bitfloor got hacked, there are still problems with Pirate, but the price is rising. The market is completely irrational.

Um you mean that both the Bitfloor and Pirate debacles are already priced into the market?  That sounds extremely rational to me.

Bitfloor priced in? Hack only happened yesterday. Unlikely.

Well, yes.  See, since "bitcoin" is essentially synonymous with "online currency the service providers of which will perpetually be subject to thefts from hacking and poor security practices" the market just already knows that some significant percentage of bitcoins will be stolen during any given month, and so, us market participants, always try to price that knowledge in.

Touché ^^
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September 06, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
#76
What the fuck... Bitfloor got hacked, there are still problems with Pirate, but the price is rising. The market is completely irrational.

Um you mean that both the Bitfloor and Pirate debacles are already priced into the market?  That sounds extremely rational to me.

Bitfloor priced in? Hack only happened yesterday. Unlikely.

Well, yes.  See, since "bitcoin" is essentially synonymous with "online currency the service providers of which will perpetually be subject to thefts from hacking and poor security practices" the market just already knows that some significant percentage of bitcoins will be stolen during any given month, and so, us market participants, always try to price that knowledge in.
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September 06, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
#75
What the fuck... Bitfloor got hacked, there are still problems with Pirate, but the price is rising. The market is completely irrational.

Um you mean that both the Bitfloor and Pirate debacles are already priced into the market?  That sounds extremely rational to me.

Bitfloor priced in? Hack only happened yesterday. Unlikely.
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September 06, 2012, 10:26:36 AM
#74
For now the romney event complety overshadows both pirate and bitfloor, we will know in 2-3 days if there is a followup how it is regarded, etc...

Until that has played out the bear market is suspended imo.
what romney event do you have in mind?
EDIT : holy fuck, that thing is ridiculous. i doubt someone will pay. it's too much money for something that probably doesn't exist in the first place. but still, it's a good way to bring attention to bitcoin.
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September 06, 2012, 10:18:54 AM
#73
What the fuck... Bitfloor got hacked, there are still problems with Pirate, but the price is rising. The market is completely irrational.
That's only proving the market is bigger than bitfoor and Pirate
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September 06, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
#72
For now the romney event complety overshadows both pirate and bitfloor, we will know in 2-3 days if there is a followup how it is regarded, etc...

Until that has played out the bear market is suspended imo.
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September 06, 2012, 10:05:46 AM
#71
What the fuck... Bitfloor got hacked, there are still problems with Pirate, but the price is rising. The market is completely irrational.

Um you mean that both the Bitfloor and Pirate debacles are already priced into the market?  That sounds extremely rational to me.
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