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Topic: How do people buy from a 170 Million premined coin? (Read 3966 times)

sr. member
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I am reading about a premine of Gulden at:

"170,000,000 (Used for giveaways! Trustworthy DEVs and good community.)"

and also about how people are currently using Gulden today to buy things.  Are people using
the equivalent Euro or USD amount for Gulden to buy these items? 


The same reason people buy a 72 million premine (ethereum) and a instamined dash scamcoin..... There are greater fools buying what people sell....
100% agree. They will all get burned. But hey guess who doesnt care Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 335
Merit: 250

I am reading about a premine of Gulden at:

"170,000,000 (Used for giveaways! Trustworthy DEVs and good community.)"

and also about how people are currently using Gulden today to buy things.  Are people using
the equivalent Euro or USD amount for Gulden to buy these items? 


The same reason people buy a 72 million premine (ethereum) and a instamined dash scamcoin..... There are greater fools buying what people sell....
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Its the only Dutch crypto on the market, but it looks like a sinking ship to me. Their dev. Team looks weak and they dont have any nee tech what will blow you away. So its not worth it. Dont get burned
newbie
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Since I not allowed anymore to call you guys st**id, I change language a bit. Truth still same!

Dev's only care cashing your BTC! Roadmap in July was included Prime and that strange /\ sign. Was paid with shares in full. 3000 hours 30h a week for 50BTC. Now shares are 600BTC with 160BTC already spent. Prime not even done yet!

You are being scammed!!!

Proof:

Funding page July 2016: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15546420
https://s2.postimg.org/t9mfhmhqx/shares_gulden_com_50btc.jpg
Roadmap July 2016: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15736956
https://s17.postimg.org/tdin4eqz3/roadmap_july_2016.png
Funding page now: https://shares.gulden.com
https://s4.postimg.org/i8bwe7tq5/Shares_gulden_com_600btc.png

So back July the dev's promised work 30h a week for 100 weeks (that is 2 years!) for 50BTC.
Today dev say they spend 160BTC already and they haven't even finished Prime yet!

THINK FOR YOURSELF!



Fact: Dev's sold 50 BTC shares, promised 3000h work. Work include 1.6, Prime and /\.
Fact: Dev's now sold 554 BTC shares, spend 160 BTC, delivered only 1.6.
Fact: This all in plain sight! Still no one dares ask dev's. Why? They get kicked out of circle jerk.
Fact: All communication is censored and under control of leader. BCT Ann: Moderated, Slack: Highly Moderated
Fact: Over 1000 BTC robbed from community by dev. No on dares ask ledger. Dev refuses answer and bans all that ask.
Fact: Blockchain: semi-centralized by checkpoint nodes
newbie
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!

The devs should of waited until btc was over $1000. Sad

What they have done with btc they received is far better then those ICOs that received over 5000 btc and ran away with only doing a photoshop of the roadmap they promised.

This is what has upset the scammers on bitcointalk, if the Gulden developers had run off the funds it would of been the expected thing to do but instead they doing the work that was promised and this is going against the crypto grain. This will piss a lot of scammers and con artists off because they have to come up with more outrages ideas to get noticed and people to buyin to their junk.

It is starting to look obvious to anyone using the Gulden wallets that it's in a class of it's own and this is freaking the financial villians out.

There's nothing on that page ( https://developer.gulden.com/premine ) about why the airdrop was cancelled or how the premine funds are now meted out.

I don't see it either, have you searched the blog?

Responding to myself is a bad habit, ignore my posts.
legendary
Activity: 3136
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!

The devs should of waited until btc was over $1000. Sad

What they have done with btc they received is far better then those ICOs that received over 5000 btc and ran away with only doing a photoshop of the roadmap they promised.

This is what has upset the scammers on bitcointalk, if the Gulden developers had run off the funds it would of been the expected thing to do but instead they doing the work that was promised and this is going against the crypto grain. This will piss a lot of scammers and con artists off because they have to come up with more outrages ideas to get noticed and people to buyin to their junk.

It is starting to look obvious to anyone using the Gulden wallets that it's in a class of it's own and this is freaking the financial villians out.

There's nothing on that page ( https://developer.gulden.com/premine ) about why the airdrop was cancelled or how the premine funds are now meted out.
sr. member
Activity: 458
Merit: 500
Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!

The devs should of waited until btc was over $1000. Sad

What they have done with btc they received is far better then those ICOs that received over 5000 btc and ran away with only doing a photoshop of the roadmap they promised.

This is what has upset the scammers on bitcointalk, if the Gulden developers had run off the funds it would of been the expected thing to do but instead they doing the work that was promised and this is going against the crypto grain. This will piss a lot of scammers and con artists off because they have to come up with more outrages ideas to get noticed and people to buyin to their junk.

It is starting to look obvious to anyone using the Gulden wallets that it's in a class of it's own and this is freaking the financial villians out.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!

The devs should of waited until btc was over $1000. Sad

What they have done with btc they received is far better then those ICOs that received over 5000 btc and ran away with only doing a photoshop of the roadmap they promised.
member
Activity: 188
Merit: 10
Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!

Lets hear some more.
newbie
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.


No details on that page! Dev has 531BTC he got just by promiss to Gulden sheep he cals shares, not even paid out from premine. Also Dev scammed extra 5 million out of premine together with his buddies at nocks, took extra 300BTC with that too! He now is Euro millionaire cause dumb fuckwits believe all dev says without thinking!
sr. member
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

Jesus, you are annoying. Or as annoying as a random bellend on the internet can be. Which is quite annoying.

I'm sure once you've bought at the price you're happy with you'll STFU and GTFO.

All the premine details are laid out on the developer section of the Gulden website here:  https://developer.gulden.com/premine

I'm not sure what extra information you require. Do you think running a successful cryptocurrency requires no investment or costs nothing?

Do you want to see individual receipts? Do you want to see if the Gulden founder includes amortization of his shoe leather when he is going around promoting Gulden?

Let me spell it out for you all AGAIN. The Gulden devs have answered questions about the premine DOZENS OF TIMES. It's all there on the website for anyone to see. It's being used for development and running costs of a very big project.

Some of the premine has been issued as shares:  https://shares.gulden.com/ and there is currently over 500 btc in the pot meaning a very successful future for Gulden no matter what absolute whoppers like you say on here.
member
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

He is a trader, needs to talk the price down to get a better deal before Prime 1 project is released in March. I said the bottom will be around 2k satoshi and this is the collection point for many traders.

40 000 users and 165 btc in buy support. Rich community.
Users not traders, not the sharpest tool in the shed are you mate?

Traders are not going to put all the btc they have into the buy orders. We want to get the lowest prices possible, there is a forced push down of the price on bittrex which will bottom out at about 2000 sat because at 2000 sat I will buy a lot up to dump on the next price rise. Users don't trade and can't influence the price, traders hold all the keys to price and if the devs keep producing traders will make sure to pump the price before each project.
newbie
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I am going to stop trolling the Gulden thread with my multiple shill accounts.
newbie
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?

I agree with the above.
legendary
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?

Obviously you do and Mani the irate developer does too. This is the place to discuss Bitcoin and other cryptos. If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it?
legendary
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Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.

Yes because the website really needs to give a shit about some scrubs on bitcointalk?
legendary
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1116
Why do you have to go digging for the post on some old thread? The current thread is locked, the old thread is scrubbed, and their website says really nothing about it. If nothing else it just looks shady af.
member
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I am reading about a premine of Gulden at:

"170,000,000 (Used for giveaways! Trustworthy DEVs and good community.)"

and also about how people are currently using Gulden today to buy things.  Are people using
the equivalent Euro or USD amount for Gulden to buy these items? 


That is huge amount of pre-mined coins released .Nobody joins this ICO project unless there are some big investors or a very potential project.
I will not invest to ICO project with huge amount of pre-mined coins . That is just only dumps and dumps .
legendary
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Can anyone explain when and why NLG decided to cancel the airdrop and use the 10% premine as dev slushfund? I got into it a bit with their (only?) developer here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17234710
because he called digibyte a scam, and I pointed out that NLG has a much larger premine. After calling me a troll, his response included this:

...
You are obviously a troll with an agenda, and really I don't need to justify myself to you...
Why is Gulden not a scam?
Well quite simple Gulden does not go around making claims that are not true, we do not intentionally try to deceive anyone, we do not make promises we cannot deliver on, we spend large amounts of time actually maintaining our products all of which are regularly updated. We put out new releases at regular intervals, each one improving on the previous one. We do not put out features that we know can't work just because we want to create hype.
We do not do anything dishonest or fraudulent.
...

What exactly is a 10% premine that is currently (several years after launch) around 40% of available supply that was supposed to be distributed to the Dutch citizenry and is now just for whatever Gulden devs feel like if not a claim that wasn't true, a promise that wasn't delivered on, something dishonest if not fraudulent. Honestly, I don't really give two fucks (maybe one), but it's just ridiculous to see this circle-jerk about technical superiority and advanced features when all that is done is bitcoin updates, a diff adjustment algorithm, and a closed source mobile wallet. Boontje komt om zijn loontje.

Disclaimer - I don't own any DGB or NLG.

I need to find the post on the old announcement page but people were trying to claim multiple times on the airdrop and the devs could see the crypto crowd were trying to game the system. This is what was done on all airdrops. They made a sensible decision to rather use the funds to develop the coin. Anyone that invested in 2014 and 2015 until September 2016 has seen the fruits of this and they will continue to see the wise decision made by the developers.

What I find strange besides your bad math (only around 23% of the current supply is the premine) is that you shitting on a project that is actually delivering but you letting all the real scams off the hook. What is your agenda kid?
legendary
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Can anyone explain when and why NLG decided to cancel the airdrop and use the 10% premine as dev slushfund? I got into it a bit with their (only?) developer here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17234710
because he called digibyte a scam, and I pointed out that NLG has a much larger premine. After calling me a troll, his response included this:

...
You are obviously a troll with an agenda, and really I don't need to justify myself to you...
Why is Gulden not a scam?
Well quite simple Gulden does not go around making claims that are not true, we do not intentionally try to deceive anyone, we do not make promises we cannot deliver on, we spend large amounts of time actually maintaining our products all of which are regularly updated. We put out new releases at regular intervals, each one improving on the previous one. We do not put out features that we know can't work just because we want to create hype.
We do not do anything dishonest or fraudulent.
...

What exactly is a 10% premine that is currently (several years after launch) around 40% of available supply that was supposed to be distributed to the Dutch citizenry and is now just for whatever Gulden devs feel like if not a claim that wasn't true, a promise that wasn't delivered on, something dishonest if not fraudulent. Honestly, I don't really give two fucks (maybe one), but it's just ridiculous to see this circle-jerk about technical superiority and advanced features when all that is done is bitcoin updates, a diff adjustment algorithm, and a closed source mobile wallet. Boontje komt om zijn loontje.

Disclaimer - I don't own any DGB or NLG.
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